Miliband Steals Cameron's Slogan: "We are all in this together"

[Left Leanings]

I couldn't help but laugh when I read this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9186818/Miliband-steals-Camerons-slogan-We-are-all-in-this-together.html

Apparently, Labour leader Miliband has stolen Tory leader Cameron's catchphrase, 'we are all in this together'. By which they mean, of course, the country must pull together at times of austerity (otherwise known as the poor get trampled on, and the rich get richer).

I thought, how ironic. Because they are indeed in it together. Both Labour and Tory serve and suck up to capital. They are the bosses puppets, helping the rich and powerful fleece the workers, just as the knights helped the kings in days of old.

Labour, Tory, same old story... :laugh:

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

And Clegg and the Limp Dems sit like eager puppies at their feet waiting to see whose leg they'll need to hump to get a sniff of power come next election.

...just wish we, the electorate, would get some sense and backbone and abandon these parties.

[Deicide]

Wasn't Milibands dad a marxist theorist? What happened to that..

[ed miliband]

Wasn't Milibands dad a marxist theorist? What happened to that..


i mean yeah, his dad was a marxist intellectual and he essentially said that it would be impossible for the labour party be a vehicle for socialism because they were so bound by the parliamentary system, but his politics were always labour left/eurocommunist.

[Hit The North]

i mean yeah, his dad was a marxist intellectual and he essentially said that it would be impossible for the labour party be a vehicle for socialism because they were so bound by the parliamentary system, but his politics were always labour left/eurocommunist.

So the joke that used to go around was "Ralph Miliband argued that the Labour Party would never serve the interests of the working class and now his son has become leader so he can prove it."

[LeftAtheist]

So the joke that used to go around was "Ralph Miliband argued that the Labour Party would never serve the interests of the working class and now his son has become leader so he can prove it."

I heard some Labour representative say that Labour was the party of the working class the other day. I nearly spat out my drink.

[Left Leanings]

So the joke that used to go around was "Ralph Miliband argued that the Labour Party would never serve the interests of the working class and now his son has become leader so he can prove it."

Haha yeah.

The idea that the Labour Party can be a vehicle for socialism and serve the interests of the working class, is a joke.

I spent my late teens/early twenties as a Labour member. I was one of the so-called 'loony left', who tried my hardest to shove it in a leftwards direction.

When the brutal Poll Tax was introduced by Thatcher, the local branch stalwarts, the council leader etc, backed Neil Kinnocks's position that people should pay up, and the organized non-payers were castigated.

When asked what she thought of the non-payers, one branch official had this terribly sophisticated critique of them: "they're just idiots". Then came the witchunt against Militant (now The Socialist Party), which was at that time, a group within Labour.

People join Labour thinking they can change it. Truth is, it changes them.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

I heard some Labour representative say that Labour was the party of the working class the other day. I nearly spat out my drink.

Some of them def believe that...they think that somehow those values are imbedded in the party, like DNA or some bullshit like that.

As soon as clause 4 was dropped and Kinnock started 'modernising' and kissing up to middle and upper classes, the party ceased to be for the working class.

[LeftAtheist]

Some of them def believe that...they think that somehow those values are imbedded in the party, like DNA or some bullshit like that.

I have a friend (more of a friend of a friend, really), who's a really enthusiastic member of the Labour party, and really seems to believe it can improve the lot of workers. It really staggers me, because even before I came to revolutionary politics, I never thought of the Labour party as anything particularly brilliant.

Oh and for extra lulz, the guy's named after Karl Marx.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

I have a friend (more of a friend of a friend, really), who's a really enthusiastic member of the Labour party, and really seems to believe it can improve the lot of workers. It really staggers me, because even before I came to revolutionary politics, I never thought of the Labour party as anything particularly brilliant.

Oh and for extra lulz, the guy's named after Karl Marx.


As Bart Simpson once remarked, 'The ironing is delicious'

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

The Labour Party was formed as a Trade Union party...so even if it was a pro-working class party originally, it was NEVER a pro-Socialist party. It was always the party of the labour bureaucrats rather than of the actual workers.

Really, the Labour Party can be seen as an incredibly smart move by the British bourgeoisie in history. As a party, it has sucked in so much false consciousness and raised so many false hopes, the labour movement is a shell in this country and the Labour Party bear so much blame for that. The worst type of wrynecks.

[Hit The North]

The Labour Party was formed as a Trade Union party...so even if it was a pro-working class party originally, it was NEVER a pro-Socialist party. It was always the party of the labour bureaucrats rather than of the actual workers.

Really, the Labour Party can be seen as an incredibly smart move by the British bourgeoisie in history. As a party, it has sucked in so much false consciousness and raised so many false hopes, the labour movement is a shell in this country and the Labour Party bear so much blame for that. The worst type of wrynecks.

Yeah, but despite being the supposed political wing of British trade unionism, the Labour Party has never officially supported a strike.

It's quite funny listening to the current debate about lobbying and buying influence among political parties. If you bankroll the Tories they'll bend over backwards to do you a corrupt little favour; the unions fund the Labour Party and all they ever get is the finger :lol:

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Yeah, but despite being the supposed political wing of British trade unionism, the Labour Party has never officially supported a strike.

It's quite funny listening to the current debate about lobbying and buying influence among political parties. If you bankroll the Tories they'll bend over backwards to do you a corrupt little favour; the unions fund the Labour Party and all they ever get is the finger :lol:

I know, the unions really do look silly don't they? But then the interests of the unions are not as one; the union bureaucrats obviously have very different interests to their members, and with union democracy being eroded over the years we have seen the unions become to the workplace what the Labour Party has become to the electorate - a faux-representative.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Which is probably responsible for my extremely dim view of trade-unionism :(

[Arlekino]

Would somebody explain to me what is wrong with Trade Unions? I am sure they are not for working class, there is something too fishy with them.

[Hit The North]

Rasyte

Trade unions are important for workers under capitalism. Workers who don't have trade union representation are even more fucked over by the bosses than workers who have it.

[Arlekino]

Rasyte

Trade unions are important for workers under capitalism. Workers who don't have trade union representation are even more fucked over by the bosses than workers who have it.

Oh yes I am agree Trade Unions play vital role, but how Labour party is capitalist party and Unions support, somewhere I see conspiracy theories.

[Hit The North]

Trade unions operate within the logic of capitalism. They provide a problem for capitalism in that they can put a brake on the rate of exploitation, but they don't challenge the social relations of capitalist accumulation.