Why does people choose capitalism insted of socialism?

[Persson121]

A simple question:
Why does people choose capitalism insted of socialism?

I mean, they vote for it. Many countries have democratcy.
After the Sovietunion's fall, everybody vote for capitalism. Why?

This century and next may be the capitalism moment?

Whay do you think?

[RedSonRising]

The people can only vote for the candidates that the ruling class puts in power, and those same people are influenced by an education system, media apparatus, and centuries of the class system embedding hierarchical social norms into their brain. Nobody "voted" for capitalism, it was a violent process of commodification that has sophisticated itself to the point that few can imagine living any other way.

[roy]

No one chooses capitalism. People are stuck in a situation where they think capitalism is the only choice.

[Bostana]

They never choose it.

They just think that they have to choose it

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Propaganda that demonizes socialism and spreads disinformation has a lot to do with public opinion.

[Drowzy_Shooter]

I sort of agree with the post above, however, I think one reason my generation's parents won't choose it is because they were entered into a smear campaign against socialism since they were first born. I've met people who still refuse to believe that communism isn't Marxism-Leninism.

[Drowzy_Shooter]

I sort of agree with the post above, however, I think one reason my generation's parents won't choose it is because they were entered into a smear campaign against socialism since they were first born. I've met people who still refuse to believe that communism isn't Marxism-Leninism.

Correction, I agree with godless. I kind of agreed with the original 3 responses.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Why do people chose capitalism instead of socialism.

I hate bad grammar.

[Comrade Jandar]

A simple question:
Why does people choose capitalism insted of socialism?

I mean, they vote for it. Many countries have democratcy.
After the Sovietunion's fall, everybody vote for capitalism. Why?

This century and next may be the capitalism moment?

Whay do you think?

Marx referred to this phenomenon as "false consciousness." Within any era or period of history, the ideas of the ruling class will dominate the society.

[Amal]

Basically due to the incapability of workers to organize and struggle. "People" are not workers and in most countries today, they are mostly made of petty-bourgeoisie which isn't a ideologically stable class and often flows with the stream.
In this website, there are some good examples. A good lot of threads are howling here "everything is capitalist, all has been achieved before isn't socialism". So far, no leader before existed who isn't "capitalist". Such threads and websites are also a cause of peoples lack of faith of socialism and socialist ideology.

[Anarcho-Brocialist]

They believe that if they can work hard they'll too become part of the aristocracy. Funny thing is, they work hard and get fucked by the bourgeoisie even harder.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

"The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control over the means of mental production, hence it rules also as producers of ideas, and regulates the production and distribution of the ideas of their age." - Karl Marx

As long as workers are intellectually colonized by bourgeois ideology, they will suffer from a false consciousness that capitalism is in their interest as a class.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

I hate bad grammar.
Perhaps the OP's native language isn't English.

[Avocado]

I think the NeoCon regimes' propaganda machines, demonise Socialism and Communism so much - that people are scared to even say the words socialism never mind communism in mainstream conversations.

I used to be much more conservative and right wing: capitalistic.
I used to think sadly that people who were out of work were there because they did not do enough to get out of the situation.
I used to think that people who were physically unable to do certain things did not deserve state help - charity yes: I rationalised this on some pathetic notion of evolutionary biology and social biology and not surviving in nature.
These and other scary thoughts I once held: but I'm not bothered about it, it was the way I thought, conditioned, gullible, naive.
So I understand why people choose Capitalism. My thoughts have changed - it happens to many as they get older.

[Amal]

They believe that if they can work hard they'll too become part of the aristocracy. Funny thing is, they work hard and get fucked by the bourgeoisie even harder.
That's what called "petty-bourgeoisie" mentality.

[Persson121]

All right. Many opinions here. Glad to hear.
Some are in good agreement and some true some not so good.

But how do you do to regain power from the people who vote for capitalism?
Should we abolish the schools because I think that today's schools teach that the revolution is wrong and so on. Then when you begin to get older in school so there is a "talk" of competition between students' "Only the best can get the job. ".

Media, I agree that it is used as a propaganda tool, but socialists also have their own media. But still, people rely on capitalist media.

We need to consider why, why people choose capitalism before socialism?

My thoughts are:
1. Capitalism / market ensures that the majority favored by capitalism so it can maintain itself as a system.
2. Media is used as a propaganda tool.
3. The school teaches up to revolution is wrong through that violence is wrong and all are equal, and therefore you can not be socialist. Then the competition is important among students.
4. The working class is fragmented and now every worker free will and ability to climb the pyramid. The more you climb so you earn more. I think it attracts people.
5. There is little support for socialism so people can not be bothered to support it. They swing with the stream.

That's what I think and it does quite well in Sweden, when 99.97% voted capitalist, and 0.03% voting socialist and socialist supporters decreases for each election.

One more thing.
Among young people there is no support for socialism. It has been investigated.
People who are around 18-30 years, they want to be political right because it it's their goal in life and these are very conscious of capitalism and socialism.
I have talked a lot among people and it's always young people who strive to be the bourgeoisie class.

Sure, they might work and they are the working class. But they support capitalism in full and on the side there is the chance that they run their own businesses or are in the policy, including financing of shares.

This group just keeps getting bigger and bigger in Sweden.
"It's Cool to Be bourgeoisie and have fancy clothes/hairstyle" They think.

[piet11111]

I never got to vote on our economic system as all party's are pro-capitalist.

[No_Leaders]

No one ever chose anything, I know I didn't and many here didn't. It's not that simple of an answer unfortunately. It boils down to what happened historically, prior to Capitalism you had Feudalism which was the system most countries had especially in Europe up until the Industrial Revolution. Once new technology came about you saw the emergence of factories, mass production, more people moving from rural farming areas to big cities for work etc. It's a system we're all 'taught' to believe in, that it's somehow fair and free. Sadly i think most Americans and people elsewhere believe Capitalism to be synonymous with Democracy which is far from true. Then we can get into the reasons it isn't changed, well both parties are pro capitalist, the fear mongering of any alternative, the corruption with big business basically funneling money to campaigns, etc. There's a lot of various effects at play as to why people accept it as 'the best' system. Mostly out of ignorance and fear tactics and just brainwashing all throughout your years of school how evil communism is and how anarchy is destruction blah blah.

[Anderson]

Because people have been made to believe that current political and economic system is something divine which has been static for long time. In our short lifetime world does not change and looks as if it has been and will remain same. The ideas of change and socialism have not reached the masses who have to bear the torture of cruel society. How many people get time to think about social good, with life spent in struggling for a better life for themselves or their family people.:(

[Persson121]

Got an idea now why the world is capitalist.
Most of the world may be middle-class? 90% ?
In my country everybody seems to be middle-class. And we can thank's the Socialdemocratic Workerparty in Sweden for making people want capitalism, insted of socialism.

[Rooster]

Propaganda that demonizes socialism and spreads disinformation has a lot to do with public opinion.

I think that depends entirely on where you live. It also probably has to do with a different and less strict defintion of what socialism is than what most people have here.

[The Intransigent Faction]

I've met people who still refuse to believe that communism isn't Marxism-Leninism.

This. No matter how many times I explain it...

[OCMO]

We can agree to the core of the ideias presented here, but we are people too. And we don't get (present time) caught in the causes that affect other people to deviate them from our ideals, so if people aren't tuning in, it's our (every tendency represented in revleft) responsability too. As i see, the great weapons to protect capitalism from revolution in the past were fascism and social-democracy. In many countries, it's almost a fact within the majority of people that dictatorship=bad (that's why i think using dotp should be used carefully depending on who you're talking to) and social-democracy is so void of meaning nowadays its politics only differ from neo-liberals in the sense they say that they feel sorry for the people they are stealing from, so the ideias of order at all cost and social welfare aren't in great use, so along with the clear cruelties of capitalism the system is fragile and the left should be rising.

If that isn't the case, we are doing something wrong, and that's is why self-critique is so important. If the organizations you take part in aren't getting bigger and/or getting more support from the working class, evaluation of strategy is required. That the system works to sustain itself we already know, the challenge is to beat the system even in that conditions.

[TrotskistMarx]

Because most people in most countries with capitalist governments of this world are ruled by TV. Jim Morrison of The Doors said humans are ruled by television: "Did you know that we are ruled by TV.?" -Jim Morrison, The Doors. And indeed most TV channels of capitalist countries preach a pro-capitalism, anti-socialism worldview. And the TV has great mind-manipulating effect on people. Until socialist labor parties rise to government-power and takeover the media, we won't see the majority of people of this world voluntarily supporting socialist workers parties, over capitalist parties. Unless there is a big big crisis, like chicken prices rising to 50 dollars per pound, gasoline to 200 dollars a gallon and a pizza to 300 dollars per pizza in USA maybe a super-inflation crisis might sway people to support socialist marxist political parties, over capitalist traditional political parties.


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A simple question:
Why does people choose capitalism insted of socialism?

I mean, they vote for it. Many countries have democratcy.
After the Sovietunion's fall, everybody vote for capitalism. Why?

This century and next may be the capitalism moment?

Whay do you think?

[Anderson]

Got an idea now why the world is capitalist.
Most of the world may be middle-class? 90% ?
In my country everybody seems to be middle-class. And we can thank's the Socialdemocratic Workerparty in Sweden for making people want capitalism, insted of socialism.

With first world economies turning more and more into mall economies with gradual reduction in the working class population and world production shifting to third world, no wonder people in first world will conclude that their entire country made of middle class !!:)

[Avocado]

Got an idea now why the world is capitalist.
Most of the world may be middle-class? 90% ?


I'm sure most Asians, South Americans and Africans would disagree with you.
'Wealth' is disproportionately allocated across the globe in favour of North Americans and Europeans.

[Persson121]

With first world economies turning more and more into mall economies with gradual reduction in the working class population and world production shifting to third world, no wonder people in first world will conclude that their entire country made of middle class !!:)

But in my country we are far far away from socialism and we walk further away from it every year.
We don't have "the working class" or "proletarian class" now.
Yes i know people working but all classes is mix togheter.
It is impossible to sort out who's underclass, mid and upper class.
One would think that people who drive a new Cadillac or Mercedes is upper class, but it might be a worker too. So it is impossible to distinguish between them.

Let me explain at this way. We say that someone want no war, but class war. Everybody gonna say and think:
- He is a Nazi?
or
- He is a bully?

You might be punch by Swedish people if you want other people bad economy.
For an example (who happen IRL).
"Klass mot Klass" (Class aginst class) is a group that organized bus trips-safari to communities where rich people live. It need not be great capitalists, there were only people who are rich.
The group was reported to the police and now all Swedes against the group beacuse thay has spread hate, the Swedes say in the media.

I don't know what do to anymore. The socialism has fail in Sweden and it seems never come back - ever.