A plan to restore Communism in China

[Bostana]

Does any one have some sort of plan to restore Communism to China?
I know the basics, An anti-revisionist revolution in the CCP and a reverting of all capitalist social, economic and political structures to a path of Maoism decide democratically with set-up workers councils and collective leadership of elected CCP party members.

Anything else?

[Veovis]

Does any one have some sort of plan to restore Communism to China?
I know the basics, An anti-revisionist coup in the CCP and a reverting of all capitalist social, economic and political structures to a path of Maoism decide democratically with set-up workers councils and collective leadership of elected CCP party members.

Anything else?

And you don't get there with a coup.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Well, it would help to first achieve socialism, we can talk about communism later (as I am sure you know they never "achieved" communism).

[Deicide]

Communism has never existed in China. Communism has never existed anywhere, actually.

[Bostana]

And you don't get there with a coup.
Sorry typo

[Veovis]

Sorry typo

That's one hell of a type if you meant "working class revolution" when you said "anti-revisionist coup."

[Yuppie Grinder]

Communism has never existed in China. Communism has never existed anywhere, actually.
90% of human existence has been primitive communism.

OP, you can't restore something that was never there to begin with.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

When Bostana says communism, he really means socialism. Now that we got that all cleared up, I think that China should wait until another revolution comes along (preferably in the United States) and they are able to abandon their current capitalist path (because they have lost the "need" to be capitalist and the new Socialist America will not trade with them anyways) and return to socialism. It is a really complex issue, mainly because the traditional answer would be another socialist revolution, but as long as the capitalist bloc is around, any revolution will most likely end up being for capitalist political reform rather than for the liberation of the proletariat.

[Amal]

That's one hell of a type if you meant "working class revolution" when you said "anti-revisionist coup."
It seems that there is a Chinese wall standing in between them. But I can't see any. Probably my eyes have myopic problems.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

It is actually so complex that I do not really know what to think. The coup plan sounds too anti-proletariat and my plan sounds like I have my head up my ass.

[Bostana]

China is so confusing at this time and date

[Art Vandelay]

China is so confusing at this time and date

Perhaps you could enlighten me to some of the specific causes of confusion? I think with a better understanding of what you are attempting to convey with this thread, better responses could be solicited.

[Amal]

Sorry to say, very few, who are participating in this thread, including me, have very little or practically nil idea about the reality of China. Though from the little information I got, I can say that the workers aren't tolerating capitalist upsurge like dumb. They often revolt and often that revolts cross the legal limit.

[Comrade Samuel]

I have my doubts about any kind of revolution in china in the near future mainly due to their economic superiority to the world and thus their militarie's ability to crush it swiftly. The workers there are among some of the most oppressed in the world at the moment yet I imagine very few know anything of actual Marxism because the government has been straying so far from the ideals that allowed a revolution in the first place. I belive your whole plan here is fairly well constructed and all however there are hundreds and hundreds of logistical bits and pieces that aren't considered at all, not to mention the fact even if this plan was a realistic option, one persons rant on the Internet has a snowballs chance in hell of getting to one of the most isolated nations in the world. It is very easy to share a basic plan for revolution and eventual dictatorship of the prolaterate but implementing and maintaining is a different story entirely.

The poor conditions for the workers are there, the understanding of marxism, open defiance of the government and mob mentality however are not.

You often make the communism/socialism mistake and people may find it easier to explain that instead of address the question so if you want the most information out of your threads try to double check terminology and try not to say anything that gets one group angry at another (yes,yes it is impossible)

[Deicide]

90% of human existence has been primitive communism.


Notice how I said ''Communism'' and not ''Primitive Communism''. As far as I'm aware, they are qualitatively different. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

Anyway... it seems Maoism is the new fad. Meh.. Mao is not as cooool as Stalin, Bostana!


That's one hell of a type if you meant "working class revolution" when you said "anti-revisionist coup."

Rofl.

[Red Rabbit]

I think by Communism, you meant Socialism. And by Socialism you really meant State-Capitalism.

Okay, well first we'll need to start practicing Necromancy. Then, once we've mastered the black arts, we can begin to reanimate the corpses of both Comrade Stalin and Comrade Mao, as only they have the power to fully reinstate Socialism in One Country without it failing.

Once they've restored State-Cap- I mean Socialism in China, then we can begin to restore the glorious Soviet Union as well.

[Thirsty Crow]

The only way to restore socialism is the tanks rolling.
So, in other words, a conspirational coup within the military and the party-state apparatus.
So much for your "Marxism" in the "Leninism".

[Rooster]

Meh, I was under the impression that socialism never existed in China (and that socialism and communism mean the same thing). Nationalisation of production just seems to me to be the way to socialise production and to primitively accumulate capital in a backward country. Both are the historic role of capitalism. The capitalism that collapsed was the result of production running up against distribution. I'm pretty sure that a revolution in China would have to go along the same sort of lines as a revolution in any other capitalist country, namely, the conquest of power by the proletariat.

[Bostana]

I think by Communism, you meant Socialism. And by Socialism you really meant State-Capitalism.

Okay, well first we'll need to start practicing Necromancy. Then, once we've mastered the black arts, we can begin to reanimate the corpses of both Comrade Stalin and Comrade Mao, as only they have the power to fully reinstate Socialism in One Country without it failing.

Once they've restored State-Cap- I mean Socialism in China, then we can begin to restore the glorious Soviet Union as well.

What the fuck,
really?
Do you find it necessary to derail every thread? It's annoying

[Ocean Seal]

Come on guys, be nice. He's just trying to learn. Here's the thing.

So I'll explain

1. There is no such thing as an anti-revisionist revolution. Revolutions are class based.
2. China probably won't go back to Maoism.
2a. The notion of left-wings in the party is outdated and false. Many people ideologically uphold Maoism in China, but China is no longer the imperialized comprador nation that it was in 1949.
2b. China has to stop its own imperialism, hence allying with the national bourgeoisie would be in fact supporting imperialism (it was bad for other reasons back in 1949, but it doesn't make any sense in this context).
3.China can revolt, it starts with workers rights, and getting back the social democratic framework that they had under Mao, and then fueling class contractions which occurred thanks to Mao instituting capitalism in China.

[Krano]

Communism has never existed in China. Communism has never existed anywhere, actually.
There were communes in China, there was a story about the last Maoist village in China few years ago it's probably dead now.

[Yazman]

Moderator action:

It's really quite simple guys. If you don't have a constructive post to make, then don't post! This isn't a thread for commentary on Bostana, if you can't reply seriously to the topic, then don't bother posting. You're not allowed to troll other users or make worthless one-liner jokes, even if the topic seems a bit vague or lacks depth.

Next person who makes another offending post is getting infracted. You're all warned.

[daft punk]

Does any one have some sort of plan to restore Communism to China?
I know the basics, An anti-revisionist revolution in the CCP and a reverting of all capitalist social, economic and political structures to a path of Maoism decide democratically with set-up workers councils and collective leadership of elected CCP party members.

Anything else?
How can you restore something that never existed? Was there a state in China? Yes there was.

[daft punk]

90% of human existence has been primitive communism.

OP, you can't restore something that was never there to begin with.
primitive communism is not communism though.

[Crux]

Does any one have some sort of plan to restore Communism to China?
I know the basics, An anti-revisionist revolution in the CCP and a reverting of all capitalist social, economic and political structures to a path of Maoism decide democratically with set-up workers councils and collective leadership of elected CCP party members.

Anything else?
What ultraleftism is this? You mean to say China is not on the path to socialism? There is already a collective leadership of CCP diligently following Marxism-Leninism-Mao tse tung-thought and applying them to modern conditions.

Or rather what do you think Mao's theory of the National Bourgeosie entail?

what you ought to be talking about is not merely reverting China to an idealized past (granted many thing's were better with the planned economy) but an actual revolution. Worker's councils? sure. But revolutions are not so simple.

[Deicide]

There were communes in China, there was a story about the last Maoist village in China few years ago it's probably dead now.

Since when is ''communism'' a spatially limited commune?

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