View Full Version : Does the US support the NK regime?
Blanquist
14th April 2012, 13:35
To justify its presence in Korea and Japan etc?
It seems obvious that NK is ready to open up and offer massive concessions to foreign capital.
rednordman
14th April 2012, 15:08
To justify its presence in Korea and Japan etc?
It seems obvious that NK is ready to open up and offer massive concessions to foreign capital.To most that is a ridiculous assumption, but knowing the USA. I really wouldn't put it past them. After all, there is logic in it. The cold war is over. If NK wasn't still there, what excuse does the US really have?
gorillafuck
14th April 2012, 15:21
obviously not. the US supports South Korea.
It seems obvious that NK is ready to open up and offer massive concessions to foreign capital.when a country works economically with foreign capitalists, it does not mean all foreign capitalist countries support that country.
ACAB
14th April 2012, 16:32
They support state capitalism over workers control, but no doubt they would prefer a Free(market) Korea as they say, as it would open up an even greater pool of labour and further expand hegemony and trade.
piet11111
14th April 2012, 18:55
North Korea is the perfect excuse to put their missile shield in South Korea Japan and Taiwan.
But we all know its primarily directed against China and Russia.
Brosa Luxemburg
14th April 2012, 18:59
No
gorillafuck
14th April 2012, 19:05
They support state capitalism over workers control, but no doubt they would prefer a Free(market) Korea as they say, as it would open up an even greater pool of labour and further expand hegemony and trade.the US has no preference for "state capitalism" over workers control. an enemy is an enemy, when certain ones are held above others it is for strategic purposes.
Anderson
14th April 2012, 19:07
Even if North Korea may not be an good example of socialist experiment, it's very existence is not liked by capitalists who have at back of their mind socialist revolutions in their country;
Is it true that the capitalist powerhouse (USA) plans years ahead?
We socialists are losing as we react agendas set by capitalists and are failing to set our agenda
gorillafuck
14th April 2012, 19:29
North Korea is the perfect excuse to put their missile shield in South Korea Japan and Taiwan.and if North Korea wasn't there, then the US wouldn't be able to come up with an excuse and the US military would be kicked out of Asia?
Sir Comradical
14th April 2012, 22:31
To justify its presence in Korea and Japan etc?
No.
It seems obvious that NK is ready to open up and offer massive concessions to foreign capital.
You're thinking about Cuba. North Korean militarism is a product of their unwillingness to offer massive concessions.
The Intransigent Faction
14th April 2012, 23:16
No
While I agree that they don't actively support North Korea, it seems perfectly logical to say that regime has been a convenient excuse for military activity in the region.
Sure they'd try to come up with some other excuse, but that only goes so far, doesn't it? I think NK is a more effective excuse than if Obama held a press conference tomorrow claiming China torpedoed an American ship in the Gulf of Tonkin.
eyeheartlenin
14th April 2012, 23:48
What is striking to me is the US' eagerness to negotiate with the "People's Democratic Republic," i.e., NK, the land ruled by the Kim dynasty; the deciding factor in that US stance is the North Korean possession of at least a few nukes. Which means that Third World countries, if they want to be safe from US attack, simply have to get nukes, one way or t'other. Obviously, the peculiar foreign policy of the US really encourages nuclear proliferation, so that's another reason that we are the world's misfortune.
Blanquist
15th April 2012, 08:00
What is striking to me is the US' eagerness to negotiate with the "People's Democratic Republic," i.e., NK
its the other way around mate.
Imposter Marxist
16th April 2012, 03:28
They're allies, yes, as are all capitalist countries. The US, Cuba, China, North Korea, South Korea, Iran, it doesn't matter. All capitalists are one in the same. State or otherwise
gorillafuck
16th April 2012, 04:08
They're allies, yes, as are all capitalist countries.do you consider Germany and America to have been allies in the year 1943?
Agathor
16th April 2012, 04:23
What is striking to me is the US' eagerness to negotiate with the "People's Democratic Republic," i.e., NK, the land ruled by the Kim dynasty; the deciding factor in that US stance is the North Korean possession of at least a few nukes. Which means that Third World countries, if they want to be safe from US attack, simply have to get nukes, one way or t'other. Obviously, the peculiar foreign policy of the US really encourages nuclear proliferation, so that's another reason that we are the world's misfortune.
I don't think so. North Korea is outside America's sphere of influence. They see them as a nuisance.
scarletghoul
16th April 2012, 04:47
They dont support them this is why they are uhh constantly prepared for a war with them. its not that complicated.
as for using dprk to justify military bases in the region well yes thats true but they could easily find another excuse (China or Russia especially ,, in other words the actual reasons for the military presence . north korea is simply the front line)
piet11111
16th April 2012, 06:04
and if North Korea wasn't there, then the US wouldn't be able to come up with an excuse and the US military would be kicked out of Asia?
Having a nuclear armed country that launches missiles while under heavy sanctions makes things a hell of a lot easier.
Otherwise Taiwan would most likely be the only one that cooperates due to the limited threat of Chinese invasion.
Blanquist
16th April 2012, 08:34
So why has the US been pumping NK with so much aid over the last 15 years?
They starved Iraq throughout the 90's but pump NK with aid.
ColonelCossack
16th April 2012, 13:20
and if North Korea wasn't there, then the US wouldn't be able to come up with an excuse and the US military would be kicked out of Asia?
I don't really agree. They have military bases in places nowhere near countries they are hostile to. For instance, the US has air bases here in the UK still (I think), even though there's not really any threat to them in Western Europe, and they're pressured to justify that.
gorillafuck
16th April 2012, 23:08
I don't really agree. They have military bases in places nowhere near countries they are hostile to. For instance, the US has air bases here in the UK still (I think), even though there's not really any threat to them in Western Europe, and they're pressured to justify that.reread what I wrote.
Imposter Marxist
17th April 2012, 00:37
do you consider Germany and America to have been allies in the year 1943?
Well, no Germany was socialism with german characteristics, however, it was a fascist state capitalist dictatorship. it was an inter-imperialist war to defeat real socialism
Pretty Flaco
17th April 2012, 01:01
They're allies, yes, as are all capitalist countries. The US, Cuba, China, North Korea, South Korea, Iran, it doesn't matter. All capitalists are one in the same. State or otherwise
could you support that statement?
gorillafuck
17th April 2012, 01:06
Well, no Germany was socialism with german characteristicsalrighty then.
L.A.P.
17th April 2012, 01:21
well, no germany was socialism with german characteristics, however, it was a fascist state capitalist dictatorship. It was an inter-imperialist war to defeat real socialism
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Althusser
17th April 2012, 01:34
yes
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