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Zulu
3rd April 2012, 23:07
Anyone know about this guy, Samir Amin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Amin)?

At the bottom of the Wikipedia page there are some links to full articles by him, and although he criticizes the Bolsheviks (which, of course, is not right in my books) they still contain a lot of interesting points. For instance:


"The argument advanced by the promoters of this model of “community development” appears to be both pragmatic (“do something for the dispossessed and the victims, who are gathered together in these communities”) and democratic (“the communities are eager to assert themselves as such”). No doubt a lot of universalist talk has been and still is pure rhetoric, calling for no strategy for effective action to change the world, which would obviously mean considering concrete forms of struggle against the oppression suffered by this or that particular group. Agreed. But the oppression in question cannot be abolished if at the same time we give it a framework within which it can reproduce itself, even if in a milder form.

The attachment that members of an oppressed community may feel for their own culture of oppression, much as we may respect the feeling in the abstract, is nevertheless the product of the crisis of democracy. It is because the effectiveness, the credibility, and the legitimacy of democracy have eroded that human beings take refuge in the illusion of a particular identity that could protect them. Then we find on the agenda culturalism, that is, the assertion that each of these communities (religious, ethnic, sexual, or other) has its own irreducible values (that is, values that have no universal significance). Culturalism, as I have said elsewhere, is not a complement to democracy, a means of applying it concretely, but on the contrary a contradiction to it."

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Culturalism has been successful to the degree that democratic management of diversity has failed. By culturalism I mean the affirmation that the differences in question are “primordial,” that they should be given “priority” (over class differences, for example), and sometimes even that they are “transhistorical,” that is, based on historical invariables. (This last is often the case with religious culturalisms, which easily slide toward obscurantism and fanaticism.)

To sort out this tangle of demands based on identity, I would propose what I think is an essential criterion. Those movements whose demands are connected with the fight against social exploitation and for greater democracy in every domain are progressive. On the contrary, those that present themselves as having “no social program” (because that is supposed to be unimportant!) and as being “not hostile to globalization” (because that too is unimportant!)—a fortiori, those that declare themselves foreign to the concept of democracy (which is accused of being a “Western” notion)—are openly reactionary and serve the ends of dominant capital to perfection. Dominant capital knows this, by the way, and supports their demands (even when the media take advantage of their barbarous content to denounce the peoples who are its victims!), using, and sometimes manipulating, these movements.


Samir Amin, Imperialism and Globalization, 2001
http://monthlyreview.org/2001/06/01/imperialism-and-globalization




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ckaihatsu
4th April 2012, 08:25
This entire line is a very good critique of identity politics and multiculturalism, from the further-left.





Culturalism has been successful to the degree that democratic management of diversity has failed. By culturalism I mean the affirmation that the differences in question are “primordial,” that they should be given “priority” (over class differences, for example), and sometimes even that they are “transhistorical,” that is, based on historical invariables. (This last is often the case with religious culturalisms, which easily slide toward obscurantism and fanaticism.)


The way I would word this is that identity-based politics is *progressive* to the degree that it assists people (and groups, organizations, etc.) in overcoming the hegemonic nationalist groupthink propaganda of the nation-state.

Better, of course, as Amin is stating, is if such identity-based groupings can then *self-manage* their own diversity on an inter-group basis. But if they *can't*, then they're being self-limiting by not having a broader, greater ideological worldview that would enable them to overcome their sectarian viewpoints.


[3] Ideologies & Operations -- Fundamentals

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Zulu
4th April 2012, 13:42
The way I would word this is that identity-based politics is *progressive* to the degree that it assists people (and groups, organizations, etc.) in overcoming the hegemonic nationalist groupthink propaganda of the nation-state.

The trickiest part is that the "nationalist group think" both of ethnic purity (racist), great-something chauvinist and simple etatist (strong state) brands is also a kind of "identity based politics". So when groups with identities based on different criteria find themselves in a bitter conflict with nationalism (often one brand of nationalism against another), its just a case of identity-based politics being pitted against other identity-based politics. And many leftists get entangled in this, while actively taking sides against nationalism in these particular struggles. And that's what the capital wants. Divide and conquer. Prevent a real alternative to globalism from arising on the basis of the only true socially-relevant identity - the class identity. But globalism is objective and it can't really be stopped. What is not objective is the neo-liberal market character of globalism that keeps marching on, thanks to the conscious efforts of the "vanguard" of the highest capitalist class - the transnational financial oligarchy. And to stop it, it must take not some anti-globalism, but a globalism of another, non-neo-liberal brand.

ckaihatsu
4th April 2012, 15:04
[A] case of identity-based politics being pitted against other identity-based politics.


I just finished a new diagram, so I'll post it here to address this point of yours in a prescriptive kind of way.... (See 'social identity' in the first graphic, below.)





[A] real alternative to globalism [...] arising on the basis of the only true socially-relevant identity - the class identity. But globalism is objective and it can't really be stopped. What is not objective is the neo-liberal market character of globalism that keeps marching on, thanks to the conscious efforts of the "vanguard" of the highest capitalist class - the transnational financial oligarchy. And to stop it, it must take not some anti-globalism, but a globalism of another, non-neo-liberal brand.


Agreed.

I'll add that it may help (anyone) to recognize imperatives of *scale* -- noted by you here, though often overlooked. Since there is no greater social divide or social dynamic than that of *class*, it is the *most macroscopic*. (See the topmost "level" in the second graphic.)


philosophical abstractions

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[1] History, Macro Micro -- Precision

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hatzel
4th April 2012, 15:42
the only true socially-relevant identity - the class identity.

Class is not at all relevant as an 'identity' - certainly no more inherently relevant than any other, - and a pseudo-emancipatory politics based on class-as-identity is, in effect, indistinguishable from one which seeks to base itself on any other socially-constituted identity an sich, in that it derives its legitimacy from the very system it claims to oppose, thereby further entrenching said system (and its hierarchies), and doing nothing to overcome it.

ckaihatsu
4th April 2012, 16:25
(The hierarchy of categories in 'philosophical abstractions' may be used repeatedly as a set of "sub-levels" between any two "levels" in the 'History, Macro-Micro' structure.) (The left-right political spectrum illustration from post #2 remains valid for any "level" as well, at the same time.)