Lets say if Christianity (or the Abrahamic paradigm in general) is true...

[Hexen]

How different would our world be if let's say Christianity and other Abrahamic faiths like Judaism and Islam are true? For one I heard before that Communism (and egalitarianism in general) would be pretty much impossible if it were true.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Then a petty, immature, jealous, homophobic, xenophobic, murderous, and genocidal asshole would rule the world and everything would be horrible. Good thing it's all fake.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Forgot to mention sexist.

[Hexen]

Then a petty, immature, jealous, homophobic, xenophobic, murderous, and genocidal asshole would rule the world and everything would be horrible. Good thing it's all fake.

Not only that.....

Also if humans being really came from Adam & Eve, how different would our race would have been?

[ВАЛТЕР]

We would be under an invisible dictator, where you have no free will. Unlike what they want you to believe. If there is a God and he knows past, present, and future. Then there is no free will, since he already knows what you will do before you do it. Which means that everyone has a fate.

Personally, I'd commit blasphemy out of spite...

[Caj]

We'd have to abolish God.

[Hexen]

Of course what I actually meant that since if all humans came from Adam & Eve and if all women came from Eve...What does this mean for women (a feminist question here)?

[roy]

You guys are cynical. I would like to be able to talk to animals and plants.

[Optiow]

It means nothing to me. I won't renounce class struggle just because God exists.

[Zostrianos]

If it were true, Christians would have a better quality of life than the average person, be healthier, richer, etc...and they'd be able to perform wonders:

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." (Matthew 17:20)

And I'm glad organized Christianity isn't true, for if it were, I'd be going to hell :crying:...A fear based religion, with a profoundly immoral system where your religious beliefs determine whether you suffer for eternity or go to heaven...Gods, I hope it's not really true :crying:

[Left Leanings]

We would be under an invisible dictator, where you have no free will. Unlike what they want you to believe. If there is a God and he knows past, present, and future. Then there is no free will, since he already knows what you will do before you do it. Which means that everyone has a fate.

Personally, I'd commit blasphemy out of spite...

The Christian god is not only supposedly omnipresent and omniscient, but omnipotent and all-loving as well. If this is so, then why the horrors of the world, why the suffering? People come up with the lame excuse of human free will. But if 'all things are possible with god' as the Christians claim, then humans could have both free will AND no suffering. Surely an all-loving, all-powerful god could do this.

God - he/she/it, does not, of course, exist. It's purely a human invention. But if such a deity did exist and he had all the said attributes, I would do more than blaspheme. I would outright reject him/her/it, and want to offload a mouthful of spit in their direction.


If it were true, Christians would have a better quality of life than the average person, be healthier, richer, etc...and they'd be able to perform wonders:

"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." (Matthew 17:20)

And I'm glad organized Christianity isn't true, for if it were, I'd be going to hell :crying:...A fear based religion, with a profoundly immoral system where your religious beliefs determine whether you suffer for eternity or go to heaven...Gods, I hope it's not really true :crying:

Yes, the holy flock are supposed to be able to work wonders, aren't they. The gift of healing, for example. How odd then, that humankind have had to develop medicine and systems of healthcare, with such wonderful faith-healers around haha.

And the Christian morality is an immature morality. Be good and obey god, or else you are punished or rewarded. It's the morality of the playground. By way of illustration, a child can be prevented from pulling another child's hair by one: threat of parental punishment (go to your room, sort of thing); or parental reward (you get sweets/candy sort of thing).

But the mature moral reason not to pull another child's hair, is because it hurts them.

[Dave B]

Actually this interpretation that the Christian god was interventionist, omnipresent and omniscient in the material world has not been and for some even today is not the only theological interpretation.

The omnipresent and omniscient viewpoint was obviously favoured by the ruling class as a justification of the status quo with the divine right of kings and the ‘Leninist’ autocratic “democratic centralism” of the catholic church in the feudal era etc.

And its variation in capitalism of the Calvinistic providential grace with economic success being one sign of divine interventionist favour etc etc.

The alternative ‘christian’ theological interpretation is sometimes called ‘dualism’; although within it is a range or spectrum of viewpoints.


The idea is that the world we live in is the product of a fusion and co-existence of two supernatural powers ie God and Satan. And thus that God does not have total control over the material world and if you like responsibility for everything that goes on in it.

One of the most historically notable examples of dualism were the Cathars in southern France who were massacred in a prolonged and bloody Roman Catholic organised crusade and inquisition etc circa 1200 AD.

Apart from the Cathars viewpoints on sexual equality, opposition to the corruption of organised religion of Roman Catholicism and an anti rich and pro poor perspective.

They also took an extreme view that the entire concrete material world was under the control and a manifestation of Satan.

And thus it was Satan who to all intents and purposes ruled the material world.

For what it matters there is actually some theological justification for that in the gospel documents.

Eg as it is put in the temptation of Jesus thing where the devil claims that all the wealth and power of the world had been handed over to him and that he could give it to whoever he choose etc.

Luke 4;3 – 7

[And in fact it is implicit in the gospel documents that when it came to material rewards etc it wasn’t god looking after his own, apart from the exceptional miracles.]

And there is stuff scattered around elsewhere eg John 18;36, without wanting to go into a bible lesson.

Some current christian sects still hold to that kind of interpretation.

The idea also has some resemblance perhaps to the Platonic or neo platonic ideas about the ‘Demiurge’ etc.

And there can be seen elements of platonic thought in the gospel documents and there was certainly an interest in it amongst some of the early christians eg Justin the Martyr circa 120 AD and Origen circa 220 AD.

Although later the idea that there was some kind of theological connection between Christianity and Platonism was deemed high heresy and stamped out.

One of the other early heresies and a source of very early christian ‘goings on’ was Marcionism circa 140 AD.

Who appeared to put forward the related idea that the interventionist Old Testament ‘god’ was clearly a complete bastard (true enough, mostly) and therefore couldn’t have anything to do with the Anarcho-Communist JC who came along later.

Most of that material comes from the pathological rants against it from later christainity. The amount of time and effort they spent on it was probably some indication of the contemporary attraction and popularity of the idea.


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[dodger]

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Let's make this Secular Law.

YOU WONT SEE GOD FOR DUST!!

[Marcus Clayman]

Anyway, Im of the assumption that God does exist and Christianity is true, so I would necissarily believe the world would be just as it is. As for why there are these percieved inconsistencies with the presence of so called "evil" in a world that was suposedly created by a most merciful, good and just God. I don't know, but am familiar with a few theological arguments that have shaped modern christian philosophy. They are somewhat off topic and seem like they would be unwelcome so I'll keep that to myself, but would like to just say one thing: that the above comment about dualism being the necissary justification for such percieved inconsistencies in the world, ais not a necissary conclusion. Many theologians have argued against dualism. Augustine, who appealed to dualism in his younger years, later in his life formed a strong theological argument, more than a thousand years before calvin was born, that has since shaped christian philosophy. It is common to percieve evil, not as a presence of something, like demons or the devil, but as a lack of something, that is, goodness, which invites the presence of hypothetical "evil spirits." But all the christian assumptions, the all powerful God, creating evertyhing, good and just, and full of mercy, simply does not make room for an equally powerful Devil, embodying GOd's opposite characteristics. Binary thinking, has really got to go.

As for egalitarianism being impossible if a hypothetical God existed, I would wonder that, many percieve this non-existent God as most oppressive. But is the world not fostering much oppression? whether or not there is a God, and whether or not such a God is responsible for said oppression, if oppression is unjust, and I believe it is, as much as I believe in God, Jesus and the Desciples, then we are charged as Christians, followers of a God that we believe is just, to stand up against injustice, not to use theological copouts to avoid action, as some so called believers seem to do. And some of those theological copouts can be seen above, from critics of believers. These are a product of using gods name in vain, and as seen above, in the tablet pdf, using gods name for one's own agenda.

I don't know what god is, and am honest about not knowing if God is... but I have faith, and am not afraid to discuss such things... i think that God is just, and liberating, not oppressive, and that when God's will is done on earth, as it is in heaven, all of our current struggles for equality and justice, will culminate, and we will be able to see, the good fruits of what we are fighting for. and that whether or not you believe in a god, can really be used as an argument about whether or not arbitrary power over another human being, or profit centered distruction of the planet, or whatever, are justifiable.

[Astarte]

It would be a lot different - Satan is still the "Earthbound" one and lord of Earth-life - straight up Christian gnosticism, yo'... Rather, if it wasn't true, just to play devil's advocate, I would expect there to be no male and female, no night and day, no birth and death - that is no binary reality but only monolithic permanency...

[Franz Fanonipants]

The world would look the same cus :Dit is right sorry bros

[Rafiq]

Then you'd have a whole fuckload of problems, in regards to reality, our existence (in that we could not exist).

In what way do you ask? Within the constraint of us, the various scientific laws, etc. Or in some fantasy land as a direct projection of X abrahamic text? If the latter, than capitalism could have never existed, and we would be living in Feudalism(around 700a.d.) , as social relations can not evolve and there is no dynamic in the movement of matter.

Really, it's a dumb question.

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[Ostrinski]

God does exist, but not as an actual entity that dwells within the realm of existence. God is a social phenomenon, not an astrophysical one. God as an idea has a different relationship to each society for the same reason that every other idea does the same.