what is your position on algeria?

[queennzinga]

revolutionary history aside, do you consider the national liberation front to be an authentic government and part of global resistance against the west who implement socialism to the best of their ability? i cant seem to find much good current info

[honest john's firing squad]

The FLN are a bourgeois party through-and-through, devoid of any "revolutionary" or "progressive" character they may have once had. There are no attempts to "implement socialism" in Algeria at present, nor have there ever been any.

[honest john's firing squad]

P.S. a quick read of their wikipedia page should clear up any doubts you might have about the FLN's thoroughly bourgeois character:

The war for independence continued until March 1962, when the French government finally signed the Évian Accords, a cease-fire agreement with the FLN. [...] Full independence followed, and the FLN seized control of the country. Political opposition in the form of the MNA and Communist organizations was outlawed, and Algeria was constituted as a one-party state. The FLN became its only legal and ruling party.
The organization committed itself to Socialism, but understood this along the lines of Arab Socialism, and opposed doctrinaire Marxism. The existence of different classes in Algerian society was generally rejected

[islandmilitia]

I'm currently reading a book recently brought out by the publishing house of the ISO called Ours to Master and to Own, which is a history on workers' control in various contexts, in the form of an edited volume, and there is a chapter on post-independence Algeria that you might find interesting. There was a strong movement for workers' control in Algeria (or self-management, auto-gestation) in the period immediately after independence, particularly in those agricultural enterprises that were taken over by their workers when the pieds-noir owners decided to flee to France when faced with the prospect of the independence movement coming to power. For a time, the government under Ben Bella took an accepting (even supportive) policy towards the movement for workers' control, but the movement faced repression when Ben Bella was overthrown in 1965.

Fun fact: The Trotskyist Michel Pablo advised the Bella government on the formulation of its laws for self-management, and whilst the PCF took an openly chauvinistic position towards the independence movement, French Trotskyists and other revolutionaries outside of the PCF risked their lives smuggling money and guns to the FLN. In many respects, the Algerian struggle was a fine moment for Trotskyism.

[black magick hustla]

lol

[Geiseric]

FLN are fucking bastards, they did a coup over an islamist government that was voted in. The next step for the Algerian proletariat would be a constituent assembly to level the playing field between FLN and the Workers Party. Organs of dual power are also being built in Algeria with the name "Popular," or "Community," assemblies but in reality they're operating pretty much like Soviets.

With the election coming up, the workers party has a very good chance of getting a huge voter turnout. The 4th International section (I think it's called something like PKE) is also growing at a huge rate, in the last election they had several thousand people try to join it.

[Rafiq]

FLN are fucking bastards, they did a coup over an islamist government that was voted in. The next step for the Algerian proletariat would be a constituent assembly to level the playing field between FLN and the Workers Party. Organs of dual power are also being built in Algeria with the name "Popular," or "Community," assemblies but in reality they're operating pretty much like Soviets.

With the election coming up, the workers party has a very good chance of getting a huge voter turnout. The 4th International section (I think it's called something like PKE) is also growing at a huge rate, in the last election they had several thousand people try to join it.

The FLN are bastards for forming a coup against Islamists?

1. The FLN have been increasingly Islamist, anyway

2. Islamists are a class enemy in nature, comparable to Fascists.

[Rafiq]

The FLN after the war with France were fucking assholes, yes...

[The Idler]

revolutionary history aside, do you consider the national liberation front to be an authentic government and part of global resistance against the west who implement socialism to the best of their ability? i cant seem to find much good current info
Why should we resist the west anymore than any other direction on the compass?

[Geiseric]

I wasn't defending the Islamists, but they did a coup over a group that was democratically elected. They are dangerous, and this sparked a civil war that left 250,000 people dead.

[Rafiq]

I wasn't defending the Islamists, but they did a coup over a group that was democratically elected. They are dangerous, and this sparked a civil war that left 250,000 people dead.

I don't care if X reactionary force is democratically elected, they must be deposed. Just because X entity is more popular doesn't make it less shit.

[Geiseric]

The FLN isn't who should replace them though, again i'm not supporting them nor the Islamists. But a coup that sparks a civil war isn't something that we should support.

The Islamist government was progressive in the aspect that it was actually voted in. FLN are just imperialist puppets, who don't allow any democracy at all. In the aspect that they rig elections and rule the country like despots I support the workers party against them.

It isn't important that it was an Islamist party, the point is that they did a coup over a technically democratically elected government and started the Civil War. I don't support the Islamists, I support the Workers Party. If Islamists ran again I wouldn't support them, but I also wouldn't support a coup over it.

[Anderson]

The FLN are a bourgeois party through-and-through, devoid of any "revolutionary" or "progressive" character they may have once had. There are no attempts to "implement socialism" in Algeria at present, nor have there ever been any.

I also agree, FLN are a bourgeois party and to start with their actions of becoming the only legal political party and outlawing all other opposition, also means it had lot of feudal elements in its leadership. It is quite unfortunate that all the independence movements of colonies resulted in power being transferred not to the people but to the feudal and bourgeois forces who continued close ties with the imperialists.:(

[Ocean Seal]

I wasn't defending the Islamists, but they did a coup over a group that was democratically elected. They are dangerous, and this sparked a civil war that left 250,000 people dead.
lol. Good one.

[honest john's firing squad]

I also agree, FLN are a bourgeois party and to start with their actions of becoming the only legal political party and outlawing all other opposition, also means it had lot of feudal elements in its leadership. It is quite unfortunate that all the independence movements of colonies resulted in power being transferred not to the people but to the feudal and bourgeois forces who continued close ties with the imperialists.:(
Where are you getting this "feudal" nonsense from?