International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam

[Babeufist]

The International Pan Islamic Communist Party of Proletarian Islam is an International Pan Islamic Communist Party the ideology of our Party is Proletarian Islam which is Islam thought from the standpoint of the international Pan Islamic Working Class our goal is the reunification of the Pan Islamic homeland which stretches from West Africa to Indonesia into one Nation State an Proletarian Islamic Socialist Superstate and Caliphate. which will be under the leadership of the Pan Islamic Working Class. with an Proletarian Islamic Socialist Government moving towards World Proletarian Islamic Communism we can be contracted at [email protected] ([email protected])

http://proletarianislam.wordpress.com/ (http://proletarianislam.wordpress.com/)
I think they are adherents of the Tan Malaka's line http://www.revleft.com/vb/communism-and-pan-t169698/index.html?p=2401740

[Искра]

Bunch of bollocks. Get the Allah out of your ass.

[ВАЛТЕР]

What a bunch of nonsense. "Islamic Socialism" is a ridiculous term that has no basis in reality.

[Per Levy]

so if they strive for world islam will there be a place for atheist workers or christian workers or *insert other religion* workers?

besides that this little statement is highly confused, a caliphate, a aristocratic system, under proletarian rule, sure. internet "party" and nothing more.

[Babeufist]

I don't agree with critical voices.
Primo - I believe in a united front of a pluralist Left rather than any sterile sectarian doctrinaire monolith.
Secundo - I see the platform of any convergence: Islam is an anti-imperialist force in the contemporary world; Islam contains many egalitarian and internationalist elements.
Tertio - there was tradition of the Islamic communism (do you know Sultan-Galiyev or Tan Malaka?).
Therefore I prefer moderate attitude towards Islamic fundamentalism like this
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker2/index.php?action=viewarticle&article_id=91811 (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker2/index.php?action=viewarticle&article_id=91811) (compare http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/articles/iayry-sayyid-qutb-marxist-socialism-and-the-leninist-revolutionary-vanguard.cfm (http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/articles/iayry-sayyid-qutb-marxist-socialism-and-the-leninist-revolutionary-vanguard.cfm) and http://www.takfiris.com/takfir/ (http://www.takfiris.com/takfir/) )

aristocratic system
Are you sure?

[Ocean Seal]

They see me trolling, they hatin'
Come on Caliphate Communism? Seriously guys stop giving Glenn Beck tv material.

[Per Levy]

@Babeufist: werent you some kind of polish nationalist, oh im sorry, "patriot"?

why do you want leftist to support religios fundamentalists who are by defenition reactionary?

it also would be nice if you actually engaged the critical voices you dont agree with, in something like a discussion. cause i would still like to know what the place of non islamic workers would be in this "one Nation State an Proletarian Islamic Socialist Superstate and Caliphate"?

[Babeufist]

Per Levy, you are right: I'm "kind of polish nationalist" and therefore I'm interested in "one Nation State an Proletarian Islamic Socialist Superstate and Caliphate". Everybody knows Polish nationalists are Muslims and want the One-World Caliphate. How you Yankees say - LOL? You should to know most of Polish nationalists (Prawo i Sprawiedliwosc - Law and Justice - party) are very pro-American and Islamophobic.
But yes - I support all anti-imperialist forces. I don't think all religious forces are reactionary. I wrote about it above (you could read Tan Malaka speach for example). I think the RESPECT alliance with Muslim community is good strategy.The anti-imperialist alliance of the proletariat and oppressed nations is Leninist strategy (unfortunately I have only Polish source: Lenin, Dzieła, t. 30, s. 149).
And could I ask you: weren't you an American imperialist (oh, I'm sorry - "anti-nationalist") who oppose of an anti-imperialist struggle?
PS
About discussion: I'm sorry but my English is limited and I have a little time because I'm very busy. I can only to discuss sometimes. I wrote what I wrote. And I'm dropping out now.

[Q]

Oh, is that blog still around? Making it a laughing stock again is so retro (http://www.revleft.com/vb/international-pan-islamic-t133365/index.html?t=133365).

[Rafiq]

Troll site.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Proletarian Islamic Socialist Superstate and Caliphate

This is the kind of shit that makes Glenn Beck and the entire Tea Party shit their pants. This "pan-Islamic socialist" thing sounds less about making socialism an international phenomenon and more about making it an Islamic-centered phenomenon. This is against everything true socialism is about, no matter what ideology or tendency.

[dodger]

It's starting to make perfect sense!!...... Laugh if you dare.

The Islamic Proletariat will have the last laugh.


Then the joke will be on you working class infidels!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Per Levy]

Per Levy, you are right: I'm "kind of polish nationalist" and therefore I'm interested in "one Nation State an Proletarian Islamic Socialist Superstate and Caliphate". Everybody knows Polish nationalists are Muslims and want the One-World Caliphate. You should to know most of Polish nationalists (Prawo i Sprawiedliwosc - Law and Justice - party) are very pro-American and Islamophobic.

i apologize here, i did remember some of your posts in a wrong way. so yeah, my bad.


But yes - I support all anti-imperialist forces. I don't think all religious forces are reactionary. I wrote about it above (you could read Tan Malaka speach for example). I think the RESPECT alliance with Muslim community is good strategy.The anti-imperialist alliance of the proletariat and oppressed nations is Leninist strategy (unfortunately I have only Polish source: Lenin, Dzieła, t. 30, s. 149).

i've read malakas speach i find it quite opportunistic tbh, and it is filled with class colaboration, wich anti-imperialism in itself pretty much is, classcolaboration to fight the "international" bourgeosie and to put the "national" bourgeosie in power of a bourgeois state.


How you Yankees say - LOL? And could I ask you: weren't you an American imperialist (oh, I'm sorry - "anti-nationalist") who oppose of an anti-imperialist struggle?

well first of all i never supported us imperialism, unlike many anti-imperialists i also dont support russian or chinese or any other imperialism and unlike many anti-imps i dont support reactionary, bourgeois and religios fundamentalist forces.
second of all, im not american, i dont even live in north america and english isnt my native language, tadaa.


About discussion: I'm sorry but my English is limited and I have a little time because I'm very busy. I can only to discuss sometimes. I wrote what I wrote. And I'm dropping out now.

ah dont worry, private time is more importent then internet anyday and anytime of the life, and about the english thing, you get used to it. took me some years to get as "good" as im now, still hardly good but it works. also your english is actually pretty good, so dont worry about that.

[SHORAS]

Bunch of bollocks.

this

[seventeethdecember2016]

http://proletarianislam.wordpress.com/ (http://proletarianislam.wordpress.com/)
I think they are adherents of the Tan Malaka's line http://www.revleft.com/vb/communism-and-pan-t169698/index.html?p=2401740
It is kind of hard to get public acknowledgement of a name like that.

In my opinion, religions could offer support for the advancement of Socialism.
The Atheist revolution will come, but we shouldn't associate it with a Proletarian Revolution if we wish to be successful. Atheists should not be zealots, rather they should be apathetic towards religion. We should distance ourselves from people like Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins, as they will simply breed hate for our cause which has nothing to do with religion.

We must also be vigilant, and if we can get a favorable popularity booster from the Church, why wouldn't we take it?

[Q]

We must also be vigilant, and if we can get a favorable popularity booster from the Church, why wouldn't we take it?

I don't know. Maybe because organised religion is almost unanimously against the very idea of working class self-emancipation (which would render their organisations powerless)?

The question is popularity for what? If you advocate for a party ruling over the masses, "for their own good", then yes it might be a good idea to try and get support from hierarchical organisations such as the church. But it has nothing to do with the communist project of universal human liberation.

Communists stand against organised religion for the above reasons, but not against religious people as such. Religion should be a private matter.

[seventeethdecember2016]

Communists stand against organised religion for the above reasons, but not against religious people as such. Religion should be a private matter.
Well I was simply suggesting that the Church promote and sponsor a Proletarian Revolution. The Church is influential, so why wouldn't we use it?

I've read that the Bulgarian Orthodox Church was full of Communists, and high ranking Church officials worked as an appendage to the state.
Why couldn't a modern Revolution adopt this Bulgarian tactic, or something similar?

[ckaihatsu]

Well I was simply suggesting that the Church promote and sponsor a Proletarian Revolution. The Church is influential, so why wouldn't we use it?


I think you're missing the whole point of what organized religion is about.

Societal institutions like the church vie -- and even jockey and compete -- for membership according to their "grand worldview of life", for lack of a better term. In more modern times the religious worldview has lost ground to royalty and nobility, then academia, then the nation-state, and more recently to science and public / popular education generally.

But the church is always there, always ready to make a comeback and assume authority over any aspect of people's lives if it's given a chance. The mass authority of a people's proletarian revolution would necessarily displace the authority of organized religion, completely.


[9] culture and critique framework

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[NoPasaran1936]

Mixing state and religion?

No thanks.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

The entry on Romney and Russia just made my day...:laugh: