What does LLCO Stand for

[Bostana]

Don't call me an idiot. Grenzer posted something on my profile he said stay away from the LLCO. Who are the LLCO?

[Deicide]

Leading light communist organisation. You'll fit in with them perfectly.

http://llco.org/

[#FF0000]

some third worldist dummies

[Orlov]

A Maoist grouping with many good ideas and at the same time several bad ones. They've became a bad name among the Western left due to their third worldist stance and their ideas of waiting for the revolution in the East where there are more exploited workers and peasants than waiting for a revolution among the affluent semi-bourgeois workers who benefit from the tools of the bourgeois and a smaller marginalized proletariat in the West. Their more negative idea is the lack of realizing that there still exists an exploited working class in the West that must follow along line their brothers in the East. Chances are though if Deicide or Grenzer say anything it should be instantly ignored or taken with a truck load of salt.

[Deicide]

Chances are though if Deicide or Grenzer say anything it should be instantly ignored or taken with a truck load of salt.

Here's a picturesque example of confirmation bias straight from the cult victims mouth.

[Bostana]

Here's a picturesque example of confirmation bias straight from the cult victims mouth.

Actually, it's good advice.
Considering the fact that every time I try to make an argument you derail it and say something stupid.

[Orlov]

All he does is derail topics and start sectarian groups to troll. He's utterly delusional. The LLCO are just the current incarnation of the old US-Maoist groupings in the past that took a more third worldist tendency, of course the LLCO takes it a bit farther.

[The Douche]

A Maoist grouping with many good ideas and at the same time several bad ones. They've became a bad name among the Western left due to their third worldist stance and their ideas of waiting for the revolution in the East where there are more exploited workers and peasants than waiting for a revolution among the affluent semi-bourgeois workers who benefit from the tools of the bourgeois and a smaller marginalized proletariat in the West. Their more negative idea is the lack of realizing that there still exists an exploited working class in the West that must follow along line their brothers in the East. Chances are though if Deicide or Grenzer say anything it should be instantly ignored or taken with a truck load of salt.

Thats not their line, you know...

They state that there is no 1st world proletarians.

[Omsk]

Bostana when did this turn happen?Ho Chi Minh and Mao?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Bostana when did this turn happen?Ho Chi Minh and Mao?

I KnOw!!!!! It guess you and me are just stubborn Stalin and Hoxha lovers, while everyone else is moving on to Asian communists . . . for teh lutz.

[Bostana]

Bostana when did this turn happen?Ho Chi Minh and Mao?

Maoism caught my attention while I was reading about the Chinese revolution. It answers a lot of questions that most ignored. If you can, read some of his work not to bad

I still have a lot of respect for Hoxha don't worry.
:D

[Bostana]

. . . for teh lutz.

:confused::confused:
A jump with a backward takeoff from the backward outside edge of one skate to the backward outside edge of the other, with one or more full turns in the air
:confused:

[Grenzer]

All he does is derail topics and start sectarian groups to troll. He's utterly delusional. The LLCO are just the current incarnation of the old US-Maoist groupings in the past that took a more third worldist tendency, of course the LLCO takes it a bit farther.

Actually, they don't just take it a bit farther, they completely abandon Marxist analysis alltogether. They don't look at things in terms of class, they look at them in terms of countries. They claim that the first world proletariat are not exploited, and that they fill the same role as the bourgeoisie, pushing Lenin's idea of labor aristocracy to it's extreme. I'm unsurprised to see you shilling for them, given your explicit support for the 'national bourgeoisie' in the past. Class collaboration has always been a part of Maoism in the form of 'New Democracy' the third-worldists, as you say, 'take it a bit further' to the point where no one can deny that they are objectively counter-revolutionary.

The LLCO sees itself as a successor to the Maoist-Internationalist-Movement(MIM) who apparently had some ok ideas early on. For the most part, their members were bourgeois Ivy League students and their founder was literally insane. Apparently the founder either couldn't afford them or something, but for whatever reason stopped taking his medicine; and it just went downhill from there. I've heard this latter part from Ismail, he probably knows more of the details. Although it's not part of the organization's official platform, some of their members are anti-semites.

I was surprised to see Bostana branch out into Maoism. Hoxha hated Mao, and Stalin thought he was an opportunist. I dropped him a message suggesting the Kasama Project as a more positive, contemporary manifestation of Maoism; and the LLCO as something to stay away from. That's probably why he created this topic. Being a third-worldist like the members of the LLCO is a restrictable offense here. Maoist-Third-Worldists are ultra-nationalistic(pan-third-worldist) chauvinists and have more in common with fascists than they do communists.

Orthodox Maoism is pretty much dead these days. There was the RCP here in the United States, but they pretty much went insane by building a religion around Bob Avakian. The future of anti-revisionist Marxism-Leninism seems to lie with Hoxha. Hoxha emphasized creativity and ingenuity within Marxism-Leninism as it existed, whereas Mao arrogantly proclaimed himself to be the equal of Lenin and Stalin and fossilized a highly contextual strategy into rigid dogma.

[Deicide]

http://llco.org/what-is/


In reality, there are no socialist societies today. Cuba is not socialist. Venezuela is not socialist. Iran is not socialist. Vietnam is not socialist. China is not socialist. Libya is not socialist. North Korea is not socialist. These societies may share certain qualities that real socialism shared, but that does not, of itself, make them socialist. There simply are no socialist societies today. And it goes without saying that there are no communist societies today. In fact, most so-called socialists and communist organizations are fake; they are revisionist. They raise the red flag to oppose the red flag. The only real communists today are Leading Light communists

Shit, we better join immediately.

[Grenzer]

We live in a very dark time. The international communist movement is shattered. However, the situation is very dynamic. Eventually, the objective and subjective will line up. Eventually, local people’s wars under proletarian leadership will raise the red flag of the Leading Light Communism. We have made the breakthrough. It is only a matter of time. We are a movement of heroes! The future will be glorious!

Just listen to this pseudo-religious garbage. Just change a few words and it reads as if it could have easily come out of a fascist propaganda reel right out of the thirties. They're all rhetoric and no substance.

It goes without saying that when they say "Proletarian", they mean "Chinese".

[Deicide]

:laugh:


Only the Leading Light of revolutionary science will guide us to communism, the end of all oppression. This study guide is to assist new comrades in their explorations of Leading Light Communism, the highest stage of revolutionary science to date. Leading Light Communism is what it means to be a communist today.

http://llco.org/study-guide/

[Grenzer]

First way to recognize a party is full of shit: They claim to be the only REAL revolutionaries in the world.

Just keep reading, it almost seems like a pseudo-religious cult the more you go into it. Bob Avakian doesn't have shit on these guys.

[Anarpest]

While the fake, left communist revisionists asked, 'Socialism or Barbarism?', real, Leading Light communists ask, "Communism or sanity?"

[Orlov]

Unlike the Left Communists, the LLCO don't support aristocratic first world workers they instead choose to support the actual revolutionary factions in the world which are composed of third world popular fronts, workers and peasants who fight against US imperialism. As for religious cult, you're utterly hilarious. It's hardly a 'cult' anymore than any other party is-- it simply knows that it's works are actually correct and that the others are false, it's taking control and domination over the revisionists and fake communists like Deicide and Grenzer who go out play along with the Trots at first then make groups such as 'Fuck Lenin' and are actually RAAN members. It's a shame these RAAN members have infiltrated Revleft and are being allowed to defame communist revolutionaries and troll. In a real revolutionary situation like their friends in Lithuania (Fascists), Spain (confused Anarchists) and Ukrainian (Anti-Jewish 'Anarchists') they'll face the firing squad. The LLCO is pleasantly going back to a time where in the 70's and 80's Maoists began to realize the truth, that working with the first world was a mistake as it would only benefit the bourgeois and the aristocratic 'working class'. The only real revolution will start in the East and create such a powerful united workers state that it will strangle the Western grip on the world and choke it until it finally collapses financially and a true workers revolution can happen just like it did in the East. Sorry, your little 'Marxist revolution' or 'Anarchist revolution' is not going to happen in the West as they benefit from the capitalist virus, it has to happen in the East and it has to build a popular front and a communist movement that will strangle the West. This is simply reality. Go play liberal social democrats somewhere else kiddies.

[Deicide]

Unlike the Left Communists, the LLCO don't support aristocratic first world workers they instead choose to support the actual revolutionary factions in the world which are composed of third world popular fronts, workers and peasants who fight against US imperialism. As for religious cult, you're utterly hilarious. It's hardly a 'cult' anymore than any other party is-- it simply knows that it's works are actually correct and that the others are false, it's taking control and domination over the revisionists and fake communists like Deicide and Grenzer who go out play along with the Trots at first then make groups such as 'Fuck Lenin' and are actually RAAN members. It's a shame these RAAN members have infiltrated Revleft and are being allowed to defame communist revolutionaries and troll. In a real revolutionary situation like their friends in Lithuania (Fascists), Spain (confused Anarchists) and Ukrainian (Anti-Jewish 'Anarchists') they'll face the firing squad. The LLCO is pleasantly going back to a time where in the 70's and 80's Maoists began to realize the truth, that working with the first world was a mistake as it would only benefit the bourgeois and the aristocratic 'working class'. The only real revolution will start in the East and create such a powerful united workers state that it will strangle the Western grip on the world and choke it until it finally collapses financially and a true workers revolution can happen just like it did in the East. Sorry, your little 'Marxist revolution' or 'Anarchist revolution' is not going to happen in the West as they benefit from the capitalist virus, it has to happen in the East and it has to build a popular front and a communist movement that will strangle the West. This is simply reality. Go play liberal social democrats somewhere else kiddies.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-A-mih3w8pEU/Tv1dyGd9W4I/AAAAAAAAAGc/r4iPAaiICoM/s400/medication_demotivational_poster.jpg

[Orlov]

More trolling and no substance.
God, all you do is derail topics.
Your bourgeois nature is showing 'comrade'. It seems that the real problem you have is that a real communist movement wouldn't allow you to live in the bourgeois way that you've so obviously become custom to, which explains your self-natured libertarianism where 'everyone has a choice to be apart of communism'. You're hilarious.

I really don't see why the mods are allowing you to derail threads like this though. It's really sad that you have no substance at all.

[Deicide]

More trolling and no substance.
God, all you do is derail topics.
Your bourgeois nature is showing 'comrade'. It seems that the real problem you have is that a real communist movement wouldn't allow you to live in the bourgeois way that you've so obviously become custom to, which explains your self-natured libertarianism where 'everyone has a choice to be apart of communism'. You're hilarious.

I really don't see why the mods are allowing you to derail threads like this though. It's really sad that you have no substance at all.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/101/771/1879f18e_e542_e1c6.jpg

You've compiled two bulging walls of straw mans and ad hom bombs, how can anyone begin to respond sensibly?

[Orlov]

You've compiled a bulging wall of straws mans and ad homs, how can anyone begin to respond adequately? Actually, why would anyone respond adequately?
Still de-railing.
If I had a penny for everytime you've strawmanned and ad-hom'd against Marxist-Leninists and Maoists I'd be a rich man.
Now can you please quit being a child and derailing a thread?
Also reported for flaming and de-railing.

[Rooster]

I don't know if you know this but...

this is chit-chat.

[Deicide]

I don't know if you know this but...

this is chit-chat.

idd

[Omsk]

Orlov,i don't think you should write against Deicide so much,he is just confused,no need to go into much detail,leave it at that.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Orlov,i don't think you should write against Deicide so much,he is just confused,no need to go into much detail,leave it at that.

Comrade Omsk, stop being so kind to people. Deicide is not confused, he is a Marxist-Leninist basher troll by choice.

[Ismail]

LLCO is not a serious group. I'd seriously rather see Maoists join the RCPUSA (as cult-like and liberal as it is today) and learn from them as a Maoist party which has existed for decades, than a group which began its revolutionary history on the internet in a country where they woke up and realized that there basically exists not one proletarian, and whose most notable mass action has been arguing with Alex Jones in Denver a few years back.

Also the RCPUSA wrote a readable and detailed critique (http://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-5/rcp-hoxha/index.htm) of Hoxha (not that I agree with it, obviously) back in 1979 whereas the LLCO is just "HOXHAITE REVISIONISM IS DOGMATIC AND NOT SCIENTIFIC UNLIKE THE LLCO WHICH IS THE ONLY COMMUNIST FORCE ON EARTH, AS YOU CAN LEARN FROM OUR BLOG AND PDF FILES."

[Deicide]

Alex Jones, as in Alex Jones the nutjob conspiracy theorist?

[Nox]

Large Lonely Cop Orgy

[Ismail]

Alex Jones, as in Alex Jones, the nutjob conspiracy theorist?Quite right. They basically said that he was nothing more than a petty-bourgeois guy who instilled in the... non-proletarian proletariat of the USA a sense of hatred for anything not American and foreign, and that his attempts to attract "left-wing" types in his conspiratorial crusades was absolute shit. And Jones didn't really have an answer besides some random words about globalism or whatever.

So basically LLCO won an argument against an easy target. Fin.

[Deicide]

What? He didn't say communism is a world wide conspiracy (which wants to enslave the entire world) by the ''global elite''?

[Ismail]

What? He didn't say communism is a world wide conspiracy (which wants to enslave the entire world) by the ''global elite''?I don't remember, but if I recall correctly his view is just that communism is a "front" for the "globalists." So he doesn't attack "communism" so much as the "globalists" who supported it. Jones has tried attracting left-wingers to his efforts, so ranting about socialism and communism (which is apparently what he used to do in the 80's and 90's) isn't something he focuses on so much anymore.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

This is rightfully in chit chat, because the LLCO is a joke and its ideology of "Leading Light Communism" is absolute shit. If you're going to join a Maoist party in the US, join Bob Avakian's cult instead, or just some ML party that accepts Maoists.

The LLCO claims that no 'first world' proletarians exist, and that no exploitation goes on in the 'first world'. This is ridiculous. People are forced into prostitution in the 'first world'. Is that not exploitation.

[Raúl Duke]

What I found amusingly absurd is that it seems many Maoist-Thirdworldists of the like of MIM, LLCO, etc has most of their membership in the 1st world that they actively deride. Their nothing more than pathetic self-hating 'cheerleaders' for "vaguely revolutionary" whatevers. They're batshit insane and while morbidly amusing I kinda feel a bit sorry for them for being well crazy and probably living life like some "revolutionary monk" inside a cult (since everyone else in the first world they live in "must be social-fascists" or something; I don't think they have much friends) which most be a boring as fuck life.

[Ravachol]

This threaded summed up:

http://frogfart.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/chinoise1.jpg

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[Deicide]

^ Thanks for linking that. I'm going to watch the film now. I've seen several Jean-Luc Godard Films, but this one escaped my radar.

[Ismail]

It should be noted that unlike LLCO, MIM actually had a small real-world presence in the 80's and throughout the 90's. They also were able to get one editor of the Black Book of Communism to admit to a mistake (http://www.prisoncensorship.info/archive/etext/agitation/blackbook/blackb3.html) (ironically MIM was based out of Harvard, and the book was published there, so that helped.)

Their leader, though, actually had mental problems and after 2004 or so MIM basically died for good and became a website for one unbalanced man to present conspiracies against him and against communism. Then he died a year or so back.