Breaking: North Korea has launched the rocket.

[Susurrus]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-04-12/north-korea-rocket-launch/54228082/1

The die is cast.

[Geiseric]

Lol he's full of shit.

[Deicide]

For Juche!

If this is true, I await the response from the ''international community''.

[Susurrus]

Lol he's full of shit.

Me or the article? It appears to be real, US and South Korean officials have both confirmed it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304444604577340343672810680.html?m od=googlenews_wsj
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/12/world/asia/north-korea-launch/?hpt=hp_t1
http://abcnews.go.com/International/north-korea-launches-test-rocket/story?id=16125951#.T4dlP6uLMTY

Although current reports indicate the rocket failed after it was launched.

[Ostrinski]

Lol he's full of shit.Have you been watching the news the past few days? This has been going on for a while.

[Geiseric]

What? Last I checked Kim Jong Il was dead and his weak and fat son was taking charge, so that means that they're probably starting up more of those free market zones like China has been doing. But I wouldn't be surprised if it blew up, they don't have the resources to make a functioning ICBM. If they did we could shoot it down by now. And by that time Pyongyang would be off the map, so what interest do they have realistically to make an ICBM? Same goes for Iran. They do this stuff all the time, Saddam said it before Desert Shield to make them seem much tougher to Iran. NK must be doing the same thing with SK to make themselves seem strong.

This is all considering how poor as shit I think North Korea would be by now, if they've started exploiting more of their workers to foreign companies that could very much provide them with what they need if they've gotten enough fuel, the actual rocket built, guidance, warheads, etc.

[marl]

It failed lol

[Bronco]

It's fallen into the ocean apparently :lol:

[Ostrinski]

rofl

[Geiseric]

Fuckin told ya guys

[manic expression]

Nothing to be ashamed of, these sorts of things have always been trial-and-error affairs.

[gorillafuck]

it failed, which I suppose is the point of a test.

developing weapons technology in North Korea is probably a smart move on their part (and good for allied anti-NATO countries), given the events that have been going down recently.

[Bostana]

World War III

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

First failure of Kim Jong-Un . . .

Will there be anymore? :laugh:

But in all seriousness, I fell bad for Kim Jong-Un and the Korean people. Un was doing this for his grandfather's honor and the North Korean people were hoping they could finally demonstrate to the world their abilities and sovereignty. Both parties failed and I fear that this might become a psychological, perhaps even a strategical, victory for the global imperialist camp. A victory for imperialism is the highest form of victory for global capital.

[kashkin]

^What? The North Korean people were hoping to show their abilities and sovereignty? The NK people probably had absolutely nothing to do with this, and what is the point of spending so much money on ICBMs when people are starving?

Did anyone think this would work?

[gorillafuck]

But in all seriousness, I fell bad for Kim Jong-Un and the Korean people. Un was doing this for his grandfather's honor and the North Korean people were hoping they could finally demonstrate to the world their abilities and sovereignty. Both parties failed and I fear that this might become a psychological, perhaps even a strategical, victory for the global imperialist camp. A victory for imperialism is the highest form of victory for global capital.what? this has nothing do with the korean people feeling empowered or honoring kim il sung. north korea is doing this purely for strategic military benefit.


Did anyone think this would work?it's called a test for a reason.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Don't know why people are saying it was a failure; the fact that it was launched seems to indicate that it was a rather successful initiative. Sure it fell in the ocean, or whatever, but in terms of military development it is a step forward.

So,the military there should be happy... not so sure about the proletarians though.

[Leonid Brozhnev]

All space faring nations have had their fair share of failures, I don't know why NK's failures should be treated like the entire nation contains nothing but imbeciles.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

All that labor effort put into a giant firecracker which fell into the Pacific. They should focus on building tractors, irrigation and fertilizer to deal with famine and economic hardship. But this kind of thing is what we should expect from a dynastic military dictatorship.

[manic expression]

All that labor effort put into a giant firecracker which fell into the Pacific. They should focus on building tractors, irrigation and fertilizer to deal with famine and economic hardship.
Monday Morning Bureaucrat. Look, scientific advancement isn't something to thumb your nose at.

Running an isolated socialist country: so easy a RevLeft poster could do it.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

I remember when I knew nothing about the geography of north Korea, or how money doesn't work if your blockaded the worst ever in history.


Sad to see it failed, but happy to see it fail.
I don't know

[Prometeo liberado]

World War III


Could you for once offer anything other than, " told you so" or "WW III" rants? Anything?

[Zav]

All space faring nations have had their fair share of failures, I don't know why NK's failures should be treated like the entire nation contains nothing but imbeciles.
North Korea is not on good terms with the rest of the world. We are seeing the same thing in the U.S. about Iran, and we saw it about the USSR, PRC, Nazi Germany, Japan, and every other 'enemy'. Overemphasizing enemy failures (whilst underemphasizing their successes and doing the exact inverse in the first nation) is a classic propaganda tactic used for thousands of years to boost morale and support for military action against them.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Monday Morning Bureaucrat. Look, scientific advancement isn't something to thumb your nose at.

Running an isolated socialist country: so easy a RevLeft poster could do it.

They are socialist? I beg to differ ...

I am criticizing their priorities, not their technology. Investing on productive technology would do infinitely more for the working class and for longer than military rocket science.

[seventeethdecember2016]

Rocket failed... Alright back to the drawing board! Next time we'll have twice as many workers pedaling, and we'll see what impact that will have.

[Grenzer]

Monday Morning Bureaucrat. Look, scientific advancement isn't something to thumb your nose at.

Running an isolated socialist country: so easy a RevLeft poster could do it.

Running an isolated socialist country: so easy that even Stalin could do it!

Are you serious? You're even more of a Brezhnevite than I thought. Supporting Cuba as socialist: a little delusional, sure, but not exactly beyond the pale; but now you're saying Juche is the successful implementation of socialism? I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not honestly.

As flawed as it is, it's one thing to "defend", as you Stalinists like to say, a country from imperialism; but it's another to actively cheer on brutal anti-communists like the Kim dynasty as you PSL people do. Who needs bourgeois propaganda to discredit socialism when you guys are already on it full time?

[x359594]

...it's another to actively cheer on brutal anti-communists like the Kim dynasty...

The DPRK is a modern Asian despotism that wears the clothes of socialism. It's profoundly anti-communist.

[Grenzer]

The DPRK is a modern Asian despotism that wears the clothes of socialism. It's profoundly anti-communist.

Indeed, and it's arguable that it doesn't even bother putting on a socialist veneer anymore. With the introduction of Juche-Songun some years ago, they have dropped all explicit references to socialism, Marxism-Leninism, communism, or anything of that nature in exchange for militarism. The Kim regime is an extension of Chinese and Russian imperialism. The workers are brutally exploited not only by the Kim regime, but also by the Russians and Chinese whom the Kim dynasty "rents" workers to. The DPRK also had done this to some degree with the Gaddafi regime, and after the NATO backed rebels took him out, the North Korean workers were not allowed to return home by the Kim regime. Only someone willfully ignorant of the facts could support an anti-worker regime such as the DPRK.

Our first allegiance must always be to the workers of the world, not to countries or dear leaders.. it seems like too many people forget that.

[robear]

Does anybody know if the U.S. actually cut off food aid again?

[Khalid]

A satellite test fails and Revlefters are just cheering, laughing and acting like a bunch of chauvinists? That's messed up.

[Omsk]

Running an isolated socialist country: so easy that even Stalin could do it!


Is this serious?(No offense.) Stalin had one of the hardest roles in the USSR,during peace,and during the war,especially during the war,he was one of the most important people in the period,and he excelled all other,and to a degree,even Lenin.


@Topic:

They are wasting a huge amount of money for such irrelevant constructions,while the main aspects of their country have serious problems.

[Q]

So, the whole week we've heard how North-Korea would be sending a satellite into space and now it has failed it is suddenly just a "test"?

Right...

Just a heads up: You don't test rockets with actual and very expensive cargo on board. You only put satellites on board if you're reasonably sure the rocket won't blow up.

[Khalid]

So, the whole week we've heard how North-Korea would be sending a satellite into space and now it has failed it is suddenly just a "test"?

Right...

Just a heads up: You don't test rockets with actual and very expensive cargo on board. You only put satellites on board if you're reasonably sure the rocket won't blow up.

Korean Central News Agency reports that "Satellite Fails to Enter Its Orbit" and that "scientists, technicians and experts are now looking into the cause of the failure". So yeah, it was not "just a test". Something just went wrong. It was a failure and a terrible accident.

But it is totally not something to laugh about.

[Rooster]

But it is totally not something to laugh about.

I know! All that wasted effort and man power that could have gone into something more useful! It's not like it would be cheaper to just rent out a satellite or anything.

[Khalid]

I know! All that wasted effort and man power that could have gone into something more useful! It's not like it would be cheaper to just rent out a satellite or anything.

I think the satellite would have been useful. Collecting weather data is important in a country like Korea where heavy rains and cold winters are a problem.

[Sasha]

I think the satellite would have been useful. Collecting weather data is important in a country like Korea where heavy rains and cold winters are a problem.

I thought the thing was going to be not much more than the sputnik, a thing that basicly went bleep.

[Martin Blank]

I thought the thing was going to be not much more than the sputnik, a thing that basically went bleep.

No, it was a basic weather satellite that took high-def radar images, measured patterns, etc. It was actually a fairly sophisticated satellite, something similar to what the U.S. was launching into space in the 1980s and 1990s.

[Martin Blank]

And just as a reminder:...

U.S. rocket fails

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USSR/Russia rocket fails

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China rocket fails

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India rocket fails

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Moral of the story: Launching into space is not easy.

It's a good thing that all the North Koreans lost is a satellite.

[NoPasaran1936]

I'm all for the advancement of technology, but surely their priorities are the famine and ensuring they can feed their population..

[tachosomoza]

North Korea is a dynastic kleptocracy. The Kims ride around in armored trains and Rolls Royces, drink Hennessy by the gallon and operate a cult of personality, yet have the nerve to march under a red banner. Fuck them, I'd challenge anyone who supports the current regime to spend a spell over there and see how they like it.

[Ocean Seal]

Korean Central News Agency reports that "Satellite Fails to Enter Its Orbit" and that "scientists, technicians and experts are now looking into the cause of the failure". So yeah, it was not "just a test". Something just went wrong. It was a failure and a terrible accident.
But it is totally not something to laugh about.
I agree, threads about the DPRK bring out the worst in everyone.


I know! All that wasted effort and man power that could have gone into something more useful! It's not like it would be cheaper to just rent out a satellite or anything.
Rent it? From who? Who are the DPRK's friends? China? Its not in China's interest to see the DPRK develop.


I thought the thing was going to be not much more than the sputnik, a thing that basicly went bleep.
More or less thats what a weather collecting device is.

I really wish that people wouldn't applaud North Korea's failures as if they were "sticking it to the Kim's." When North Korea fails more people are hurt than just the North Korean royal family.

[Rafiq]

All that labor effort put into a giant firecracker which fell into the Pacific. They should focus on building tractors, irrigation and fertilizer to deal with famine and economic hardship. But this kind of thing is what we should expect from a dynastic military dictatorship.

You can't develop a nation without constantly being threatened. They had to do shit like this or they'd already be invaded.

Bourgeois states like NK aren't "crazy idiots" like you'd imagine

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[Geiseric]

If they're shooting up a weather satellite and not some stupid military bullshit, I can support the notion that they might be improving their agricultural situation. Who knows, maybe Kim Jong Ill-Legit's death was the best thing to happen to NK. I doubt it matters too much.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

This may have been more than just a test or an attempt to launch a satellite ... it is 100 years after the birth of Kim Il Sung, and the DPRK was saying that 2012 was supposed to be the year that North Korea becomes a "prosperous" state according to their propaganda. I think launching a satellite into space was in part an attempt to say to the people "see, we're not destitute, we can attain the same technological glories as the superpowers".

Had it been "just a test" they would not have gotten so much press to cover the launch, and if it was just to launch the Satellite, they would have paid the Chinese to do it for them as the Chinese have a tried and tested space program


You can't develop a nation without constantly being threatened. They had to do shit like this or they'd already be invaded.



Their conventional deterrent is more than enough to ensure it won't be invaded any time soon. That and their current nuclear stockpile. I don't think they would have been invaded had they not developed their rocket science program.



Bourgeois states like NK aren't "crazy idiots" like you'd imagine I don't think they are crazy idiots, just paranoid militarists who invest the resources of their country in a way contrary to the interests of their workers, and instead in favor of their military institutions.

[Imposter Marxist]

I believe that the rocket failed because the rockets were constructed of state capitalist metal, etc.

[Bronco]

Yeah I don't deny that rockets launched by other nations have often failed as well but it's still embarrassing for the regime; this had been widely publicised, they knew the world was watching and up in arms about these plans, they deliberately arranged the launch to coincide with the 100 year anniversary of Kim il-Sung's birth - this should have been a major PR moment for them, an attempt at giving a middle finger to the West, an expression of their power and a demonstration of what they were capable of, to those both at home and abroad. It turned out to be none of that.

[Khalid]

Had it been "just a test" they would not have gotten so much press to cover the launch, and if it was just to launch the Satellite, they would have paid the Chinese to do it for them as the Chinese have a tried and tested space program

They invited foreign specialists to see what's going on. I don't think the DPRK asks Japanese observers to check out their military missiles.

And I think it's a bit paranoid to think that everything the DPRK does is only for propaganda purposes.

[Sasha]

Well at least its not only on revleft that "communists" throw away all their credibility, actual "communist" leaders do it too: To Comrade Kim Jong Un

General Secretary

Korean Workers’ Party

Pyongyang, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Esteemed Comrade Kim Jong Un,
We, the International League of Peoples’ Struggle, convey our warmest greetings of solidarity to you, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and the Korean people as we join the celebration of the 100th birth anniversary of the great revolutionary leader President Kim Il Sung on April 15, 2012. This is a highly significant day in Korea’s resplendent 5000-year history and is a strong inspiration to the peoples of the world.
All of us benefit from the ever lasting legacy of President Kim Il Sung of resolute and militant struggle for national independence, democracy, socialism and peace against Imperialism and all reaction. His revolutionary record of 70 years is as magnificent as Mt. Paektu, the ancestral home and bulwark of the Korean people. We firmly and fully support the continuance of his historic efforts to reunify Korea on the basis of independence, peace and unity.
Comrade Kim Il Sung excelled in fighting for the national liberation of the Korean people. He led victoriously revolutionary wars against Japanese imperialism and then against U.S. imperialism which unleashed a massive war of aggression. To achieve every victory, he mobilized the Korean people. He upheld working class leadership through the Korean Workers’ Party in completing the people’s democratic revolution and in carrying out socialist revolution and socialist construction in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea in accordance with the principle of self-reliance.
Guided by his wise leadership and indomitable spirit, the Korean people scored great feats of achievements in the social, economic, political, cultural, scientific and educational fields under the banner of socialism. At the same time, they heroically withstood and overcame armed provocations, economic blockade and all kinds of pressures, interferences and maneuvers by the imperialists and their agents. In this regard, we support the Korean people in upholding, defending and further developing all the victories that they have won under the leadership of Kim Il Sung and his successors.
Comrade Kim Il Sung is a great revolutionary leader who is inspiring not only to the Korean people but to all the people of the world. His revolutionary ideas and deeds shed a powerful light on the road of revolution and mass struggles against imperialism and reaction. They are relevant and useful to the people of the world as they face the devastation being wrought by the grave crisis of the world capitalist system, involving the escalation of exploitation and oppression and the spread of state terrorism, fascism and wars of aggression.
We, the International League of Peoples’ Struggle, pay homage to the undying memory of President Kim Il Sung as a great leader and revolutionary fighter for national and social liberation. We are therefore resolved more than ever before to arouse, organize and mobilize the people of the world to fight for national independence, democracy, social justice, development, international solidarity and peace.
Long live the memory of the great leader Kim Il Sung!

Long live his legacy of revolutionary struggle and victories!

Long live the solidarity of the Korean people and world’s people!
In solidarity,

Prof. Jose Maria Sison

Chairperson

International Coordinating Committee

International League of Peoples’ Struggle

:laugh: he even already has the propaganda lingo down to a tee.

[x359594]

Indeed, and it's arguable that it doesn't even bother putting on a socialist veneer anymore...

I qualified that because a friend visited the DPRK three years ago and saw bas-reliefs of Marx and Engels on a few buildings. She visited a bookstore where there were a few books by Marx and Engels on sale but virtually everything else was by Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il.


...Our first allegiance must always be to the workers of the world, not to countries or dear leaders.. it seems like too many people forget that.

Well said.

[gorillafuck]

Just a heads up: You don't test rockets with actual and very expensive cargo on board. You only put satellites on board if you're reasonably sure the rocket won't blow up.did they prove they had that cargo on board?:confused:

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

I believe that the rocket failed because the rockets were constructed of state capitalist metal, etc.

This is a brilliant analysis! Damn that state capitalist metal! If only they had used metal produced by "private" capitalist enterprises, the satellite would be up and running.

Death to false state capitalist metal!

[tachosomoza]

Stolen capitalist metal is best metal.

[China studen]

Lol he's full of shit.

You‘s full of shit.

[China studen]

It's fallen into the ocean apparently :lol:

What are you laughing? Look at your American masters of the "Challenger" spacecraft! Sucker!

[Pretty Flaco]

You‘s full of shit.

im full of so much shit.

[Bronco]

What are you laughing? Look at your American masters of the "Challenger" spacecraft! Sucker!

lol I dunno, it was just such an anti-climax after the whole thing had been built up all week

Oh and I'm not America, I have British masters instead

[Geiseric]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-04-12/north-korea-rocket-launch/54228082/1

The die is cast.

They edited that shit as soon as the rocket failed! Did anybody else notice that? Seriously they turned the entire article around as soon as the Rocket failed.

At first it was all forboding and threatening, then they turned it in the opposite direction! Fucking orwellian.