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The Jay
13th April 2012, 20:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTk09H6vdYY&list=FL1-3GZ-EG4UvcGGfhIVZ7Pw&index=2&feature=plpp_video
This makes a lot of sense to me and is similar to how I thought things should be. Is this a good example of Council Communism?
Railyon
13th April 2012, 20:20
Only managed to watch the first three minutes as I'm one foot out the door, but it does sound like what I imagine council communism to work like, and what is actually propagated by anarchists (at least those groups I know of /am part of).
Tim Cornelis
13th April 2012, 20:28
The guy in the video writes for the Democratic Socialists of America, who are on the one hand social democrats but also have anticapitalist elements, and is associated with participatory economics.
Brosa Luxemburg
13th April 2012, 20:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTk09H6vdYY&list=FL1-3GZ-EG4UvcGGfhIVZ7Pw&index=2&feature=plpp_video
This makes a lot of sense to me and is similar to how I thought things should be. Is this a good example of Council Communism?
It is pretty much the council-oriented system that we (I say we because I am a council communist) would aim to bring about in a post-revolutionary society before reaching the end of socialism. It seems, though, that this organizational view could be aimed for by Marxist-DeLeonists, other left communists, anarchists, etc. Council communists don't have a monopoly over this organizational idea.
Grenzer
16th April 2012, 15:02
It is pretty much the council-oriented system that we (I say we because I am a council communist) would aim to bring about in a post-revolutionary society before reaching the end of socialism. It seems, though, that this organizational view could be aimed for by Marxist-DeLeonists, other left communists, anarchists, etc. Council communists don't have a monopoly over this organizational idea.
Not really.
De Leonists are more about organization along industrial lines(i.e. syndicalism). While it is similar in some ways, it's not really quite the same.
Alf
16th April 2012, 16:29
It comes across more as a 'model' without any class content: an alternative constitution, focusing on how decisions should be made in an abstract way without dealing with the content of the movement which needs mass assemblies and councils to make the revolution and destroy the capitalist state. Council communism was born as part of a revolutionary workers' movement. This looks more like the radical wing of present day 'democracy'.
Mr. Natural
16th April 2012, 16:40
Liquidstate, Others, Thanks for the video. The "nested councils" advocated are the general form I see a successful revolutionary process taking and such grassroots councils mimic life's bottom-up organization. Life's systems are grassroots-grounded, and form the necessary higher levels of organization as complexity increases.
Interesting that Anti-Capitalist affirms this "nested council" approach is similar to council communism, of which I know little. Give me and others a rundown sometime, Anti-Capitalist. How about our little "left unity" group?
Are any other comrades working with "nested councils," council communism, or other similar organizational processes?
My red-green best.
ForgedConscience
17th April 2012, 00:29
I also only watched about half the vid as I'm about to go to sleep. I like the idea of this system, but couldn't it become a little... inefficient? There are so many different levels and steps in the voting process. Or perhaps I'm just misunderstanding it.
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