Music Under Socialism

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I have recently been researching Mongolia, for reasons of personal interest. I have been reading up on the Mongol Empire, Chinggis Khan, Chinese rule, Russian White Army control; but more than all these other things, I have been researching the glorious Mongolian People's Republic.

So, the thing is that during my research of Mongolia, I have gotten attached to their music, both traditional and modern (everything except the throat singing:(). I especially like this female pop artist known as Ariunaa. Most of Mongolia's popular music is a mix of Western styles with slight Mongol influences (it should really be the other way around). Most of Mongolia's more traditional (and even a lot of their pop) music is really nationalistic, praising Chinggis Khan and blah blah blah. Here is an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXSVT1KoxIA&feature=related

Anyways, that is not what I want you guys to focus on. I found this article about Mongolian music since the fall of "socialism" and during the age of "socialism" (or whatever you call being a Soviet neo-colony) (http://mongoluls.net/ger/sing.shtml). Its analysis of music under socialism seems pretty good (except for the obvious anti-socialism). I also like how the author uses the word "socialism" instead of "communism." Here is one quite "revealing" quote from a Mongolian rock music singer, Jargalsaikhan:


At that time, the social condition in Mongolia was like that of North Korea today.

So, the question I want to ask is what do you think music would and should be like under socialism, that is, socialism used in this case as an interchangeable term with the dictatorship of the proletariat? I obviously support Mongolia's attempts to make sure that Western influences did not impede socialist development (at least what they thought was socialist development) and anti-imperialist convictions. A nation does not need foreign capitalist entertainment to be happy.

Thoughts? Also, is anyone here Mongolian?

Here is a sample of some modern Mongolian music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeP7FQGhUxk&feature=related

Sorry I cannot bring up Youtube windows for quick access. I hate my computer.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

bump bump bump bump bump bump BUMP

[marl]

Music will be imaginative and free, no more capitalists to control it.

[Bostana]

As long as there is no more Usher, Justin Bieber, and Lady Gaga I don't care

[NewLeft]

As long as there is no more Usher, Justin Bieber, and Lady Gaga I don't care
Why not? :( I love jb

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

why not? :( i love jb

Gulag!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ostrinski]

J Biebs is great

[NewLeft]

J Biebs is great
i know right, i got under the mistletoe last christmas. good stuff

countdown till believe!!

[sithsaber]

Why not? :( I love jb
Note to self:
Reevaluate NewLeft's place in the PAFL


J Biebs is great
For the 5th fucking time
Purge Brospierre immediately

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

J Biebs is great

I am going to exile you to Canada then send someone to kill you with an icepick.

[Ostrinski]

I am going to exile you to Canada then send someone to kill you with an icepick.Well on the bright side people will rally around me and create a tendency

[thriller]

No more auto-tune.
Much more punk rock.

[sithsaber]

No more auto-tune.
Much more punk rock.

I don't see anything wrong with revolutionary dub step

sta sta lin linlinlinlinlinlinlinlin

[Rooster]

There certainly won't be any decadent jungle music.

[Ostrinski]

There certainly won't be any decadent jungle music.Amen comrade. No more long hair or lavish dress, either.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

There certainly won't be any decadent jungle music.

Hoxha noted this in one of his many diaries.

[sithsaber]

There certainly won't be any decadent jungle music.

What the hell is jungle music?

[Ocean Seal]

Music, what music?
Music is a derivative of fun, which is bourgeois, and thus not allowed.

[Bostana]

Justin Bieber's music gives people happiness and joy...
..I hate happiness and Joy
:D

[blake 3:17]

What the hell is jungle music?

Drum n bass -- effin banging brilliant noisy polyrhythmic

[Comrade Samuel]

Chinggis Khan

Don't you mean Ghengis Khan? I'm not expert on mongolia so I'm probably mistaken.

I belive revolution will not cause any great change in the music we listen to, groups will still rise and fall in popularity, graudately changing to meet modern demand just as they have been since the first cavepeople started makeing a beat on some rocks. However people praiseing reactionary filth and counter-revolutionary propaganda in their music may find themselves rocking out alongside all the others who stood in the way of the revolution; wherever we eventually decide to thow them.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Don't you mean Ghengis Khan? I'm not expert on mongolia so I'm probably mistaken.

Mongolians themselves prefer the name Chinggis Khan. Ghengis Khan was actually a name given to him by the Chinese after he died. Chinggis Khan and Ghengis Khan both mean "universal ruler", but the Chinese messed up the transliteration and came up with Ghengis Khan. Mongolians are not too fond of the Chinese, to be completely honest.

[Rafiq]

"One of the few positive characteristics of Socialist countries was the pure and non commodified genuine persuit of the arts".

[Rafiq]

I don't think a "pure" music exists. This socalled "garbage" that is popular today is just as much of artistic worth as the shit back then.

[Robespierres Neck]

I don't see anything wrong with revolutionary dub step

sta sta lin linlinlinlinlinlinlinlin

Go on YouTube and search 'DRUGGANAUT - PASS THE VODKA, COMRADE - DUBSTEP'.
(Can't post links or videos yet...)

[Proukunin]

As long as I can play guitar and listen to metal like Mastodon and other shit like jam bands then i'm good..cause if not i'm gonna have to throw some molotov's at certain "socialists".


No but really I love metal ranging from death to thrash and groove.

[TheGeekySocialist]

if I can still listen to the Manic Street Preachers, why I care?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

J Biebs is great

I thought we were gonna be friends then you go and do this.

I do wonder how peoples' music demand would change if manufactured pop wasn't forced on them from the supply side.

[thriller]

"One of the few positive characteristics of Socialist countries was the pure and non commodified genuine persuit of the arts".

Tell that to Mayakovsky, Bulgakov, and Zamyatin.

[Fawkes]

Amen comrade.

More like Amen Brother (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQLk7NcpO4)

(sorry, I had to, that was waaay too good of an opportunity to pass up)



oh, and if you don't get that reference, you don't deservce to be trash talkin mah jungle:wub:


I love justin bieber just for the sake of pissing off all the little internet boys that can't control their insecurities:cool:



Anyway, to answer the OP, the stylistic diversity of music (and the arts in general) would probably increase drastically. Making inventive and original music can be an incredibly time-consuming process (I have one particular synth patch that took me over 30 hours to make, and that's just a single instrument). In existing society, most people (myself included) just flat out don't have the time to devote to really pursuing something like music. If people work shorter hours and access to other music and resources for making/sharing music are uninhibited by private property, many more people will be able to devote the time necessary to being a musician. If more people are making music, more styles and sounds will evolve, creating a far more fertile pool from which to draw inspiration than presently exists.

[lombas]

Just as Lully's "Ballet des plaisirs" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Jean-Baptiste_Lully) has no more sense in this society, Lady Gaga's "Paparazzi" will have no more sense in a socialist society.

And don't get me wrong, I like both Lully and Lady Gaga, but two things change:

1) music style evolves no matter what happens
2) song topics evolve because of everything else that happens

[Fawkes]

No more auto-tune.
Much more punk rock.

Yeah, I really hope that in socialism musicians arbitrarily condemn various tools/instruments.
I also hope that the 40 year old dead horse that is punk rock continues to be brutally beaten for centuries to come.

[Dzo Komunjara]

Well, in SFRY rock, punk rock, metal and new wave had a lot of freedoms.

Igor Vidmar - Anti-communist : "It is an irony that it is harder to work now in this liberal democracy, than in the final 10 years of SFRY's communism".

I have to say that then the society were getting the music from the western countries, and so had their influences of ''liberty''. At least they are getting now, that they were WRONG.

The biggest communist punk band in SFRY, that exists is the KUD Idijoti.
I can't post links but you can check Bandierra Rossa and Bella ciao (i think every leftist should know about these songs).

[Rusty Shackleford]

Huun Huur Tu is pretty cool. old style music and folk songs and some with modern political meaning. theres a video of them playing in front of a giant lenin tapestry.

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[Ele'ill]

Lady Ga Ga dubstep will be the music of the revolution, dunno what ure all talking about

[Fawkes]

Lady Ga Ga dubstep will be the music of the revolution, dunno what ure all talking about

best not forget everyone's favorite bubblegum princess:
YTzQ2APsJXk








True Life: I Love Katy Perry:cool:

[Rusty Shackleford]

Proletarian battle hymns should be riffy as shit in a socialist society.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I am the king of the proletarians,
The class enemy are nothing but rich bloody cretins,
Down with the dictatorship of capital and war,
No more exploitation and squalor anymore!

^^All music under 'Socialism' shall conform to the above subject matter. Praising the red flag, the internationale and Lenin is allowed, praising the colour Green is not, as we all know that it is made from blue and yellow, thus supporting the colour green is supporting the blue flag of Toryism. All comrades not following these guidelines will be sent to a re-education camp in the Outer Hebrides, where they will be taught the gospel of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Hoxha; anybody refusing to stop listening to jungle music, refusing to cut their hair, refusing to take their glasses off will be paraded through Stalin Avenue as counter-revolutionaries, dangerous to the revolution!

Long Live Hoxha, the greatest, most intellectual, most equal, most ordinary comrade to ever have lived!

Actually I think my original poem was quite good, all jokes aside.:laugh: Only took 30 secs to write too.

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

I remember hearing the PLPLP (Progressive Labor Party LP) that my older sister had when I was about 15. I was already inclined toward communism, but man did that record suck. Dumb music with self-righteous overly earnest music. So I set about to make music that was political, but good. Don't know if I succeeded. . .

After the revolution, the biggest difference will be that music will no longer be a commodity. People will create and listen more freely, although with the advent of the net, there is a lot more out there that one can find. I think music will be more diverse -- but I don't know that. And the point is well taken, people will have more time to devote to creating, not just music, but whatever their hearts desire. When generalized material want is eliminated, there should be a general explosion of creativity. Exactly what it will look like? Let me get back to you on that one. . . .

[NoPasaran1936]

Everyone would be free to produce and distribute their music without the need for 'record labels' and auto tune.

[Ismail]

Long Live Hoxha, the greatest, most intellectual, most equal, most ordinary comrade to ever have lived!Well Stalin distrusted Hoxha at first because of his uncommonly good education. Molotov said to Stalin that "you can sense his European culture" or something to that effect.

But yeah this was 1980's Albanian music:

2DW-U6rXVO0(at the end they're repeating "Party-Enver, we are always ready!" over and over again)

(and a more... modern song, 'bout entering a new home for the first time)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrF-tmGKUOk

And this is East German music around the same time:
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pGbJgAlLIY
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=362Oa81u6IA

YOU BE THE JUDGE!

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Well Stalin distrusted Hoxha at first because of his uncommonly good education. Molotov said to Stalin that "you can sense his European culture" or something to that effect.

But yeah this was 1980's Albanian music:

2DW-U6rXVO0(at the end they're repeating "Party-Enver, we are always ready!" over and over again)

(and a more... modern song, 'bout entering a new home for the first time)
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrF-tmGKUOk

And this is East German music around the same time:
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pGbJgAlLIY
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=362Oa81u6IA

YOU BE THE JUDGE!

Ismail, I swear on Hoxha's grave (you are going to kill me for saying that) that I have been listening to that song by Grupi e Bences since last month when I found the other song by Zoja Pali from that same festival in honor of his birthday (Gjirokaster Heroine). You fucking beat me to it. I totally forgot about this thread. I cannot put the link on here to the Zoja Pali song since my computer is broken and I am using my iPhone. Would you mind posting it?

P.S. To everyone watching the Albanian videos, this will be the only music allowed in socialism. :)

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I thought it was "Party! Enver! We are ready whenever!" That phrase was repeated at almost every Albanian event.

[Ismail]

I cannot put the link on here to the Zoja Pali song since my computer is broken and I am using my iPhone. Would you mind posting it?2DW-U6rXVO0


I thought it was "Party! Enver! We are ready whenever!" That phrase was repeated at almost every Albanian event.Usually I hear it translated as "Party-Enver," but obviously both mean basically the same thing.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Typo: It is Grupi i Bences. My iPhone changed it for some reason.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

I've found that the shittier a government a socialist country has, the better the music. Hence, Yugoslavia has the best.

x2UFsRGvOIo

Oj oj oj v boj!

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I've found that the shittier a government a socialist country has, the better the music. Hence, Yugoslavia has the best.

x2UFsRGvOIo

Oj oj oj v boj!

BOURGEOIS JUNGLE MUSIC. Do you want to be sent to Goli Otok?

[JeVousAimeGuillotine]

:lol: As long as I still get to listen to Green Day and their upcoming three albums, I shall be pleased. :wub: