BOYCOTT RIAA!!!

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

These blood sucking capitalists have monopolized music just to pad their pockets long enough! Now they are trying to infringe upon our rights as consumers just in order to increase their own profits! Take action and boycott the RIAA! Don't buy any CDs, use KaZaA from now on!

[hobosexual]

..... :huh:

sigh

[canikickit]

I'll never stop purchasing music, as long as that option is available.

[SgtPepper369]

Sorry Dude... can't... I just can't burn the beatles... you would be souless.

[Rastafari]

I have 810 tracks on my computer I have downloaded, and I only feel bad for less than 10% of the artist.

the other 90%, woefully, are dead, and aren't making anything from it anyway.


besides, boycotting something like that would be next to impossible

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Music ought to be free for all! Boycotting the RIAA is simple, just dont buy CDs, there is no reason to! Just make your own CDs with a CD burner. As much as you hate "burning the Beatles" you must remember, regardless of what they say, their actions prove that they are capitalists too, and have made millions off their music already, they dont need another dime.

[SgtPepper369]

Or you can simply buy only Used CD's.

[EneME]

I only buy used cd's as it is....if i buy a new one (rarely) it has to be at a good price and some unbelievable artist for me like sade or dido....RIAA hasn't made much from me haha...BASTARDS

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 04:46 AM
Music ought to be free for all! Boycotting the RIAA is simple, just dont buy CDs, there is no reason to! Just make your own CDs with a CD burner. As much as you hate "burning the Beatles" you must remember, regardless of what they say, their actions prove that they are capitalists too, and have made millions off their music already, they dont need another dime.
Music ought to be free huh? So let me get this straight a person puts much or all of their time/money/resources into making music and it should be free? So they should get another job as well so they can eat and have a place to live fix broken equiptment etc? What do you do to earn money to pay for food/rent /internet access etc?

I don't give a damn if somebody downloads the likes of the Beatles, Stones, Britney, etc (Relax people I put those together not on merit but on the basis of monetary earnings). However there are plenty of good artists out there that don't make much money and people downloading their music for free robs them the same way many bosses rob their workers by not paying them a decent wage.

One other thing the RIAA does not represent all record labels. There are many fine labels and independent artists that have no affiliation to the RIAA. If you checkout http://www.boycott-riaa.com/membership, you can see who is on board with the RIAA. Although this list could be flawed because it comes from the RIAA website and they have in the past listed labels that they didn't represent like FAT Records who are now off their list.

[truthaddict11]

the Beatles dont make money off of thier records Michael Jackson owns thier songs. :P


and celtopunk is right artists on independent labels will actually earn more money than on a major label. i remember reading about this in an old Rap/ Rock Confidential.

[canikickit]

I buy albums on Blood and Fire, the record label. I have no problem giving them my money because they supply a good product, that they put a lot of effort into. They're one of the few reggae re-issue labels that make sure the artists get proper renumeration.

Their A & R man posts on their message board, as do various others from the operation. They take feedback and so forth and ask what the peple would like to see as the next release.

[Rastafari]

very cool. how large, out of curiosity, is their consumer base?

[canikickit]

I don't know...

http://www.bloodandfire.co.uk/phorum/read....149777&t=149409 (http://www.bloodandfire.co.uk/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=149777&t=149409)


Re: If Deejay was your Trade..
Author: [email protected] (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date: 07-14-03 12:35

it's all about sales at the end of the day Dave. 'DJ' hasn't done badly as these things go, having sold over 13000 copies so far, but that took over nine years. Still available too.....
Having said that we do actually like all the music we've released and so I wouldn't rule out the idea completely - Bunny Lee has plenty more where that came from, as you know, even a couple more unreleased which I still have on DAT from the transfers me and Bob did at Bunny's in 1993. So, maybe next year, if the music business is still here then....



"[email protected]" is Steve Barrow, the A & R man, and "If DJ was Your Trade" is one of their releases. 13,000 copies in nine years, that's how big.

http://www.bloodandfire.co.uk/phorum/read....f=1&i=608&t=575 (http://www.bloodandfire.co.uk/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=608&t=575)

There's another thread where he talks about the business.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Garage bands, high school bands, ameture players, many of these people never make a dime off their music, why should professional musicians be any different? Music has been around for thousands, if not millions of years, and the majority of those people have never been paid. Do you really think that just because we stop paying musicians, people will stop making music? Only those dedicated to their hobby will remain, unlike some people, not naming anyone...*cough* brittney spears *cough cough* If you are going to support record labels, you might as well be a bloody capitalist yourself.

[canikickit]

Who is going to organise the studio time and distribution and packaging?

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 09:00 PM
Garage bands, high school bands, ameture players, many of these people never make a dime off their music, why should professional musicians be any different? Music has been around for thousands, if not millions of years, and the majority of those people have never been paid. Do you really think that just because we stop paying musicians, people will stop making music? Only those dedicated to their hobby will remain, unlike some people, not naming anyone...*cough* brittney spears *cough cough* If you are going to support record labels, you might as well be a bloody capitalist yourself.
Hmm you never really answer any of my questions. So what's your hobby that you are currently getting paid for? How about you offer to do it for free? Or are you leeching off of somebody?

Farming has been around for thousands of years and many of the people that do it love it. Should they do that for free, call it a hobby maybe?

How fucking old are you? You sound like a person that has never lived a day in the real world, never had to fend for themselves.

[SgtPepper369]

Originally posted by celtopunk+Dec 4 2003, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (celtopunk @ Dec 4 2003, 12:18 PM)
[email protected] 4 2003, 04:46 AM

Music ought to be free huh? So let me get this straight a person puts much or all of their time/money/resources into making music and it should be free? So they should get another job as well so they can eat and have a place to live fix broken equiptment etc? What do you do to earn money to pay for food/rent /internet access etc? [/b]
Bands make most of their money from touring and performing.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

There, limit it to performances. If you want to pay the RIAA for "Packaging and distribution" you might as well be a capitalist yourself. These things cost them pennies (or less) on the doller. Regardless, CDs are a thing of the past, time to leave them behind and use mp3s instead (or make your own CDs).

[celtopunk]

I won&#39;t argue that most money is made from touring and performing that likely is the case. But the way marauder is talking that should be free too. Here&#39;s what he said:

" Garage bands, high school bands, ameture players, many of these people never make a dime off their music, why should professional musicians be any different? Music has been around for thousands, if not millions of years, and the majority of those people have never been paid. Do you really think that just because we stop paying musicians, people will stop making music? Only those dedicated to their hobby will remain..."


He still doesn&#39;t answer any questions put to him though. He still hasn&#39;t acknowledged the fact that many labels have NO affiliation with the RIAA. I download music, to hear what something sounds like and if I don&#39;t like it I delete it if I do like it I try and buy an actual recording. You won&#39;t find much RIAA stuff in my collection yet I still own close to 1000 pieces of prerecorded music. (records/tapes/CDs).

[truthaddict11]

i buy albums because i really cant afford to buy a new computer with a cd burner or afford a high speed modem in order to download. I buy probally 90% of my cds from local record stores because they have what i want, i would rather buy from them then from a chain record store like Sam Goody or FYE. Plus its nice having an album.

also there are several groups that will release compilation albums for certain causes, i recently bought one to support a prisoner book program.

[mentalbunny]

I copy where I can, except for artists who I think deserve supporting for one reason or another.

Also a lot of record companies invest in arms manufacturers. The one I can remember of the top of my head is Sony but email GR for more info.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 09:34 PM
I copy where I can, except for artists who I think deserve supporting for one reason or another.

Also a lot of record companies invest in arms manufacturers. The one I can remember of the top of my head is Sony but email GR for more info.
A LOT of record companies DON&#39;T invest and don&#39;t have ties to arms manufacturers. Support them&#33;

[mentalbunny]

Yeah, those are the smaller ones though. Independent labels all the way&#33;

[Se7en]

Has anyone ever looked at the hierarchy of a record label? there are hundreds if not thousands of people who all need to make a living from legal sales of CD. Secretaries, Janitors, Art Design, Marketing, Distribution, Retailers, Engineers, Studio Owners...etc etc etc. You are depriving these people of their hard earned wages when you pirate music. I thought communists wanted to end economic opression?

[SgtPepper369]

^^ That&#39;s true...

for all of you participating in this boycott here&#39;s a list of CD&#39;s you can buy:

http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/

Just about every good band has RIAA records.

But really... to me if the artist is good and I can&#39;t find the CD used, and it&#39;s not &#036;15, then I&#39;ll buy it.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 02:22 AM
^^ That&#39;s true...

for all of you participating in this boycott here&#39;s a list of CD&#39;s you can buy:

http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/

Just about every good band has RIAA records.

But really... to me if the artist is good and I can&#39;t find the CD used, and it&#39;s not &#036;15, then I&#39;ll buy it.
Thanks for the link, a very useful one for sure.

As for the statement "just about every good band has riaa records",

If you really believe this then you should try expanding your musical horizons a bit. Sure there are good bands on those labels but if you only listen to music put out by the major labels then you are doing yourself a huge disservice.

[mentalbunny]

Anti flag don&#39;t release stuff on RIAA labels, but ani difranco does, curious&#33;

[canikickit]

That&#39;s a pretty cool link.

[hobosexual]

Yeah, those are the smaller ones though. Independent labels all the way&#33;
where do you think the big labels came from. its inevitable, eventually almost all labels, or whatever become big capitalistic corporations. you support these labels now cause they are small and arent powered by money but as soon as enough of you support them and the money starts rolling in... :( and even if that doesnt happen, the ones that arent money whores never really get big and eventually get bought out by the bigger companys

[SgtPepper369]

What He said ^^^^

Really, If a CD is decently priced it deserves to be bought.

[truthaddict11]

some independent record companies have been around for decades, Alternative Tentacles has been around for 23 years and is still strong and they havent sold out, thier artists get i think 100% of the profits off the album sales. They have survived a lot even a major case against them and Jello Biafra for releasing "offensive material" in a record album.

[paralox]

Originally posted by celtopunk+Dec 4 2003, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (celtopunk @ Dec 4 2003, 12:18 PM)
[email protected] 4 2003, 04:46 AM
Music ought to be free for all&#33; Boycotting the RIAA is simple, just dont buy CDs, there is no reason to&#33; Just make your own CDs with a CD burner. As much as you hate "burning the Beatles" you must remember, regardless of what they say, their actions prove that they are capitalists too, and have made millions off their music already, they dont need another dime.
Music ought to be free huh? So let me get this straight a person puts much or all of their time/money/resources into making music and it should be free? So they should get another job as well so they can eat and have a place to live fix broken equiptment etc? What do you do to earn money to pay for food/rent /internet access etc?

I don&#39;t give a damn if somebody downloads the likes of the Beatles, Stones, Britney, etc (Relax people I put those together not on merit but on the basis of monetary earnings). However there are plenty of good artists out there that don&#39;t make much money and people downloading their music for free robs them the same way many bosses rob their workers by not paying them a decent wage.

One other thing the RIAA does not represent all record labels. There are many fine labels and independent artists that have no affiliation to the RIAA. If you checkout http://www.boycott-riaa.com/membership, you can see who is on board with the RIAA. Although this list could be flawed because it comes from the RIAA website and they have in the past listed labels that they didn&#39;t represent like FAT Records who are now off their list. [/b]
Shutup&#33;

Artists went for *thousands* of years, for as long as there has been humanity, making music because they want to, because they have a passion for it, not because they wanted to make money off of it.
Musicians would travel from inn to inn playing and entertaining guests, and in exchange getting a nights stay and perhaps a warm meal.
I wouldn&#39;t mind a return to the old days of music.

Although, personally, I think a socialisation of the music industry might be a better idea.
Intellectual property is being perverted by large companies, and they have gone way over the line of whats fair to their customers.
Don&#39;t feel shame about not paying for music.
Intellectual property has been terribly abused in this country, and its about time we took it back&#33;

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 12:47 AM

Shutup&#33;

Artists went for *thousands* of years, for as long as there has been humanity, making music because they want to, because they have a passion for it, not because they wanted to make money off of it.
Musicians would travel from inn to inn playing and entertaining guests, and in exchange getting a nights stay and perhaps a warm meal.
I wouldn&#39;t mind a return to the old days of music.

Although, personally, I think a socialisation of the music industry might be a better idea.
Intellectual property is being perverted by large companies, and they have gone way over the line of whats fair to their customers.
Don&#39;t feel shame about not paying for music.
Intellectual property has been terribly abused in this country, and its about time we took it back&#33;

Ooohh, I was told to shut up, with an exclamation point even&#33;

Is that you again Midnight Marauder? Changing your screen name?

Or just another person with no musical talent that thinks those with the talent shouldn&#39;t be able to live off of it if they are lucky enough. Or is it as you say if they want to get paid then they don&#39;t have the passion.

I wish I could make a living off of music but instead I have to use physical labor to pay for food, a place to live, etc. Good thing I don&#39;t really like breaking my back, really have a passion for it, or my boss wouldn&#39;t have to even pay me, perhaps just a blanket and a warm meal. Just like the good old days&#33;&#33;&#33; Yeah if only we could go back to the good old days. Owe your soul to the company store.

Maybe you aren&#39;t Midnight, but like him/her you probably don&#39;t work for a living either. If you do maybe you should consider doing it pro bono, tell your boss that his appreciation is payment enough. If he really wants to be nice he could buy you a hot dog or something every now and again.

And what&#39;s that BS line about intellectual property? You want to take it back? For whom? Did you actually create anything that could be considered intellectual property that someone else has appropriated? Or do you want to take back someone else&#39;s intellectual property? That must be it you are a modern day Robin Hood taking back people&#39;s intellectual property and then telling them that they can&#39;t make any money with it, just a warm meal now and again. If they really need money they&#39;ll have to get a "real job" right. That&#39;ll show those evil corporations&#33;&#33;

[Finch]

you could try to boycott the riaa but it wouldn&#39;t do you any good.

i download music plenty, to get a taste of the band or whatever, I have more CD&#39;s than I do downloaded songs and I have cable internet. Should I get a lawsuit because of this? No.. will i? Probably in the future.

[Comrade Beria]

The R.I.A.A. slanders Communism:

http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0004/propaganda/mp3.jpg

That capitalist institution must be purged.

[@[email protected]@]

Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?