Archbishop of Canterbury Demands 'The Lord's Prayer' Be taught In Schools

[Left Leanings]

Look at this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9177734/Archbishop-of-Canterbury-Children-should-be-taught-the-Lords-Prayer.html

The Archbishop of Canterbury, the leader of the Church of England (aka the Anglican Church), has insisted that the so-called 'Lord's Prayer' should be taught in schools.

I can remember having this rammed down my throat in school. In junior school, we had to say it everyday', both in assembly and class. And we used to have to prayer in school assemblies too, in secondary school. And I didn't go to a church school at that.

This sort of thing is a private, not a state matter. The academic and objective study of all world religions (and agnosticism and atheism too) is fine. But compulsory forms of worship and rituals, no.

[cheguvera]

I feel in atheism should be a compulsory subject from year one in every school.Pupils should be taught myths around each & every religions & how certain mental disorders created new religions etc. People lived in past became legend & super natural beings because they were the best cheaters in the history.In india one religious leader managed to make people to worship his genitals.(shiva lingam).Today women were subjected to cover their all bodies because of the myths preached by culprits & crooks lived in the past.

[Prometeo liberado]

These people never cease to amaze me. The more insignificant they become, the more they see the need to have to shove this shit down peoples throats.

[Red Rabbit]

Like I said in your other thread; even though I'm religious, I don't think religious belief should be taught in school, but rather in private such as at home.

It actually surprises me how European countries still don't have separation of church and state, it just seems like an obvious necessity for a modern society.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I agree with leftleanings-the Archbishop of Canterbury is not as bad as other Church leaders in the Christian world-for the most part he is better-but public state schools are not a place for religion. If religion is discussed in class it should be from a multifaith context. Part of the problem might come from the fact that legally speaking, England is still a "Christian state", and the fact that Anglicanism is on the decline. Of course, this isn't the best way to save their religion.


I feel in atheism should be a compulsory subject from year one in every school.Pupils should be taught myths around each & every religions & how certain mental disorders created new religions etc.

How do you know that all religious leaders were insane? This would be brainwashing as offensive as what goes on in most Catholic schools or Madrassas. Don't teach people "atheism", teach them critical thinking and let them make up their own damn mind.


People lived in past became legend & super natural beings because they were the best cheaters in the history.Um, what? Some Gods and supernatural beings reflected historical figures, but many of those people were mythologized after their time by people who wanted to stress the positive values which that person lived by.


In india one religious leader managed to make people to worship his genitals.(shiva lingam).You don't know what you're talking about at all right here. This statement is historically and theologically inaccurate. What is funny too is how your statement here is a particularly childish reflection of Judeo-Christian values ... "ewww, they're worshipping something shaped like a willy, thats gross"


Today women were subjected to cover their all bodies because of the myths preached by culprits & crooks lived in the past.Boy, this is simplistic analysis. Prophets don't have multi-generational mind control, people follow these religions because they feel that they are getting something out of it, and we should not assume that whatever prophet came up with a particular code which seems reactionary today was a "crook" and a "culprit". In fact, often the codes which various religious leaders recommended were themselves based in whatever morality was already prevalent in the area.

[Robocommie]

I feel in atheism should be a compulsory subject from year one in every school.Pupils should be taught myths around each & every religions & how certain mental disorders created new religions etc. People lived in past became legend & super natural beings because they were the best cheaters in the history.In india one religious leader managed to make people to worship his genitals.(shiva lingam).Today women were subjected to cover their all bodies because of the myths preached by culprits & crooks lived in the past.

The amount of ignorance and inaccuracy spewed out here is so bad and so founded in baseless personal prejudice that it's really no more than equal opportunity bigotry against every religious cultural group in the world. The only thing sadder than this expression of childish universal intolerance is the degree to which it will resonate here.

Your ridiculous description of the Shiva Linga and its significance to Hinduism is so disgustingly wrong and insulting that it strongly evokes 19th century British racism against Indians to anyone who takes history and anthropology seriously, any discussions of religious freedom aside.

You should seriously be ashamed, as should anyone who thanked this post.

[Sir Comradical]

I was always a rebel, for me it was 'our father who FARTS in heaven'. Hehehe.

[dodger]

I was always a rebel, for me it was 'our father who FARTS in heaven'. Hehehe.


The only worthwhile response. It is no excuse, but only recently published statistics, which showed that dear old Anglican churches would be empty of a Sunday, has produced this hysterically funny response. Though I pity the poor teachers and pupils. They used to cane us to make us compliant. Today's youth might need C.S. gas and riot batons.

http://www.google.com.ph/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CHEQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.churchinwales.org.uk%2Fresour ces%2Fproperty%2F&ei=YXN3T4bqLfHUiAKSo8ynDg&usg=AFQjCNHRx8DRnf__By7vGndGf9L4qhRwsQ

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

If you think one archbishop pushing for this shit is bad, move to America, where almost all the Christian organizations, churches, and about half of the Republican Party are pushing for prayer in school!!!

[Agathor]

Slightly misleading. He doesn't want kids reciting it every morning in assembly, he just wants it in the syllabus.


"I don't think it's too difficult to introduce children to this and introduce it in plain language and say not 'You've got to pray this,' but this is something that's really, really important to lots and lots of people and can change their lives."

The sort of thing he's talking about is already covered by R.E classes.

Rowan Williams is fundamentally a decent man, and a lefty too. He seemed to see the leadership of the Church of England as primarily a lofty position from which to embarrass the devoutly Anglican Tories. He has rebuked pretty much every Public Bill since the Tories took over.

I suspected that Blair's conversion to popery was motivated more by frustration with Williams than love for the Vatican. It's sad to see him go. (Williams not Blair)

[Left Leanings]

These people never cease to amaze me. The more insignificant they become, the more they see the need to have to shove this shit down peoples throats.

Yep. As they decline, they become aggressive. Voices in the wilderness, you might say :D


Like I said in your other thread; even though I'm religious, I don't think religious belief should be taught in school, but rather in private such as at home.

It actually surprises me how European countries still don't have separation of church and state, it just seems like an obvious necessity for a modern society.

Most people in the UK are disinterested in the Church of England. Its attendance levels are low, and many who do worship regularly, do so cos they were brought up to do it, and they have continued to do so out of habit more than anything. How devout they are is open to debate, but many may as well be as nominally Christian as the rest of us.

There have been many calls for the separation of Church and State, and the disestablishment of the Anglican Church, most notably and vocally, from the National Secular Society.


I was always a rebel, for me it was 'our father who FARTS in heaven'. Hehehe.

That' well cool. Nice one :D


The only worthwhile response. It is no excuse, but only recently published statistics, which showed that dear old Anglican churches would be empty of a Sunday, has produced this hysterically funny response. Though I pity the poor teachers and pupils. They used to cane us to make us compliant. Today's youth might need C.S. gas and riot batons.

http://www.google.com.ph/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CHEQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.churchinwales.org.uk%2Fresour ces%2Fproperty%2F&ei=YXN3T4bqLfHUiAKSo8ynDg&usg=AFQjCNHRx8DRnf__By7vGndGf9L4qhRwsQ

C.S. gas and riot batons, eh. Perhaps we have some up and coming young revolutionaries among them lol


If you think one archbishop pushing for this shit is bad, move to America, where almost all the Christian organizations, churches, and about half of the Republican Party are pushing for prayer in school!!!

Yep. America is said to be rather more religious than the UK. You have the so-called Bible Belt to deal with, and the likes of the televengelists as well.

[Left Leanings]

Rowan Williams is fundamentally a decent man, and a lefty too. He seemed to see the leadership of the Church of England as primarily a lofty position from which to embarrass the devoutly Anglican Tories. He has rebuked pretty much every Public Bill since the Tories took over.

I suspected that Blair's conversion to popery was motivated more by frustration with Williams than love for the Vatican. It's sad to see him go. (Williams not Blair)

To be fair, he has been very critical of government cuts and such like. He was a thorn in the side to Blair, and continues to be one to Cameron also.

This is very much to his credit, and he is preferable to the reactionary, Tory toffee-noses of yesteryear.

[Robocommie]

This is very much to his credit, and he is preferable to the reactionary, Tory toffee-noses of yesteryear.

Toffee-noses, that's interesting, I don't think I've ever heard that one before. :lol:

[Left Leanings]

Toffee-noses, that's interesting, I don't think I've ever heard that one before. :lol:

Haha, it's a term in popular usage round my way, for people who are rich, snobs, Tory-voting etc, especially if they have a degree of disdain for the working class with it :D

[Althusser]

How can you have any pudding if you don't say THE LORD'S PRAYER?!?!