How do we eliminate child porn?

[arilando]

So How do we eliminate child porn? Or is that an impossible objective?

[NewLeft]

So How do we eliminate child porn? Or is that an impossible objective?
I am not sure if we can eliminate it, that's not our objective. We want to eliminate the root cause of what forces people into it: wage labour.

[The Jay]

You can't prevent it 100% but you can prosecute the offenders very very harshly, as I support doing. It should be on the level of forcefully raping a child in my opinion.

[Railyon]

I am not sure if we can eliminate it, that's not our objective. We want to eliminate the root cause of what forces people into it: wage labour.

Raises the question of whether it's made for economic reasons (among others). Is it? I don't know. Can imagine it to be a factor I kind of doubt it is the main motivator.

[dodger]

So How do we eliminate child porn? Or is that an impossible objective?

Stop buying it.

[NewLeft]

Raises the question of whether it's made for economic reasons (among others). Is it? I don't know. Can imagine it to be a factor I kind of doubt it is the main motivator.
Of course it's made for profit. I've asked this question before: How can a child ever consent?

[Bronco]

Well paedophilia is a mental illness so eliminating wage labour doesn't necessarily mean you eliminate the demand for child porn.. I know the suggestion has been raised of allowing it to be made through CGI or other means, so that children wouldn't actually be involved. That is understandably controversial though.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

What would help children to prevent victimization would be mass education about what is not appropriate to do with an adult (some adults trick children into doing sexual acts on camera), how to report sexual abuse and innappropriate behavior when possible, and other ways on how to avoid abuse and/or abduction. With adults, it is a completely different issue. Punishment mixed with forced rehabilitation (depending on the circumstances) would be the answer. Longer prison sentences for chronic viewers and possible executions for the people who constantly abuse children by taking the actual videos. Yes, execution. Deal with it.

EDIT: In socialism, the distribution of child pornography will be much harder and much more riskier. The state will have an absolute monopoly on the Internet, one of the main means of distribution for child pornography. Also, the state will have to invest more time and forces to the protection of children. Child protective services in capitalist nations do not really work that well.

[Railyon]

Of course it's made for profit. I've asked this question before: How can a child ever consent?

Well, of course it begs the question of whether someone would distribute it if there were no "returns" so to speak (I think in that respect you're right), but given the topic I am not too sure if people don't make the stuff because of their paraphilia and distribute it because they think they can get away with it. Then again I don't know how all this works.

[NewLeft]

Well paedophilia is a mental illness so eliminating wage labour doesn't necessarily mean you eliminate the demand for child porn.. I know the suggestion has been raised of allowing it to be made through CGI or other means, so that children wouldn't actually be involved. That is understandably controversial though.
What is the issue with child porn? The fact that children are exploited or the fact that children are in it? Demand is artificially created by its existence.

[Bronco]

What is the issue with child porn? The fact that children are exploited or the fact that children are in it? Demand is artificially created by its existence.

Well both, but surely as long as there are paedophiles there will be a demand for child porn? Supply isn't a prerequisite, and the only cause of, demand

[Tim Cornelis]

Child porn and pedophilic networks usually operate on a quid pro quo basis. You only get access to the network of child pornography if you supply it. Therefore eliminating money and the profit motive will not eliminate child pornography.

At best, it will remove large criminal non-pedophilic syndicates who facilitate the trade in child pornography.

[Revolutionair]

I think tolerating pedophiles as people is a large part of the solution. It is something that pedophiles have no control over, we should accept them as who they are and we should try to treat their illness.

There was just a recent case of a Dutch pedophile who tried to seek help because he feared that he could no longer control himself, but was unable to obtain it. He said "pedophelia is my curse" "I have never asked for this". I would guess most pedophiles know that they are ill and recognize it.

Naar eigen zeggen moest hij “24 uur per dag, 7 dagen per week” zijn “eigen bewaker” zijn.

His own account is that he had to be "his own guard" for "24 hours a day, 7 days a week".
http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/binnenland/2012/03/robert-m-pedofilie-is-mijn-vloek

The question should be: how can we best treat their illness so we don't risk child abuse?

[Rafiq]

Abolish the Bourgrois family structure, strong state influence in affairs of Child, etc.

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[arilando]

What would help children to prevent victimization would be the mass education about what is not appropriate to do with an adult (some adults trick children into doing sexual acts on camera), how to report sexual abuse and innappropriate behavior when possible, and how to avoid abuse and/or abduction. With adults, it is a completely different issue. Punishment mixed with forced rehabilitation (depending on the circumstances) would be the answer. Longer prison sentences for chronic viewers and possible executions for the people who constantly abuse children by taking the actual videos. Yes, execution. Deal with it.

EDIT: In socialism, the distribution of child pornography will be much harder and mcuh more riskier. The state will have an absolute monopoly on the Internet, one of the main means of distribution for child pornography.
I sure hope people like you wont successfully implement a revolution, that would surely make the world into an authoritarian hellhole.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Yes, execution. Deal with it.

EDIT: In socialism, the distribution of child pornography will be much harder and mcuh more riskier. The state will have an absolute monopoly on the Internet, one of the main means of distribution for child pornography.

I say, the only executions should be of scum pig-lovers and murderous blood-thirsty ignoramuses such as yourself.

[La Comédie Noire]

Treat Pedophilia like an illness while understanding they are dangerous to children.

We can't prevent child pornography entirely, but with education and treatment we can make it almost none existent.

[marl]

Lolicon helps

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I sure hope people like you wont successfully implement a revolution, that would surely make the world into an authoritarian hellhole.

I will sure like to make the world a painful hellhole for despicable criminals, especially those who would be willing to destroy the lives of innocent children just for their own profit. I would like to even go to their executions. That would be a joy.

Anyways, to be more clear, the people I would be willing to execute would only be adults (teenagers taking naked pictures of other teenagers does not even warrant one year in prison in most cases) who have made the sexual videotaping of children their career and have done it over and over again. Yes, those people should have lives be made into a living hell for them, if not taken away from them altogether. Perhaps execution would not even be harsh enough. What about life-term prison sentences in the worst prisons imaginable? That is actually also a good idea. No, execution is more harsh.

[La Comédie Noire]

Anyways, to be more clear, the people I would be willing to execute would only be adults (teenagers taking naked pictures of other teenagers does not even warrant one year in prison in most cases) who have made the sexual videotaping of children their career and have done it over and over again. Yes, those people should have lives be made into a living hell for them, if not taken away from them altogether. Perhaps execution would not even be harsh enough. What about life-term prison sentences in the worst prisons imaginable? That is actually also a good idea. No, execution is more harsh.

Making a living hell takes so much work and bureaucracy though. Not to mention it diminishes the lives of jailed and jailer alike and may not even prevent the actions you are seeking to punish.

As much as this is an emotionally charged issue and as much as we'd like retribution against those who would hurt children we can't allow ourselves to become impractical.

[Railyon]

Lolicon helps

That's certainly one way to out yourself, marl. ;)

Moral indignation once people find out what it is in 3...2...1...

I also think it's a safe and non-exploitative alternative but then again you'll have those who say it'll propagate child abuse so I dunno really.

[Threetune]

"A is for alienation, it made me the man that I am"

[marl]

That's certainly one way to out yourself, marl. ;)

Moral indignation once people find out what it is in 3...2...1...

I also think it's a safe and non-exploitative alternative but then again you'll have those who say it'll propagate child abuse so I dunno really.

Legalization of possession of cheese pizza and or lolicon has lead to a decline in child abuse in several cases.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I will sure like to make the world a painful hellhole for despicable criminals, especially those who would be willing to destroy the lives of innocent children just for their own profit. I would like to even go to their executions. That would be a joy.

Anyways, to be more clear, the people I would be willing to execute would only be adults (teenagers taking naked pictures of other teenagers does not even warrant one year in prison in most cases) who have made the sexual videotaping of children their career and have done it over and over again. Yes, those people should have lives be made into a living hell for them, if not taken away from them altogether. Perhaps execution would not even be harsh enough. What about life-term prison sentences in the worst prisons imaginable? That is actually also a good idea. No, execution is more harsh.

You're making nothing better. You're still scum. I think we should make the lives of people like you living hell. Why? Because you are deranged, you are murderous, and in no way do you help the situation of either paedophiles or children abused by them, you only cry for blood to satisfy your own demented desire.

There's no reason for none of your absurd shit; there should be absolutely no punishment for the sake thereof. Where necessary a person committing abuses might need to be removed from society and deprived of free living for their own and others sake, but to ramble on about how dreadful you want their lives to be is merely a reflection of your own sickness.

A black-market for exchange of forbidden material in general will exist as long as there is a short supply and as long as a monetary exchange persists (which, considering your messed up views, will probably be indefinitely!). Of course you'd like to go to their executions. I'd like to go to your execution. Tables turned, all the merrier. No, sorry, executions of the mentally deranged is just as wrong.

Children should not be raised by individuals with exclusive authority and influence on their own, and this would do some to decrease the amount of abuse taking place. The abolishment of the family would eliminate a majority of sexual abuse of children. This is therefore a productive and useful proposal, whereas your blood-thirsty ramblings are pointless and frankly downright reactionary.

[Railyon]

Legalization of [...] lolicon has lead to a decline in child abuse in several cases.

I thought most countries legislate the opposite way, banning shit all over the place? The only place I know where it's 100% legal is its country of origin, everywhere else it's a grey area at best.

[marl]

Let's make the lives of no one hell.

Except fascist leaders and the worst of capitalists.


I thought most countries legislate the opposite way, banning shit all over the place? The only place I know where it's 100% legal is its country of origin, everywhere else it's a grey area at best.

http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/11/30/legalizing.child.pornography.linked.lower.rates.ch ild.sex.abuse

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I thought most countries legislate the opposite way, banning shit all over the place? The only place I know where it's 100% legal is its country of origin, everywhere else it's a grey area at best.

There have been numerous attempts and ongoing ones to outlaw in Japan too, but like always, merely the result of impotent moralism.

[Railyon]

There have been numerous attempts and ongoing ones to outlaw in Japan too, but like always, merely the result of impotent moralism.

Oh right, I remember now. Memory is a bit fuzzy on their successes though, wasn't the sale of something outlawed in the Tokyo region? Wasn't pornography though if I remember correctly...

Also, nice to see who of us is going straight to the gulag for being perverts.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I say, the only executions should be of scum pig-lovers and murderous blood-thirsty ignoramuses such as yourself.

I say, the only executions should be of violent criminals, sexual criminals and counterrevolutionaries (I could have easily said that the only executions should be of stupid, criminal-hugging ultra-leftists such as yourself, but I am not an asshole like you).

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I say, the only executions should be of violent criminals, sexual criminals and counterrevolutionaries (I could have easily said that the only executions should be of stupid, criminal-hugging ultra-leftists such as yourself, but I am not an asshole like you).

Yeah, you are an arsehole yourself. Boo-hoo. Frankly, it's an attempt to make you see how disgusting your views are, but I can see how it would be lost on a reactionary such as yourself.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I think we should make the lives of people like you living hell.


you only cry for blood to satisfy your own demented desire.

I think that you cry to satisfy your own demented desire of silencing anyone with a brain and some logic.

[Luc]

Op I recomend you search the previous threads on pedophilia as there were some good post particuarily by the admin Psycho (irrc) he had some posts with links and made important notes we should all consider when thinking about this topic. Could check his post history to find those or just look for the thread.

[Threetune]

"A is for alienation, it made me the man that I am"

I Quoted the song “A is for alienation, it made me the man that I am” because either, a) I was just wasting my time, or b) that is the condition of all people in capitalism without exception under capitalist culture, with all their proclivities, some of which will need to be managed sensibly by their neighbours and friends in a communist community, don’t you think.

[arilando]

I thought most countries legislate the opposite way, banning shit all over the place? The only place I know where it's 100% legal is its country of origin, everywhere else it's a grey area at best.
Well i know that it's completely legal in Denmark, where i live. So what your saying is not entirely true.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I think that you cry to satisfy your own demented desire of silencing anyone with a brain and some logic.

There's brain and logic behind your desire for murder? Oh, do enlighten me wherein the situation this resides.

[arilando]

Oh right, I remember now. Memory is a bit fuzzy on their successes though, wasn't the sale of something outlawed in the Tokyo region? Wasn't pornography though if I remember correctly...

Also, nice to see who of us is going straight to the gulag for being perverts.
They outlawed the sale of minors used panties.

[Railyon]

Well i know that it's completely legal in Denmark, where i live. So what your saying is not entirely true.

Yeah well, I'm not omniscient. Isn't bestiality also legal in Denmark?

I highly doubt you wouldn't have a lynch mob at your doorstep if you ever came out of the closet with that, most possessors of lolicon fly under the radar of the law anyway (expect some particularly unlucky/stupid people that were either grassed on or hid their stuff in plain daylight)

US and UK are crusading against it though, and guess who the Japanese have to thank for their crap censorship laws lol. Hegemony, my friend. :|

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

There's brain and logic behind your desire for murder? Oh, do enlighten me wherein the situation this resides.

Capital punishment decided through the process of law as a punishment for a heinous crime is not murder, you asshole. My logic does not need to be explained to someone who will not even listen.

[Railyon]

They outlawed the sale of minors used panties.

lol, hilarious.

I was referring to this though:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/16/world/la-fg-japan-sex-books-20101216

AFAIK that didn't apply to 18+ stuff though as it is unavailable to minors anyway, just sexually suggestive stuff in regular manga.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Capital punishment decided through the process of law as a punishment for a heinous crime is not murder, you asshole. My logic does not need to be explained to someone who will not even listen.

Of course it's murder. You kill someone, it's murder. Murder by the state. What else is it? Expedited termination of life or some silly re-writing? Euthanasia? And yes, there are a few situations where sometimes such is unavoidable and necessary - think a chaotic revolution, and sure, some blood can very well be shed. Still, this is of course not an excuse for murder in an totally unjustified situation.

Your fetish for the law, of course, is little surprising, given your tremendous affection for the ones that uphold it, as it were.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

I say, the only executions should be of violent criminals, sexual criminals and counterrevolutionaries (I could have easily said that the only executions should be of stupid, criminal-hugging ultra-leftists such as yourself, but I am not an asshole like you).

I would give everyone milk and cookies; but if they dip, they die. It's counter-revolutionary activity in disguise, what else can I do?

[arilando]

Yeah well, I'm not omniscient. Isn't bestiality also legal in Denmark?
It is, as long as the animal is not physically damaged.


I highly doubt you wouldn't have a lynch mob at your doorstep if you ever came out of the closet with that, most possessors of lolicon fly under the radar of the law anyway (expect some particularly unlucky/stupid people that were either grassed on or hid their stuff in plain daylight)
Well i know that a museum a while ago held an exhibition showing japanese lolicon art in response to a bill proposed that would illegalize virtual child porn such as lolicon (through it did't pass) and that did't really draw any angry lynch mob or even just angry remarks.


US and UK are crusading against it though, and guess who the Japanese have to thank for their crap censorship laws lol. Hegemony, my friend. :|
What kind of censorship laws do they have in Japan?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

What kind of censorship laws do they have in Japan?

U.S. post-war occupation government enforced strong censorship legislation of pornographic material that lingers to this day (all pornography for domestic consumption is required to pixelate genitals, etc).

[arilando]

U.S. post-war occupation government enforced strong censorship legislation of pornographic material that lingers to this day (all pornography for domestic consumption is required to pixelate genitals, etc).
Did't they also have this before the occupation through?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Your fetish for the law, of course, is little surprising, given your tremendous affection for the ones that uphold it, as it were.

I have a fetish for law just because I want it to exist? No. You should also know that I support socialist law much more than I support capitalist law, even though even under capitalism, any law is still better than no law. Also, I do not love the cops just because I do not believe in all that ACAB bullshit. They are undoubtedly a tool that allows the bourgeois class to stay in power and uphold the current capitalist system, but I do not have my ass shoved up my head to be generalizing and acting like a fucking 5 year old by saying, "ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS! ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS!"

[00001]

(teenagers taking naked pictures of other teenagers does not even warrant one year in prison in most cases)

This was my favorite part :lol:

[00001]

Two teenagers taking nude pictures of each other is a heinous crime, IMHO.

[arilando]

This was my favorite part :lol:
LOL Comrade Commistar why the fuck are you thanking his post, you realize that he thinks your post is ridiculous right?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

LOL Comrade Commistar why the fuck are you thanking his post, you realize that he thinks your post is ridiculous right?

I don't care. That part was pretty funny. I really do not know how much a teenager should get punished for ruining some others teenager's life, so I just guessed. Oh well.

[Tenka]

I don't care. That part was pretty funny. I really do not know how much a teenager should get punished for ruining some others teenager's life, so I just guessed. Oh well.

Well one year in prison is hardly appropriate punishment. A few minutes on the rack per day, over a ten-month period, should teach them a lesson and discourage other teens from taking pictures of other teens that they don't want taken.

P.S. r u serious

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Well one year in prison is hardly appropriate punishment. A few minutes on the rack per day, over a ten-month period, should teach them a lesson and discourage other teens from taking pictures of other teens that they don't want taken.

P.S. r u serious

I care not to talk to you unless you have something to add to the conversation other than, "You are crazy! Don't touch my criminals! Are you serious, my brain cannot understand how law and punishment work!" Do you have anything intellectual to add? Why not answer this question: What do you think we should do to serial killers once they are arrested (as punishment)? If you go beyond the arresting part of the story, I would be proud of you, because you are one of those ACAB crazies and I can expect that you do not want that serial killer to get arrested by those bastards. Also, why is capital punishment, particularly under socialism, bad? And try not to just say, "BECAUSE IT IS MURDER! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

[Tenka]

I care not to talk to you unless you have something to add to the conversation other than, "You are crazy! Don't touch my criminals! Are you serious, my brain cannot how law and punishment work!" Do you have anything intellectual to add? Why not answer this question: What do you think we should do to serial killers once they are arrested (as punishment)?

Punishment is reactionary, comrade. I was thinking that under Socialism, we'd make real the Bourgeois lie of "rehabilitation".

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I care not to talk to you unless you have something to add to the conversation other than, "You are crazy! Don't touch my criminals! Are you serious, my brain cannot how law and punishment work!" Do you have anything intellectual to add? Why not answer this question: What do you think we should do to serial killers once they are arrested (as punishment)? If you go beyond the arresting part of the story, I would be proud of you, because you are one of those ACAB crazies and I can expect that you do not want that serial killer to get arrested by those bastards. Also, why is capital punishment, particularly under socialism, bad? And try not to just say, "BECAUSE IT IS MURDER! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

You're a fucking genius. :laugh:

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

You're a fucking genius. :laugh:

Yeah, I was talking to you.

[Revolutionair]

I care not to talk to you unless you have something to add to the conversation other than, "You are crazy! Don't touch my criminals! Are you serious, my brain cannot how law and punishment work!" Do you have anything intellectual to add? Why not answer this question: What do you think we should do to serial killers once they are arrested (as punishment)?

Read what I wrote on the first page. I don't have the numbers on this, but from what I can gather, pedophiles do recognize their illness. Treatment is possible, treatment is key.

This is by far more than anything you have contributed to the thread. Let it be known that your revolution is nothing more than a fascist coupe with a red flag. The worker partisans will fight you if you don't 'euthanize them in a friendly manner' first.

[dodger]

I sure hope people like you wont successfully implement a revolution, that would surely make the world into an authoritarian hellhole.

Well we see the effect of a one man lynch mob!

Number of children saved. nil

A rational debate to bring us closer to solving , what is quite a simple dilemma
Not one inch forward.

[vox]

I haven't read every response here, but I do take issue with the question itself, as I do not believe there is such a thing as "child porn." Rather, there are only documents of horrible rape.

Children, by definition, can NOT consent to sexual activity. Even Freud talked about a latency period.

While an economic motive can certainly exist, it relies upon sexual deviancy to support it. Indeed, only the worst, most reprehensible motives can support the capital investment in such a crime. This has little, if anything, to do with capitalism in general.

It is only when a society sees children as a commodity (sexual or otherwise) that we need to challenge it as Leftists. In any other case, we only need to challenge it as abhorrent to any moral code among advanced civilizations. (And yeah, that is a shot against the pomos.)

[dodger]

Can we speak of PAEDOPHILIA AS A MENTAL ILLNESS IF THERE IS NO TREATMENT?
Protection of children is te mark of a civilized cohesive society. Police methods along with a vigilant approach by all professionals who have dealings with children, police checks. As with any person who has dealings with children or vulnerable adults. It is clear to me that liberty for those deemed paedophiles needs a sober assessment. Hard choices.For society and the paedophile. The child porn could with police sting operations co-operation between countries be drastically reduced. Drastic sentencing along with rewards for fingering criminals point the way. Institutions which might harbour corruption need to be hounded.

A child in next village died. We think septaecemia, she was never medically examined. Parents were too poor. They had sold the girl to a man who used a vibrator that was cracked with shards exposed, whether intentional, I don't know. It evidently tore the inside of her anus and vagina. No police blotter. The child buried and the man returned to Australia. The film is no doubt available.......her short time on the planet mercifully at an end. Others it just goes on....food for the family ...a drug habit to be maintained...rum...gambling....just old fashioned greed even. A look at Passports might be sensible.

[kashkin]

How do we know that paedophilia is not treatable? Someone said earlier that many paedophiles don't recognise it, but that doesn't mean we can't treat it.

[dodger]

How do we know that paedophilia is not treatable? Someone said earlier that many paedophiles don't recognise it, but that doesn't mean we can't treat it.

Dear kashkin there are innumerable illnesses which cannot be either treated or cured. Psychopaths are not deemed to be mentally ill. By all means scour the planet for best practice...nothing promising it seems Lock and key then!

[kashkin]

So some people are just irredeemable?

[honest john's firing squad]

How do we eliminate child porn?
By eliminating children.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

By eliminating children.

Haha, so funny. I guess what you are trying to get at is that pedophilia is naturally going to happen no matter what and the only really way to get rid of it absolutely is by getting rid of children. Yeah, because it's the kids' fault.

[honest john's firing squad]

Haha, so funny. I guess what you are trying to get at is that pedophilia is naturally going to happen no matter what and the only really way to get rid of it absolutely is by getting rid of children. Yeah, because it's the kids' fault.
it's p. cute that you thought there was any serious message behind that post.

do you always take things so seriously or is that just how far the rod is jammed up there?

[honest john's firing squad]

In regards to giving my actual position however, I'd much rather wait until extensive research is undertaken in relation to any connection between paedophiles and their socioeconomic circumstances. For the meantime, mental rehabilitation seems to be the best course of action rather than shooting them because that's fucking stupid.

[dodger]

So some people are just irredeemable?

Sadly it is often the case, though ever the optimist. Hope for the best prepare for the worst. Certainly it will take a collective effort on behalf of us all to even phrase the right questions...before we can look to answers.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

"Socialism might change the society's problems, but it won't change human problems" Karl Marx.

Executing people and hoping the neighbor won't do what his urge is, is very right wing and idiotic. We should take Marx's quote to heart and know that we aren't here to build a "New Man", but to build a better society, we aren't here to change humanity with all its flaws. Having complete state control over every means, is a subjugation of perfectness to humanity. But we aren't perfect and can only do so much as to change the societies' organisation to the expansion of self-determination and freedom.

[00001]

kill errbody

[Small Geezer]

The first step is to take every measure to protect children from paedophilia and being forced into child pornography.

You'd think that would be in the first few posts, but unfortunately on revleft there are people who fall over themselves in order to be seen to be as 'liberal' as possible. Even if it makes protecting children a material unreality.

[Robocommie]

Attack the problem on every front, simultaneously. Continue to prosecute child pornographers in whatever way deemed most effective*, continue to eradicate the supply by attacking the distribution both online and off. Work to eliminate the social conditions which encourages the kind of abusive environment that allows this to happen in the first place.

That's the sensible, practical approach, if you're not some kind of ridiculous ultra-leftist who thinks that "wage labor" alone causes every problem from pedophilia to bad hairstyles.

*Most effective, not merely harshest

[Robocommie]

Yeah, I was talking to you.

Bro, you're on a discussion forum.

[Robocommie]

Bottom line is, there's a sensible line of action that fits in between the extreme of "pedophilia is an illness and it's victims should be tolerated and seen with compassion even though they rape kids" and then the other extreme, which is "aha, a social problem I cannot easily fix, solve it with bullets!"

[arilando]

Bottom line is, there's a sensible line of action that fits in between the extreme of "pedophilia is an illness and it's victims should be tolerated and seen with compassion even though they rape kids" and then the other extreme, which is "aha, a social problem I cannot easily fix, solve it with bullets!"
Most pedophile dont have sex with children.

[Revolutionair]

How do we know that paedophilia is not treatable? Someone said earlier that many paedophiles don't recognise it, but that doesn't mean we can't treat it.

Please read my post on the first page then. It's a pedophile saying that he knew that he had an illness and looked for treatment, which he was denied. He wanted medicine that would reduce his urge for sex.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Bro, you're on a discussion forum.

I addressed the wrong person, so I had to tell that certain other person I was talking to him/her.

It is funny because my call for execution was pretty anti-materialist because it was based on an abstract concept of law and retribution (I have another reason I really do not want to tell you guys because some of you ultra-leftists might explode), but so was that certain user's constant whining about "murder". Same emotionalism; the only difference was appeal to ultra-leftists.

[Robocommie]

Most pedophile dont have sex with children.

Then they're clearly not a problem to society. The ones who do, are.

What's the point of this statement? Are you going to advocate against discrimination towards pedophiles or something?

[arilando]

Then they're clearly not a problem to society. The ones who do, are.

What's the point of this statement? Are you going to advocate against discrimination towards pedophiles or something?
I prefer accurate terminology, such as not equating pedophiles with child molesters, over non accurate terminology. You're also mischaracterising the positions of those who are proponants of what you call an extreme position.

[Revolutionair]

I addressed the wrong person, so I had to tell that certain other person I was talking to him/her.

It is funny because my call for execution was pretty anti-materialist because it was based on an abstract concept of law and retribution (I have another reason I really do not want to tell you guys because some of you ultra-leftists might explode), but so was that certain user's constant whining about "murder". Same emotionalism; the only difference was appeal to ultra-leftists.

No you were just talking bullshit, nothing more, nothing less.

[kashkin]

kill errbody
Yep, no society, no problem :)


Please read my post on the first page then. It's a pedophile saying that he knew that he had an illness and looked for treatment, which he was denied. He wanted medicine that would reduce his urge for sex.
Then we need to change how society looks at paedophilia. I don't mean coddling them, but we accept it is a disorder, try to treat them, and obviously keep them away from children.

[Revolutionair]

Then we need to change how society looks at paedophilia. I don't mean coddling them, but we accept it is a disorder, try to treat them, and obviously keep them away from children.

Exactly my opinion. There's no need for executions (like some have mentioned in this thread), or even imprisonment. The only way that pedophelia can get dangerous is when it's combined with psychopathy. In most other cases, it's a treatable mental illness and should be viewed as such.

[seventeethdecember2016]

Bureaucracy... Enough said.

[Robocommie]

Exactly my opinion. There's no need for executions (like some have mentioned in this thread), or even imprisonment. The only way that pedophelia can get dangerous is when it's combined with psychopathy. In most other cases, it's a treatable mental illness and should be viewed as such.

You know, I'm really confident in saying you lack the professional credentials to make such a potentially dangerous statement.

It's all well and good to want to see a kinder, gentler world in which we treat everyone with an anti-social problem as mentally ill, but to be totally honest, the first concern should be children who both are, have been, and may become the victims. Trying to put the focus on the pedophiles, even if they are in fact dealing with a mental illness, is a gross failure to keep perspective.

[Revolutionair]

You know, I'm really confident in saying you lack the professional credentials to make such a potentially dangerous statement.

I do lack professional credentials, I am just basing my opinion on statements made by pedophiles, such as Robert M. and experts on the most recent pedophile cases.


Trying to put the focus on the pedophiles, even if they are in fact dealing with a mental illness, is a gross failure to keep perspective.

What do you mean? I am saying that pedophiles should be kept away from children, and should receive treatment. My focus is on the children, how do we make sure that children are not harmed? By removing every incentive that anyone might have to harm/abuse children.

[honest john's firing squad]

I have another reason I really do not want to tell you guys because some of you ultra-leftists might explode
try me

[Regicollis]

I think it is important to maintain the distinction between paedophiles and those who abuse children. Those who have a sexual desire for children should be offered treatment (preferable anonymous) and their efforts to get well should be met with understanding. I think many paedophiles today avoid seeking help in time because of social stigma.

As for those who actually abuse children either directly or through child porn there should be a massive international police effort to find them and stop them. Rehabilitation should be tried but in some cases incapacitation in a mental hospital might be the only option.

Although there would still be child abuse in a socialist society I think capitalism facilitates it to some extents. Those children who suffer the worst abuses always seem to be from poor and dysfunctional families. A socialist society would offer these families real help instead of leaving them with what little effort a social worker who has to work on over a hundred cases at a time can provide.