Personifying fate

[Elysian]

You take birth in a certain place, a certain family, live in certain circumstances over which you may have little or no control. Do you call this fate, not as a philosophical doctrine, but at least for convenience's sake? Are you so affected by it that you begin to personify it?

[Ele'ill]

You take birth in a certain place, a certain family, live in certain circumstances over which you may have little or no control. Do you call this fate, not as a philosophical doctrine, but at least for convenience's sake? Are you so affected by it that you begin to personify it?

What?

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Fate does not exist. The universe does not care about you. You are not a special, individual snowflake. This isn't a pessimistic view, just a realistic view. Enjoy your life. Don't worry about destiny, fate, etc.

[Ele'ill]

Oh, I think that we really appreciate our own experiences and our own family and stuff especially as we get older and distance ourselves from it so it's a kind of memory once we're on our own but no I don't think as an example 'my life' has become some iconic meaningful event.

[Ele'ill]

I'd actually say that a 'meaningless' existence while mind boggling is easier to take than having some never ending fantasy movie purpose. THAT would be stressful and tiresome and drive one insane.

[Red Rabbit]

Fate is 3 old women weaving a tapestry.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Read The Open Boat by Stephen Crane (http://www.online-literature.com/crane/2544/). Good story on the non-existence of god, fate, etc.

[Ele'ill]

Or The Dark Tower by Stephen King for another take on things

[Astarte]

For many millenium civilizations have been personifying fate via the gods they associated with the stars which according to the sumerians, akkadians, babylonians, assyrians, greeks, romans, egyptians, hindus, chinese, etc dictated all aspects of one's "fate" on earth according to the various positions they held in the sky.

[Ostrinski]

Who cares. Drink, smoke, fight, fuck, break shit, have fun.

[Revolution starts with U]

There is no fate or coincedence. There is only being now.

But yes... I have used the word "fate" to describe certain situations.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

The concept of fate is just an excuse and scapegoat ignorant humanity made for its problems. People can easily blame bad things that happen to them due to their own fault on fate. Did you ever read Romeo and Juliet, where Romeo kills Tybalt and he starts whining about fate and saying "I defy you stars!" and blah blah blah?

Even though he was the one who caused Tybalt to stab Mercutio, which in reality caused the fight and thus made it Romeo's fault.

[Prometeo liberado]

I like the quote from 1984. "We are the dead." Kinda sums it up right there.

[WanderingCactus]

This is all super deep.

[Elysian]

The concept of fate is just an excuse and scapegoat ignorant humanity made for its problems. People can easily blame bad things that happen to them due to their own fault on fate. Did you ever read Romeo and Juliet, where Romeo kills Tybalt and he starts whining about fate and saying "I defy you stars!" and blah blah blah?

Even though he was the one who caused Tybalt to stab Mercutio, which in reality caused the fight and thus made it Romeo's fault.

What about a guy taking birth in a royal family as opposed to a guy taking birth to a starving peasant?

[Revolution starts with U]

It happened so it was supposed to happen is a tautology

[Brosa Luxemburg]

What about a guy taking birth in a royal family as opposed to a guy taking birth to a starving peasant?

Coincidence, a random occurrence, etc.

[Elysian]

Coincidence, a random occurrence, etc.

So the former is lucky, the latter not so much. Some people may call this fate. It's all semantics.

[The Jay]

You take birth in a certain place, a certain family, live in certain circumstances over which you may have little or no control. Do you call this fate, not as a philosophical doctrine, but at least for convenience's sake? Are you so affected by it that you begin to personify it?

I call it coincidence. No I do not personify it.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

So the former is lucky, the latter not so much. Some people may call this fate. It's all semantics.

No, it's not all semantics. If you attribute this to "fate" you believe in a supernatural force that guides people's lives. If you attribute this to coincidence, random acts, etc. you do not believe in the supernatural definition.

The belief in "fate" has been used to dupe people into believing a king was divinely chosen to rule, that the rich were given their riches by some supernatural power, etc.

[Anderson]

For the socially and economically deprived sections of society who have been deprived of good education, good life it is understandable that they will have strong beliefs in fate and religion (also reinforced by ruling classes to prevent any rebellion)

But also the majority people in better off sections believe in fate, astrology etc.

All this because the bourgeois philosophies (and not Dialectical Materialism) are dominant in all sections of society.:(

[Railyon]

What about a guy taking birth in a royal family as opposed to a guy taking birth to a starving peasant?
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All that needs to be said really.

[Deicide]

The OP is further and further descending into madness with every new thread.

[Elysian]

The OP is further and further descending into madness with every new thread.

Says the guy with that avatar, lol.

[dodger]

i SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING............Elysian....It's all coming together, starting to make perfect sense! What's been a drag anchor, held me back, kept back, held, held up, tipexed out, turned in,washed up, wasted,
blacked out, bottled up, chastened, checked, controlled ,cooled off, corked, crushed, blighted curbed, gridlocked, hindered, held back, inhibited, jammed up,jammed in, kept in, kept in check, kept under wraps, mastered, muffled, overcome, blasted out,overpowered, quashed, quelched, quelled, reined in, restrained, shushed, silenced, simmer downed, smothered, squelched, stifled, subdued, subjugated, suppressed, swallowed up, thrown cold water on, torn up, defied, defiled, kept out, kept down, overturned, spiked, thwarted, having a name like DODGER!!!!!! Why did they do that to me????? They must have really hated me. I always knew they resented me.........in their grave, laughing at the joke they played on me, calling me Dodger. Can't be helped, impossible to lift the curse, it was my fate to be called Dodger....it was preordained. At least now I know what held me back...the reason I have no friends....except you Elysian!!! You understand me..don't you!