Card Carrying Communists

[Avocado]

Given the overt hostility and covert IS infiltration of the Communist parties of the likes of the UK, Australia, US etc...

(I think I can accurately say that the SSs of those countries know every member of their respective regional CPs: and I haven't even started getting paranoid yet)


Does anyone think it is a better idea <i>not to join</i> the Official Party and support it in other ways and means?

[dodger]

I know exactly who you are. what I don't know is are you a fruit or a vegetable?

[Yefim Zverev]

what s this ?

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Official membership of a party isn't as important as direct support of it...you don't have to pay subs and have a laminated ID to prove your support for an organisation and not being a member can't stop you promoting that group or supporting evenst they organise.

[Avocado]

SS - Secret Service: ASIS, MI5, USSS et cetera

[hatzel]

Of the countless reasons not to 'enlist' - a considered choice of word - in your local CP, this is far from the top of the list...

[The Jay]

What's important is advocating the issues, with the biggest being the shared ownership of the means of production. Doing that in public is the most important and the most likely to get you registered by the gov I think, but that's just speculation. I don't have access to their files.

[Brosip Tito]

I know exactly who you are. what I don't know is are you a fruit or a vegetable?
Avacado is a fruit............

[dodger]

Not always the intelligent fellows/gals who end up in the Intelligence services. Or we would all be in big trouble. One chap who faithfully wrote down the names at a red meeting in London had Ballsoff-Jack Elayte- numerous others. The report was released from public records. The name SAW KOK had a question mark against it. It was one of the few genuine names on the list He was a red union seaman from Hong kong. There is no answer I could give to your question Avocado....your personal circumstance must dictate what course of action to take. Along with the general political climate in your part of the world. Here there is every risk your head would be blown off...

[hatzel]

Avacado is a fruit............

Matey's only just shown up and you're already throwing homophobic slurs at them? Terrible...

As has been said, it doesn't matter if you're in an organisation or not - when you start chucking petrol bombs all over the gaff or whatever it is people do when they 'do' stuff, chances are somebody will notice. You'll never attract the attention of 'the People' without attracting the attention of 'the Man' so just stop with the worrying already.

[piet11111]

Not always the intelligent fellows/gals who end up in the Intelligence services. Or we would all be in big trouble. One chap who faithfully wrote down the names at a red meeting in London had Ballsoff-Jack Elayte- numerous others. The report was released from public records. The name SAW KOK had a question mark against it. It was one of the few genuine names on the list He was a red union seaman from Hong kong. There is no answer I could give to your question Avocado....your personal circumstance must dictate what course of action to take. Along with the general political climate in your part of the world. Here there is every risk your head would be blown off...

Thank you this made me laugh :laugh:

@ OP if you frequent leftist websites then odds are they already have your IP adress and could trace you if they wanted to.
But since the intelligence services are incompetent as fuck they wont be able to connect the dots until someone told them what they are supposed to be.

[Left Leanings]

I think it's safe to assume, that if you frequent far-left websites, and combine this with active organizational membership also, then the security services know who you are, and where you are. If they do not, then they could very easily do so.

But we are as little fish to them at the moment.

The time when the securtiy services will take a much closer interest, is when we grow in numbers, gain support, and start to pose a much more realistic threat to capital and its state machine.

[Rusty Shackleford]

some parties dont even issue membership IDs. (like the PSL)


SP-USA does give out cards, and you can get one for $15 on the internet. i can imagine the american CP does the same.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

some parties dont even issue membership IDs. (like the PSL)

Didn't they used to though? I thought I remember hearing how members had cards.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Didn't they used to though? I thought I remember hearing how members had cards.
i dont think they have ever existed. i dont see the necessity of them anyways.

i could be wrong, maybe at the beginning of the party's existence there may have been cards but since then, nada.

[eyeheartlenin]

It's better not to join the CPUSA, because it has been shilling for the Democrats at least since 1936 and enthusiastically maligned Trotsky when he was being attacked by the Soviet leadership in the 1930's.

That said, it appears that the SWP in the US was riddled with Federal snoops for years; reportedly, one of them led one of the SWP's union fractions for a time.

Years after I had been in the YSA, a youth group run by the SWP, a "comrade" in our branch was revealed, in The New York Times, to have been a federal agent.

Today, that party is merely a book-selling enterprise, and the entire US left is so marginal that it lacks any political importance whatsoever.

[Kotze]

I have been filmed by police/employers at every demonstration I've been to :/

...

You are already tracked when you do some milquetoast socdem stuff, so you might as well do something more effective :P

[Avocado]

[QUOTE=Kotze;2407295]I have been filmed by police/employers at every demonstration I've been to :/

I'm not sure where you live, but is that legal?

[Prometeo liberado]

[QUOTE=Kotze;2407295]I have been filmed by police/employers at every demonstration I've been to :/

I'm not sure where you live, but is that legal?

LEGAL? They need neither rhyme nor reason to unleash their nonsense.

Now go get some tomatoes and cilantro while I get the chips my little guacamole, I mean, Avocado friend.
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[Martin Blank]

Our Party issues booklets to members and supporters. They are similar in look to the multi-year dues booklets the IWW uses. There's been talk lately about switching to a magnetic-strip card that can have dues recorded through the use of a card reader attached to a smartphone or tablet.

Of course, we also have ... safeguards ... against infiltrators. :cool:

[scarletghoul]

I pity the secret services if theyre spending time and money monitering the Communist Party of Britain . they would suffer the biggest loss of personnel in history, due to dying of boredom

[Avocado]

I pity the secret services if theyre spending time and money monitering the Communist Party of Britain . they would suffer the biggest loss of personnel in history, due to dying of boredom

Indeed. But the fact is, the various IS of Capitalist countries, are fixated upon this tired cold war idea of the enemy in communism. It is in their DNA.

[desire]

Hello, this is my first post as a new member.
Governments are not interested in individuals anymore, this is not a game of spy vs. spy. Governments are more interested in using the media to mold their citizens into idiotic pigs... Unless you have more power and influence than Twitter or reality television then you really do not matter. Long ago people had to listen to others for new ideas. Long ago people were original. Now we're too scared to accept or even listen to new ideas.

Membership cards? Seems like a physical manifestation and human desire to fit in someplace or make noise whenever you open your wallet.
Wells Fargo, Chase, and Bank of America have "membership cards" they're called credit cards. Costco and Sam's Club have membership cards but you don't see me at a public park preaching about the five pound jar of butter I just bought.
When the glorious revolution comes do we give everyone a card that says, "Universal Proletrait Class"? No piece of plastic should label you, ever.
Communism, is not an elitist club but a universal garden that accepts all as one.
What I'm trying to say is membership cards are just instant gratification for the fact you belong to something, you can't belong to ideologies becuase they belong to you. Hence why I do not carry a card in my pocket that says "peace." As an order and a systematic approach then IDENTIFICATION cards make sense though.

I hope that formed a logical thought... Once again I'm glad to be here!

[Firebrand]

Privacy is an illusion. The only way you can stop secret services from knowing your leftist politics is if you never speak of your politics to anyone ever, write your diary in a highly personalised code and show up regularly to your local conservative club meetings.

They can track your internet account, they have cameras in every street, any leftist group you can think of has probably been infiltrated, and if you have a webcam there's a neat little virus they can send you which switches on yourt webcam and send the footage back to them. Now that the impossibility of secrecy has been established the only option any of us has is to be as loud and visible as possible, that way people can a) hear what we have to say and b) wonder where we've gone if we get disappeared.
If you want to be safe don't be a leftist.
(ok i'm being slightly melodramatic but i'm telling the truth about the ways they can track you)