MUMIA ABU-JAMAL

[dirtyd6969]

mumia's probably been talked abotu in many other threads . but i was wondering if any of you read michael moore's new book where he said mumia was guilty . that seriously pisses me off . I dont believe at all that he is guilty . and michael moores just bringing down what thousands of people have organized for to help mumia .

[Intifada]

free mumia!

youll never silence tha voice of tha voiceless!

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I also read "Mumia probably killed that guy" in Michael Moore's new book. I was especially disappointed that he did not even bother to defend that with evidence. I heard him questioned about it recently, and again he did not make any kind of case to justify it. It seemed to me Moore was trying too hard to relate with his hypothetical "conservative brother-in-law." I respect Moore's efforts to deprive the GOP of their softcore supporters, but I am disturbed by his attempts at appearing almost reactionary at times.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

before we jump the gun here, do we know all the facts surrounding Mumia's imprisonment??

Now, dont get me wrong, i'll be the first to say 'Free Mumia!!!', but we cant expect Moore to be totally rebellious on everything...even if it is in his nature. Lol.

Ex : George Washington was not the first president of America. John Hanson was. But I bet numerous ppl who are very left-wing'ish, and rebellious would consider Washington the first preisdent. Is it wrong? Not necessarily, as he WAS the first president after the constitution, which does make him special in some instances...

Maybe Moore's just showcasing a side of him we are yet to find out...who knows...*remembers the Michigan Newspaper he was in charge of*

[j.guevara]

ive read some of mumias works and ive researched his case i believe it is likely that he is not guilty. however, ive never understood why his brother never spoke on his behalf. could someone explain that to me who knows more about it then i do?

[Morpheus]

You can read his brother's story at http://www.chicagofreemumia.org/William_Co...Declaration.pdf (http://www.chicagofreemumia.org/William_Cook_Declaration.pdf) Another guy confessed to killing the cop, so I doubt Mumia did it. Michael Moore has been getting more conservative lately, he endorsed the war criminal Wesley Clark. By being more conservative he can make more money. And even if Mumia did kill the cop, so what? It was probably in self-defense (the cop was beating his brother) and even if it wasn't he was a COP, they're evil. Somehow how cops can get away with murdering all sorts of innocent people, but when someone defends himself from a cop it's suddenly all wrong. Police are brutal terrorists who get what they deserve when proletarians defend themselves.

[praxis1966]

You have to remember that a lot of the stuff Mike says is just to be inflammatory. Some shit he just flat makes up. I don't believe in idolizing anyone, so it doesn't really bother me that he said this. Likewise, I find it silly that people would vote for Washington. He was a do-nothing president. As a matter of historical fact, he never vetoed a single bill that came across his desk.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 12:25 AM
You have to remember that a lot of the stuff Mike says is just to be inflammatory. [...] Likewise, I find it silly that people would vote for Washington. He was a do-nothing president. As a matter of historical fact, he never vetoed a single bill that came across his desk.
Firstly, Moore is often inflammatory. You are right, but it is less common for him to be inflammatory in a reactionary direction.

About Washington (and I hate to run off on this tangent, which makes it more appropriate for History forum than Politics):

Whether he was competent or not, Washington was recognized as a great national liberator. He was the "Father" of his country, and men with that role are often made supreme political leader of the new country.

As far as his lack of vetoes, that was common for the time. Andrew Jackson, as I understand it, was the first president to veto legislation he disagreed with. The first six presidents had an understanding that legislation was only to be vetoed if there were technical problems.

[Hampton]

It kinda turned me off when Moore said what he did about Mumia in his book, he didn't even know the cops name who died that night so I doubt he knows anything about the case. I mean making the assumption that he didn't get a fair trial could be done by any asshole who looks at the legal system in this country, it dosen't take that much intelligence to do. WOW, a member of MOVE and the Panthers didn't get a fair trial, you don't say!?!?!

Thanks Mike, you really helped the Free Mumia cause with that one, I'm sure a lot of people will go out and help free a "convicted" cop killer.

If you want to read an independent study of the Mumia case read Killing Time by Dave Lindorff (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1567512283/qid=1070521079/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/102-3472610-2497711?v=glance&s=books)

[Atheny]

While in Australia Chuck D ,from the hip-hop group public enemy ,stated on a radio program when asked his opinion of Michael Moore that he respected much of what he was doing however he had recently alienated himself from most of the black left... and I can't really blame them. You shouldn't talk about stuff that you don't know for sure, especially when he had nothing to gain by making that comment, only friends and supporters to lose.

[dirtyd6969]

the thing that pisses me off the most is he talks about how liberal america is but then in the next chapter he makes this dome concessions to the conservatives that he shouldnt have to since america is so liberal. and also everyone is correct , he doesnt know jack shit about mumias case.

[j.guevara]

could someone remind me why his brother did not testify?
i cant remember