the universe

[Anarchist Freedom]

i know your all gunna curse me for this but oh well.

now scientists say that the universe was created by the big bang

somehow i have never beleived it why ?

well this universe so big so cold its just too big to be created its soo vast there is some reason it is here no organism could do this all there has to be some greater being


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[Pete]

Well the universe was actually created by Brahma, who came from a lotus flower that sprouted out of Visnu's bellybutton as he slept on the unending snake on the unending ocean after the dissultion. So have no wories... Or the universe was created when death sacrificed itself to the sacrifice as the sacrifice inorder to get more food... Or the universe is like a river, always changing, yet permanatly constant, so the question is indeed silly... Or the universe is a figment of my imagination and I am actually the One who named my self "I" and then got afraid, realized that nothing else existed to be afraid of so I imagined a partner into being and had sex with her creating the entire world, as I had no definite form until recently...

As Albert Einstien said "I think two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity,... and I'm not too sure about the first one" or something like that

-Pete

[praxis1966]

Ever stop to think that maybe all of this is some sort of cosmic joke of an illusion?

[hawarameen]

if you think that someone (i.e. god) made the universe and that the universe couldnt just appear out of nothing you are pretty much defeating your own argument. if the universe is too big and complex to be created by chance and that a superior being must have created it then it follows that someone MUST have created god, surely something as superior as god doesnt just appear out of thin air!

[Eastside Revolt]

I have always had this theory that the creation of this existence might just be impossible to comprehend whilst existing.

[hawarameen]

spot on Red, thats exactly how i think, whatever religion says there are perfectly plausible replies to their arguments. the human mind is always looking for reasons, why did this happen, how did it happen etc. we cant accept that things might actually JUST happen. maybe god made the universe (if he did he was pretty lonely before it, and he did a bad job as well) or maybe the universe was created in a big bang (if it was, we were pretty lucky with the perfect conditions for life here)

or maybe its all just a role playing game that some other being is playing!

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 4 2003, 02:58 AM
i know your all gunna curse me for this but oh well.

now scientists say that the universe was created by the big bang

somehow i have never beleived it why ?

well this universe so big so cold its just too big to be created its soo vast there is some reason it is here no organism could do this all there has to be some greater being


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FOR THE LAST TIME: THE BIG BANG DOES NOT DISCREDIT THE EXISTENCE OF A GOD

IN FACT IT KIND OF CAN BE USED TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE THE BIG BANG THEORY MEANS THE UNIVERSE HAD A BEGINING

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big bang theory

[Comrade Beria]

It is a very slippery slope from the opiate of Big Bang theory to capitalist imperialism. Anyone who discusses such capitalist treason should be arrested and processed.

[Ian]

http://www.sids.org.uk/fsid/dino.jpg

[Soviet power supreme]

well this universe so big so cold its just too big to be created its soo vast there is some reason it is here no organism could do this all there has to be some greater being

Now tell me how did this greater being created this?Did he clap his hands?Snap his fingers?How?

And how in the hell do you know that a greater force created universe?

The science has proved that universe is 15 billion years old.There were no humans nor any writing skills in 15 billion years ago.Now tell me how did these bible makers or any religious guys knew what had happen?

Science developes all the time and as we are speaking.1500th century it was believed that world was a flat as pancake.Maybe scientist cant explain it very well now but maybe in the future they can.Or maybe science cant never figure it out.

You got it Hawarameen.Now people tell me how god was created?

[Pete]

Many myths speak about how the first diety was self created and created by none. Sort of like the thought "I" and then poof "I" exists. That is the simpliest one to explain... just the pressure that something must happen, and then it appears because there is nothing their to start it, but also nothing to stop it.

[hawarameen]

this is something the greatest philosophers havnt agreed on and i doubt there will be any agreement here.

[canikickit]

i doubt there will be any agreement here

Agree 100%!


The idea of some greater "being" is just an excuse for something we can never understand. We don't need an explanation, especially one as stupid as "some guy (or not necessarily a guy but we will refer to this presence as 'He' or other personal, singular terms despite that) who makes everything, and also makes everything happen". Even if this "God" was merely an observer, what relevance would such nonsense have to our lives and how could we fathom it? What purpose does this ridiculous subservience to a great God serve?

The correct explanation is that things are beyond the realm of human comprehension so we don't know and don't care. It doesn't effect us.

[mEds]

iLL USE MY SAME ARGUMENT OVER AND OVER. Something had to create something whatever that something is is whatever you want it to be. ergo that something is God just in the sense of the entty creating the particle that created the big bang. that is the "God" particle in a nutshell. Now, if you add ANY religious sense to God that is a leap of faith. That is all my cherubs.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

If the universe was a matter of chance, no matter what actually happened it exists anyway because all the other possibilities mean that we wouldn't be here to ponder it.
Even if the chance of intelligent life is next next to impossible, it happened because we are here

[mEds]

umm it doesnt have to be intellient life. somehow something (whatever you wanna call it God, matter bla bla bla) created the big band and/or universe. Where does this THING have to be intelligent?

[LiquidX]

This is actually interesting, but unfortunately I believe it is an unsolvable question...its not even worth theorising on. Was there such a thing as the big bang or a "higher being"? In my opinion there is no way to know. In my opinion it all comes back to the "If a tree fals in the woods but theres nobody around to hear it..." argument. One person says "Well sure it makes a sound", the other says "How can sound exist if it can't be heard?"...they are both right, and yet both wrong. It's impossible to solve...and in my opinion so is the universe.

[Eastside Revolt]

I think it would actually be quite depressing to know how the universe was created.

[Purple]

Originally posted by Ian [email protected] 14 2003, 05:01 AM
http://www.sids.org.uk/fsid/dino.jpg
no...

[hawarameen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 02:40 AM
iLL USE MY SAME ARGUMENT OVER AND OVER. Something had to create something whatever that something is is whatever you want it to be. ergo that something is God just in the sense of the entty creating the particle that created the big bang. that is the "God" particle in a nutshell. Now, if you add ANY religious sense to God that is a leap of faith. That is all my cherubs.
OK something had to create something and lets call that thing god.

by your argument then, it follows that god must have been created by someting! because something had to create something.

and that thing that created god, well something had to create that, yes?

how long should i continue?

[Umoja]

Nothing could have created what ever created the Universe. Because no time existed for that creation to happen since time only exist within the universe. Again, that proves nothing about god.

[Eastside Revolt]

Umoja!

I love your sig

[Umoja]

Thank you. Glad to know someone appreciates it.

[revolutionindia]

Friends
Life and death are but two commas in the journey of the human spirit and human spirit is like that object whose growth and splendour has no limit . In our present form as ignorant homo sapiens we lack the appartaus and knowledge to make sense of the universe around us and and hence all opinions and theories floating around are flawed and incorrect.
NIrvana is what we all should strive for
OOOOooooommmm

[LiquidX]

Umoja,

Would it also be plausible to say that if there is nothing to experience time, then therefore it is irrelevant. By this I mean...could there have existed "time", but then the universe was created and "time" became relevant? Id like to know what ppl think.

[Umoja]

If "time" existed outside the Universe it'd lack meaning because it needs space to interact in. I think it could theoretically be possible that the Universe used to be just empty space, but I doubt that.

[honest intellectual]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 07:45 AM
Ever stop to think that maybe all of this is some sort of cosmic joke of an illusion?
I hope not - coz I don't get it.


OK something had to create something and lets call that thing god.

by your argument then, it follows that god must have been created by someting! because something had to create something.

and that thing that created god, well something had to create that, yes?

how long should i continue?
Your argument is based on the concept of 'before', presupposing that time existed before the universe did. It falls apart if you consider God to be seperate from the concept of time

[LiquidX]

So then the universe had to create it's own space? I mean scientists tell us that the universe is constantly in expansion, so therefore it has to be expanding into something...either that or it's creating it's own space to expand into... :wacko:

[Umoja]

The Universe is increasing the amount of space that it has. So space itself is expanding. That's what I'd tend to think, otherwise, the big bang would have been the creation of matter (but not space), which makes almost no sense to me.

[Anarchist Freedom]

yah its crazy. isnt space endless ?????? soo i am now just now caring who made the world who fuckin cares.


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