Flirting and sexual harassment

[Elysian]

My friend believes that women who complain about flirting, catcalls etc. are hypocritical. If the guy were good-looking, women would be okay. Better than okay, flattered. So the conclusion is that women don't hate sexually inappropriate comments - they just hate the fact that these comments come from men they don't fancy.

I don't agree with what my friend said, but how do I make an argument against it?

[ВАЛТЕР]

If the person finds it uncomfortable it is harrassment. End of story. There are ways to flirt with girls other than catcalls, and saying how hot you they think they are. (In fact these are probably the least successful methods of approaching a girl. I dont think Ive ever seen a cat call work in real life, in fact you tend to come off as a prick.) Even if you are using a normal civilized method of approaching women, and they find it uncomfortable you need to stop. Simply out of common courtesy.

[Book O'Dead]

My friend believes that women who complain about flirting, catcalls etc. are hypocritical. If the guy were good-looking, women would be okay. Better than okay, flattered. So the conclusion is that women don't hate sexually inappropriate comments - they just hate the fact that these comments come from men they don't fancy.

I don't agree with what my friend said, but how do I make an argument against it?

Every guy that flirts with a woman, is rejected and continues to pursue her believes himself to be irresistibly attractive, at least to the woman in question.

In my case, I've been very successful in flirting mainly because I try to make them laugh (no, not by showing them my miniscule dick!).

But, to be honest about it, for too many years women have had to put up with all manner of abuse and harassment dished out at them in the guise of flirting. Enough is enough.

[danyboy27]

My friend believes that women who complain about flirting, catcalls etc. are hypocritical. If the guy were good-looking, women would be okay. Better than okay, flattered. So the conclusion is that women don't hate sexually inappropriate comments - they just hate the fact that these comments come from men they don't fancy.

I don't agree with what my friend said, but how do I make an argument against it?

Well, since your friend assumption is based on nothing but hot air, just asking on what empirical data he base his argument on will probably destroy the whole thing. My boss is a good looking women but i personally would find it extremely creepy if she would try to flirt with me all the time.

[Nox]

I agree to an extent; there is a very fine line between flirting and sexual harassment, and the man can't always be aware that what he is doing is making the woman uncomfortable, because we are generally awful at picking up hints ;)

[Ocean Seal]

If you continue doing it despite the fact that you are aware that she finds it annoying and doesn't fancy you it is harassment. Harassment is harassment because it is chronic.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I agree with the above sentiment, and also this is a rare occasion were I agree with (what at least was) Texas' law take on it: It's not sexual harassment to ask someone at the workplace out on a date the first time you ask.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Respect a woman's right to say no. If she doesn't find a guy unattractive but finds someone else attractive, that's her prerogative. Go fuck yourself if you think otherwise.

[Rafiq]

My friend believes that women who complain about flirting, catcalls etc. are hypocritical. If the guy were good-looking, women would be okay. Better than okay, flattered. So the conclusion is that women don't hate sexually inappropriate comments - they just hate the fact that these comments come from men they don't fancy.

I don't agree with what my friend said, but how do I make an argument against it?

So, if a women likes fucking attractive men, is it then okay for unnattractive men to rape her because they don't mind sex with attractive men?

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[Elysian]

So, if a women likes fucking attractive men, is it then okay for unnattractive men to rape her because they don't mind sex with attractive men?

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No, it's not okay. But isn't it a bit hypocritical?

[#FF0000]

Women don't like being harassed by attractive dudes either

[Ostrinski]

No, it's not okay. But isn't it a bit hypocritical?What is hypocritical? That a woman won't have sex with men she deems unattractive because she has sex with men she deems attractive?

[RGacky3]

So, if a women likes fucking attractive men, is it then okay for unnattractive men to rape her because they don't mind sex with attractive men?


flirting does'nt require consent, by the very nature of flirting, flirting is essencially trying to aquire consent.

[Blake's Baby]

No, it's not okay. But isn't it a bit hypocritical?

Hypocritical if agreement for sex with one person is not taken as agreement for sex with everybody?

If you agree to eat a burger, does that make you a hypocrit if you don't agree to eat rotten leper-turds?

If you agree to have your ear pierced, does that make you a hypocrit if you want to stop someone gouging out your eye with a rusty fork?

If you agree to listen to music, does that make you a hypocrit if you don't want random people to scream at you constantly?

If you have consented to read messages on this board, does that make you a hypocrit if you complain about me calling you a ridiculous, whiney, idiotic, turd-faced, small-dicked, fuck-brained, no-hope, shit-sucking arse-wipe?

You can decide.

[Elysian]

If you have consented to read messages on this board, does that make you a hypocrit if you complain about me calling you a ridiculous, whiney, idiotic, turd-faced, small-dicked, fuck-brained, no-hope, shit-sucking arse-wipe?

You can decide.

Sentence structure could have been better, lol.

Anyhow, people are digressing. The op is about flirting - women don't mind if lookers flirted with them. Their outrage is only reserved for ugly guys who flirt. This is discrimination against ugly people.

[RGacky3]

Their outrage is only reserved for ugly guys who flirt. This is discrimination against ugly people.

No its not, its just that people are not sexually attracted to ugly people, son of a *****, not everything is a civil rights issue.

[Elysian]

No its not, its just that people are not sexually attracted to ugly people, son of a *****, not everything is a civil rights issue.

Homophobic people say the same thing about homosexuality, that it isn't a civil rights issue.

[Ostrinski]

Sentence structure could have been better, lol.

Anyhow, people are digressing. The op is about flirting - women don't mind if lookers flirted with them. Their outrage is only reserved for ugly guys who flirt. This is discrimination against ugly people.That's how all people are you fucking cockroach. Men would rather be hit on by attractive women than unattractive women. It's not discrimination against ugly people because attractiveness is subjective, everyone has different standards and taste.

[Ostrinski]

Homophobic people say the same thing about homosexuality, that it isn't a civil rights issue.Which has absolutely nothing to do with this. You need to give an explanation if you're going to make ridiculous analogies.

[RGacky3]

Homophobic people say the same thing about homosexuality, that it isn't a civil rights issue.

Yes .... But they are wrong ....

Also its essencially the same, if a gay guy is hitting on me and I let him know I'm not into guys, and he still hits on me, I'd be pretty pissed ... THAT is'nt a civil rights issue either.

[Blake's Baby]

Sentence structure could have been better, lol...

There's nothing wrong with my sentence structure. However, I spelled the word 'hypocrite' without an 'e' at least 4 times.


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Anyhow, people are digressing. The op is about flirting ...

So why did you divert the thread to claim that it was OK to rape any woman who'd ever had sex?

Have you ever had sex, Elysian? If you have, but don't want some guy to fuck you in the arse, then you're a hypocrite, aren't you? You've already agreed to sex with someone, you're just discriminating against people you don't find attractive.



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women don't mind if lookers flirted with them. Their outrage is only reserved for ugly guys who flirt. This is discrimination against ugly people.

No, because different people find different things attractive. There is no 'universal ugliness'. I'd suggest you tell your 'friend' that if his flirting isn't getting him anywhere, it's not because he's ugly, it's because he's a creepy bastard. He probably smells as well.

[Elysian]

No, because different people find different things attractive. There is no 'universal ugliness'.

What if a white person says he doesn't find black guys/girls attractive?

[Blake's Baby]

What about it? Does that imply universal ugliness, are you asking? Of course it doesn't.

[Elysian]

What about it? Does that imply universal ugliness, are you asking? Of course it doesn't.

Would you be okay with a guy or girl who thinks that?

[#FF0000]

women don't mind if lookers flirted with them.

Yes they do.

[RGacky3]

Yes they do.

Some do, does'nt make it sexist, people trying to get a mate flirt.

Some guys are bothered by women that nag or flirt or do something, but that does'nt make it sexist either.


What if a white person says he doesn't find black guys/girls attractive

Id say, god bless, but your missing out.


No, because different people find different things attractive. There is no 'universal ugliness'. I'd suggest you tell your 'friend' that if his flirting isn't getting him anywhere, it's not because he's ugly, it's because he's a creepy bastard. He probably smells as well.

Actually there is somewhat, signs of health, a certain hip to waist ratio, youth in women, power in men.

But thats extremely basic and not 100% universal, but to say that sexual attraction is TOTALLY arbitrary is'nt true.

[Rafiq]

flirting does'nt require consent, by the very nature of flirting, flirting is essencially trying to aquire consent.

Asking a women for sex doesn't require consent, either.

You're missing the point. Elsyian is complaining that Women do not respond in a positive manner to unnatractive men. Responding, in my analogies case, is actually having Sex.

[RGacky3]

Asking a women for sex doesn't require consent, either.


No it does'nt .... and there is nothing wrong to ask for sex.


You're missing the point. Elsyian is complaining that Women do not respond in a positive manner to unnatractive men. Responding, in my analogies case, is actually having Sex.

I see, I thought you were making the case that flirting withsomeone without consent is akin to rape, (which is rediculous).

But Elysian making that argument, is rediculous, NO ONE, considers flirting to be sexist (at least almost no one), and people not liking it just means they don't want you, and him complaining about that is rediculous.