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freepalestine
13th April 2012, 10:16
The Arab-Muslim narrative

Op-ed: Fantasy, stretching the truth very deeply embedded in mindset of Muslim and Arab culture

David Ha'ivri
Published: 04.10.12, 11:03 / Israel Opinion



A few years ago, while visiting the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, I had a very disturbing conversation with a member of the Islamic Waqf who was escorting me to make sure that I didn't pray on the holy mountain.

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I asked him if he could tell me when the al-Aqsa mosque was built. He looked at me with a straight face and responded that it was always there. I hadn't expected that, and of course was surprised and asked again. I thought that maybe he didn't understand my question and meant that the mountain was always there. So I asked again, and made it clear that I meant the mosque located on the southern extension of the Temple Mount that was built by Herod. (Historically, the entire platform that the al-Aqsa mosque is built on didn't even exist during the time of the first Temple.)

It turned out that this “learned” member of the Islamic clergy, whose job is to work on the Temple Mount, actually believed that the structure of the al-Aqsa mosque was just there - from the beginning of time.

This conversation was a great help to me in understanding the Muslim Arab mindset and culture. Facts are not really so important to them. They can be made up or even changed as needed.


New replacement theology

You don't need to take my word for it. Go to YouTube and search for this: "Moses was a Muslim who led Palestinians out of Egypt.” You will see that Islamic clergy are teaching this concept without blinking an eye. They are totally convinced that all of the Israelite heroes of the Bible were actually Muslims.

This is the new replacement theology. The idea is not only Holocaust denial like what is heard from the leaders of the Islamic regime in Iran. They now deny (or co-opt) all the foundational points of Jewish history.

Their strategy is to question or outright deny the most basic historical facts – like claiming that the Jews are not the direct descendants and surviving remnant of the children of Israel who were led out of Egypt by Moses and led into the land under Joshua. If you see the video, you will learn that King David too was a Muslim who defeated the mighty Goliath.


For all whose goal is to bring stability to this region, it is important to understand the rhetoric of those who oppose Israel as part of their religion. Understand that we are dealing with people who celebrate being detached from reality as part of their worship of Allah.

Accept our neighbors
There might be those who fear that this realization would force us to give up all hope of bringing about a deal for lasting peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors. I suggest the opposite. We must realize and accept our neighbors for who they are and recognize their culture as a given.

It is unrealistic, in my opinion, to believe that we can turn the Arabs into a society that truly embraces western concepts and values - like facts and sticking to truth. It makes much more sense to understand that fantasy and stretching the truth are very deeply embedded in the mindset of the Muslim and Arab culture. I do not mean to say this as an insult, but to suggest that we accept it as a fact, take it as it is and move on.


I believe that there is hope for peace in the Middle East - not because the Arabs will love us or are about to become Zionist enthusiasts. There is hope for peace because the Jews are a peace loving people and G-d gave us the brains and physical means to protect our borders and our nation. The Arabs can believe whatever they like - as long as they know that they can't overrun us. If they could they would.




David Ha’ivri is the director of the Shomron Liaison Office. He and his wife Mollie live in Kfar Tapuach, Shomron with their eight children. You can follow him on Twitter @haivri

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Rafiq
13th April 2012, 19:26
Idealist horse shit. What makes it unique is that freepalestine made the thread. What, you actually believe this shit, freepalestine? :laugh:

Also, there is no such thing as "Arab and Muslim culture". There's Arab culture and Muslim culture. Two different things.

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Franz Fanonipants
13th April 2012, 19:27
im sure there's not any kind of underlying agenda at all going on here

Rafiq
14th April 2012, 20:29
it just shows the racism of mainstream zionism/isreal.


as for rafiq , maybe he could mention whats said in the article.

Maybe you could have put an emphasis on that instead of linking chauvinistic articles without any noticable insight on your behalf.

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Robocommie
15th April 2012, 12:58
Interesting article comrade, but Rafiq has a point, you probably should have added your own commentary to put it in its proper context.

Zealot
17th April 2012, 10:48
They conflate Muslims and Arabs as if they were one and the same thing. Arabs only make up 15% of all Muslims IIRC. I seriously doubt most Muslims believe al-Aqsa mosque was there from the beginning of time. Sounds like idealist, Zionist garbage to me.

Robocommie
18th April 2012, 02:58
the articles there ,for people to read.if someone wants to question the anti arab opinions of isrealis let them do so.(btw a post was deleted b4 you posted,forget by who;/)
what context does it need??

what do you want me to say, be an apologist for everyday zionism ,at best from a mainstream isreali newspaper.
its not as if settlers and religious zionists arent a threat to Palestinians, they are encouraged by the isreali state.

Comrade I'm not sure why you neg-repped me, I wasn't trying to start a fight, I agree with you, racism against Arabs is astonishingly mainstream in Israeli media. In fact I've read even more blatantly dehumanizing statements in Haaretz before, such an editorialist comparing Arabs to baboons.

All you have to do is look at my avatar to remember who I sympathize with here!

Homo Songun
18th April 2012, 04:13
Moses could be described as a "Muslim" according to Islamic theology because "Islam" strictly speaking just means submission to the will of God. Muslims will readily tell you that Abraham and the other biblical figures were prophets of "Islam" in that sense of word. The author is either a moron or purposefully confusing two senses of the word. Obvious propaganda is obvious.

Hexen
18th April 2012, 05:13
Obvious propaganda is obvious.

Not to mention the article comes from a Israeli news source which show how trustworthy it is...

Blanquist
18th April 2012, 05:35
The person in the OP obviously has his agenda, but I don't know his views and honestly don't really care.

I will say though, that it is absolutely true that obscurantism is very, VERY, strong among Arabs in Palestine.

Homo Songun
18th April 2012, 05:37
it is absolutely true that obscurantism is very, VERY, strong among Arabs in Palestine.
You sound like an idiot.