CPGB-ML: A Reactionary Pary?

[Woodsman]

The CPGB-ML proudly claims to be anti-revisionist, which by their definition means an extreme and irrational form of anti-imperialism. Not only do they not appear to support any actual Marxist-Leninist government they go so far as to support the religious fundamentalist elements of the Iraqi and Palestinian resistance, Mugabe (a man who has expressed sympathy for Hitler), Saddam's Iraq, the state capitalism of China and the Juche state in North Korea which has rejected Marxism-Leninism entirely. Are they anti-revisionists or just anti-imperialist reactionaries?

[Sir Comradical]

Wait, you think anti-imperialism is reactionary?

[Woodsman]

no I think anti-imperialist religious fanatics and fascists are

[CommieTroll]

Wait, you think anti-imperialism is reactionary?

He's talking about blindly supporting the notion of ''anti-imperialism'' which is used by many groups as an excuse to retain their rule or to build support. Revisionists in the CPGB-ML lobby to defend the Kim's of Korea and truly believe that The DPRK regime is attempting to build Socialism in Korea. Groups such as FARC, The PIRA (along with other Irish republican groups), Gaddafi before the Libyan ''revolution'' claim to be anti-imperialist to retain their rule or build support, it's simple. Blind anti-imperialists support reactionary and revisionist governments and groups, the current state of Iran is a good example, reactionary religious tendencies such as the one's mentioned by the OP are evident in Iran, along with Cuba and the DPRK.

[Nox]

Aren't they the dingbats who parade around London on VE day with a giant picture of Stalin?

[CommieTroll]

Aren't they the dingbats who parade around London on VE day with a giant picture of Stalin?

The one and only.....

[L.A.P.]

The CPGB-ML are a bunch of party buearacrats and intelligenstia who are basically a front for the Korean Worker's Party and Communist Party of China. Their idea of class struggle is to constantly kiss North Korea and China's ass and doing activism for the most bankrupt "anti-imperialism".

[KurtFF8]

The CPGB-ML proudly claims to be anti-revisionist, which by their definition means an extreme and irrational form of anti-imperialism. Not only do they not appear to support any actual Marxist-Leninist government they go so far as to support the religious fundamentalist elements of the Iraqi and Palestinian resistance, Mugabe (a man who has expressed sympathy for Hitler), Saddam's Iraq, the state capitalism of China and the Juche state in North Korea which has rejected Marxism-Leninism entirely. Are they anti-revisionists or just anti-imperialist reactionaries?


no I think anti-imperialist religious fanatics and fascists are

It doesn't exactly seem that you're interested in having an honest discussion here. Much of the language you have used here is quite loaded with assumptions and already contains jabs at the organization you're trying to discuss.

It also seems you have developed an opinion on these things which makes me think your OP is rhetorical.

I'm not trying to defend or oppose the CPGB here, just pointing out that this method of "asking questions" is what leads to tendency flame wars on this site.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

They are a caricature of marxism- leninism (and this is coming from a non-m-l) and I like them, for they have tremendous entertainment value.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Aren't they the dingbats who parade around London on VE day with a giant picture of Stalin?

That is actually the one thing they should be proud of. I would do the same thing. There is nothing wrong with parading around with the portrait of the hero who destroyed the fascist imperialists and helped the partisans of Eastern Europe establish dictatorships of the proletariat in their respective nations. Whether you agree with Stalin's politics or not, you cannot deny the fact that he is a war hero.

[Deicide]

They support North Korea and the Communist Party of China. They're a bunch of loons that are helping to discredit Communism by worshipping mass murderers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/May_Day_in_London.jpg

Lunatics.

[Railyon]

portrait of the hero who destroyed the fascist imperialists

Carrying around several million portraits sounds impractical to me, indeed.

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

That is actually the one thing they should be proud of. I would do the same thing. There is nothing wrong with parading around with the portrait of the hero who destroyed the fascist imperialists and helped the partisans of Eastern Europe establish dictatorships of the proletariat in their respective nations. Whether you agree with Stalin's politics or not, you cannot deny the fact that he is a war hero.

He chewed up Nazi's with his teeth. He pushed over German tanks with his own two fists. :lol:

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Carrying around several million portraits sounds impractical to me, indeed.

Obviously, the millions of soldiers who fought and died for the Allies are the true heroes, but Stalin is also a war hero because he led the most successful front and the front that was for true liberation.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I would say that Stalin is one of the most important war heroes of WWII.

[Grenzer]

That is actually the one thing they should be proud of. I would do the same thing. There is nothing wrong with parading around with the portrait of the hero who destroyed the fascist imperialists and helped the partisans of Eastern Europe establish dictatorships of the proletariat in their respective nations. Whether you agree with Stalin's politics or not, you cannot deny the fact that he is a war hero.

Why?

It seems like needless glorification of an individual and a form of pseudo-religious hero worship. This is exactly the kind of worship of the individual that Marx was against.

The notion that Stalin is some kind of "war hero" is also quite laughable. I guess I must have missed the story where he killed 15 Nazis with his mustache. After receiving news of the invasion, Stalin cowered under his desk for some time like a frightened child while the task of organizing defensive measures and rallying the nation fell to others. This doesn't sound like the action of a hero to me.

This kind of historical distortion is on par for Stalinists I'm afraid.

[Luc]

They support North Korea and the Communist Party of China. They're a bunch of loons that are discrediting Communism by worshipping mass murderers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/May_Day_in_London.jpg

Lunatics.

what is with those tabards?

[Tim Cornelis]

Stalin imposed idiotic policies on the military (executing 'retreaters'), he was a terrible military commander. Saying Stalin liberated the East from nazism is tantamount to arguing that entrepreneurs keep the economy running, in reality it is the soldiers and workers that do the actual job.

I just came along a group on revleft that supports Mugabe for his anti-imperialism despite him being an imperialist himself (http://www.revleft.com/vb/support-mugabe-and-t170118/index.html?p=2411766#post2411766) with 43 members (!).

Many anti-imperialists seem to have no clue what imperialism is and think imperialism is exclusively Western.

[Rooster]

They're a classic example of what happens when you divorce yourself from a materialist method. They'll fly the banner for any state that waves red flags or puts up a front to the US. They could claim to be all sorts of things but that still doesn't make them anti-revisionist or anti-imperialist when they're still supporting north korea and china.

[Kassad]

You all need to shut up. The Stalin Society is legit as fuck.

[Nox]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/May_Day_in_London.jpg

Is it just me or does that guy in the navy trousers look like Miliband (Labour party leader)

[Prometeo liberado]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/May_Day_in_London.jpg

Is it just me or does that guy in the navy trousers look like Miliband (Labour party leader)

That real tragedy about this is that they can muster up a bigger crowd than most leftist organizations in the states.:(

[The Idler]

Where does their leader get the funds to jet off to Libya?

[Comrade Samuel]

They support North Korea and the Communist Party of China. They're a bunch of loons that are helping to discredit Communism by worshipping mass murderers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/May_Day_in_London.jpg

Lunatics.


When did the phrases "lunatics" and "people showing their respect for a great leader" become synonyms?

Of corse north korea and china a capitalist shit-holes today and supporting them and acting like they are workers paradises is the most ignorant thing you can possibly do but that's irrelevant when your main critique is based around your stalinphobia

[Deicide]

@Idler Their leader (or chairman) is a businessman from India.

[dodger]

They are a caricature of marxism- leninism (and this is coming from a non-m-l) and I like them, for they have tremendous entertainment value.

nailed that one, Panglossian!..:thumbup:

[Per Levy]

That is actually the one thing they should be proud of. I would do the same thing. There is nothing wrong with parading around with the portrait of the hero who destroyed the fascist imperialists and helped the partisans of Eastern Europe establish dictatorships of the proletariat in their respective nations. Whether you agree with Stalin's politics or not, you cannot deny the fact that he is a war hero.

stalin was a lot but not a "hero" let alone a "war hero", seriously every soviet soldier who fought in the war is more of an hero then stalin ever could be.

also what was established in the states the soviet liberated were puppet regimes and not dictatorships of the proletariat, the workers had no say in things, it wasnt their dictatorship.

[bricolage]

Aren't they the dingbats who parade around London on VE day with a giant picture of Stalin?
may day not ve day.

get your cameras ready, less than a month to go!

[Tim Cornelis]

When did the phrases "lunatics" and "people showing their respect for a great leader" become synonyms?

Of corse north korea and china a capitalist shit-holes today and supporting them and acting like they are workers paradises is the most ignorant thing you can possibly do but that's irrelevant when your main critique is based around your stalinphobia

Great leader? Could you explain what made him "great."

The fact that there is any leader tantamount to a president in a supposedly DOTP is enough to show it was not a DOTP at all.

[dodger]

The CPGB-ML. Please approach with caution. Any sudden movements are likely to cause panic. They are an entirely harmless species. On the endangered list. their leader is quite advanced in years but has a competent son to take over the reins. I was once attacked by several of their members for falling asleep during a meeting. They bore me no lasting ill-will sharing a delicious curry with me. It pains me to see them under attack, equally being defended. Bricolage, hurrah for common sense, get the cameras and 'bins' out. Another tick in the box. One of many, frankly daft, political parties and groups that inhabit the British scene. Litter the perfect landscape? Don't think so.

Another night, another outfit.Trotsky's deathmask along with the main speaker still chills me to the bone. "We know there are policemen here, and we know who they are!!" His finger which had traced along every row seemed to stop at my row and be directly pointing at me. Complete strangers sat either side of me inched their chairs away from me like I was a Pariah. Neither would make eye contact. Even the mask was staring at me. Oh crumbs! Evidently his pause for dramatic effect was the signal to go into a Tsunami of abuse, at an alphabet soup of organizations that lacked his political clarity. A woman I met there on learning I worked on the tube and lived in Kilburn invited me to sell papers at the Victoria clock tower, Saturday morning.. I said yes.

I stood her up, just wanted to be able to say I had said no to Vanessa Redgrave. Besides Wifey No 1 was one of the most suspicious women on the planet. Now that crowd were creepy! Warpies, we called them.Does that ring any bells?