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Avocado
10th April 2012, 10:40
Bolsheviks Vs. Mensheviks

is this basically

Violence v Non-Violence?

or

Revolution versus Reform?

or

Absolutism versus Incrementalism?

dodger
10th April 2012, 12:01
Bolsheviks Vs. Mensheviks

is this basically

Violence v Non-Violence?

or

Revolution versus Reform?

or

Absolutism versus Incrementalism?

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This might be a pointer Avocado............:scared:

Book O'Dead
10th April 2012, 14:43
As I understand the Menshie v. Bolshie dichotomy, the Menshies asserted that no socialist revolution was possible in Russia, given its level of economic and social development, and that the best they could hope for was liberal state that would create the desired conditions to build up the proletariat enough to eventually take power, whereas the Bolshies believed that socialism was possible in Russia only if a revolutionary political party would wrest control of the state and impose a dictatorship of the proletariat via that party's control.

Zederbaum
10th April 2012, 20:42
As I understand the Menshie v. Bolshie dichotomy, the Menshies asserted that no socialist revolution was possible in Russia, given its level of economic and social development, and that the best they could hope for was liberal state that would create the desired conditions to build up the proletariat enough to eventually take power, whereas the Bolshies believed that socialism was possible in Russia only if a revolutionary political party would wrest control of the state and impose a dictatorship of the proletariat via that party's control.
Well, both the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks thought that socialist revolution wasn't on the cards until 1917, at which point Lenin led the party through an abrupt turn towards the idea that it was, much to the consternation of loads of his colleagues (Rykov, Kamenev, Nogin etc). The Mensheviks lambasted him for years afterwards for lurching towards Bakuninism, a charge echoed on the anarchist side by Berkman later on.

Even then, Lenin gambled on socialist revolution in western Europe being the basis for building socialism in Russia, though it has to be said that at times in 1917 and 1918 his rhetoric was stupidly simplistic and misleading as to the problems the country was facing and the difficulties of transitioning to socialism.

Geiseric
10th April 2012, 23:02
Bolshevism and maximalism are to Menshevism and minimalism. Menshevism is the 2 stage theory and disbelief in Perminant Revolution. Mensheviks participate in Bourgeois Governments while Bolsheviks conquer state power with the support of the Proletariat and all revolutionary workers forces.