gay christian schollar talks bible & homosexuality

[Sasha]

Yes I know the huff is evil and shouldn't be linked to but I thought this might be useful for those among us struggling with religious fueled bigotry in their family:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-vines/bible-homosexuality_b_1378368.html

[lombas]

I can also recommend Dale B. Martin's Sex and the Single Savior. Gender and Sexuality in Biblical Interpretation. It's full of arguments... and stuffed with Biblical references.

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Dale Martin is Woolsey Professor of Religious Studies at Yale University.

The interesting thing of the "homosexuality" chapter of the book is that Martin digs in to the original Greek (translation of the) text and points to the fact that some "common" interpretations might not be so self-evident at all.

This will definitely keep your religious parents from wanting to debate any further with you...

Also, the book is nice for other interpretations like marriage, &c.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

For younger scholars...

http://www.chadzboyz.com/chadz/beliefsreligion/462-homosexuality-and-the-bible

http://www.chadzboyz.com/chadz/beliefsreligion/448-the-bible-no-hell-for-gays

...and others in that section.

[Red Rabbit]

Real Christians don't care what your sexual preferences are. Pretty sure Jesus wouldn't punch another guy in the face for coming on to him.

And again; "Judge not lest ye be judged". Most "Christians" seem to forget this.

[The Young Pioneer]

GCN is a pretty cool YouTube for this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/user/GayChristianNetwork

[Red Rabbit]

GCN is a pretty cool YouTube for this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/user/GayChristianNetwork

I'll have to show this to some of my friends, I think they'll like it. :)

[TheGodlessUtopian]

GCN is a pretty cool YouTube for this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/user/GayChristianNetwork

As well as the Gay Christian Fellowship (http://gaychristianfellowship.com/).

[Althusser]

disregard scripture

aquire happiness

[Althusser]

Real Christians are closed minded imbecilic homophobes. Christians that aren't, well..... they are what Stalinists would call REVISIONISTS!!!

[Red Rabbit]

disregard scripture

aquire happiness

Hm, took 8 posts. Interesting.


Real Christians are closed minded imbecilic homophobes. Christians that aren't, well..... they are what Stalinists would call REVISIONISTS!!!

And there you have it. 9 posts for the real idiocy.

[Ele'ill]

☭Comrade☭, in the future please make an effort to make more constructive posts, thanks

[The Young Pioneer]

Real Christians are closed minded imbecilic homophobes. Christians that aren't, well..... they are what Stalinists would call REVISIONISTS!!!

I love that Gandhi quote: I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

[gorillafuck]

to be honest the bible is pretty clear on homosexuality, regardless of what some liberal christians think.

[Red Rabbit]

to be honest the bible is pretty clear on homosexuality, regardless of what some liberal christians think.

If you're referring to the Old Testament, most Liberal and Left-Wing Christians admit that it has been edited and isn't the direct word of God, and so take its writings with a grain of salt.

If you're referring to the New Testament, could you please cite your source?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

to be honest the bible is pretty clear on homosexuality, regardless of what some liberal christians think.

It is actually pretty vague and doesn't say specifics. Modern bigots have simply used ambiguity to distort any meaning.

[sithsaber]

Real Christians are closed minded imbecilic homophobes. Christians that aren't, well..... they are what Stalinists would call REVISIONISTS!!!

Although i don't agree with the first sentence, i kind of agree to the second. Certain things are a biblical constant, with banning of homosexuality being one. Changing this belief into something more PC changes the faith itself, and kind of is revisionist

[ed miliband]

i don't get people's point when they say christians who don't follow the bible's* teachings on homosexuality are hypocrites, or that "liberal christians" are ignoring the bible or whatever - would you rather all christians were homophobes?


*actually kinda ridiculous to talk of a single "bible" since there are so many translations, some of which translate that notorious passage in leviticus as saying homosexuality is a sin punishable by death, others saying it makes god "unhappy", etc

[The Machine]

It is actually pretty vague and doesn\'t say specifics. Modern bigots have simply used ambiguity to distort any meaning.

Leviticus 18 22

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Leviticus 18 22

Quote it in full than we can get something going.

[Brosip Tito]

Quote it in full than we can get something going.
It's a fictional work, written by numerous desert dwellers, very prejudiced and crazy. I don't see why anyone would be surprised that it condemns homosexual acts...and shellfish.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

[Red Rabbit]

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination."
Leviticus 18:22 NKJV

Again, it's the Old Testament, AKA the part of the Bible that has been edited several times over.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination."
Leviticus 18:22 NKJV

Again, it's the Old Testament, AKA the part of the Bible that has been edited several times over.

Back than abomination simply meant "Unclean." Also considered an abomination was people who eat shell fish, mix strands of fibers, and plant several crops in the same field.

If one wishes to take such a passage to its logical conclusion such a line is a warning about sexual diseases (as Leviticus is all about cleanliness).

[Red Rabbit]

Back than abomination simply meant "Unclean." Also considered an abomination was people who eat shell fish, mix strands of fibers, and plant several crops in the same field.

If one wishes to take such a passage to its logical conclusion such a line is a warning about sexual diseases (as Leviticus is all about cleanliness).

That actually does make a lot of sense now that you mention it.

I personally think a lot of these misunderstandings stem from the Bible having been originally written in an ancient language, and as such is difficult to translate into other language while still keeping the same exact meaning.

[Brosip Tito]

Back than abomination simply meant "Unclean." Also considered an abomination was people who eat shell fish, mix strands of fibers, and plant several crops in the same field.

If one wishes to take such a passage to its logical conclusion such a line is a warning about sexual diseases (as Leviticus is all about cleanliness).
Yeah, that'd be nice if it didn't continue, in Leviticus 20:13 with:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

It may be unclean, but God sure wants them uncleans to be dead.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Yeah, that'd be nice if it didn't continue, in Leviticus 20:13 with:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."

It may be unclean, but God sure wants them uncleans to be dead.

http://gaychristianfellowship.com/articles.php?aid=1014&cid=20

...among other things that will answer your confusion.

[Brosip Tito]

http://gaychristianfellowship.com/articles.php?aid=1014&cid=20

...among other things that will answer your confusion.
I mean, I'm not one to be supportive of those who take the bible literally, but I see them as the only actual Christians. These "metaphorical" Christians are kinda lame to me.

I don't see the bible as a book of purely good. This site isn't convincing me.

This group's goal is to interpret the bible in a homosexual friendly way, which is nice, but I don't see a reason to change the bible for what it is. A piece of shit, promoting genocide, violence, bigotry and other such things.

If it makes you feel better to believe in Jesus Christ and the bible when you're gay, then so be it. I'm not one to complain if you're happy, even blindly so.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I mean, I'm not one to be supportive of those who take the bible literally, but I see them as the only actual Christians. These "metaphorical" Christians are kinda lame to me.

I don't see the bible as a book of purely good. This site isn't convincing me.

This group's goal is to interpret the bible in a homosexual friendly way, which is nice, but I don't see a reason to change the bible for what it is. A piece of shit, promoting genocide, violence, bigotry and other such things.

If it makes you feel better to believe in Jesus Christ and the bible when you're gay, then so be it. I'm not one to complain if you're happy, even blindly so.

I hate the bible and honestly don't care about interpretations but there is history that is overlooked that goes beyond metaphors.

[ed miliband]

It's a fictional work, written by numerous desert dwellers, very prejudiced and crazy. I don't see why anyone would be surprised that it condemns homosexual acts...and shellfish.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

it would be great if franz fanoninpants was here to pick you up on this, as i imagine he would

[Brosip Tito]

it would be great if franz fanoninpants was here to pick you up on this, as i imagine he would
Hmm?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination."
Leviticus 18:22 NKJV

Again, it's the Old Testament, AKA the part of the Bible that has been edited several times over.
And what about the New Testament? If your reasoning is it's been edited several times you might as well just throw the whole entire Bible into the garbage. I mean the actual Bible was finally decided upon hundreds of years after the events were even supposed to take place and most NT books were written decades after Jesus was supposed to have died. So either some editing took place over that time period or the writers have amazing as hell memory.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

http://gaychristianfellowship.com/articles.php?aid=1014&cid=20

...among other things that will answer your confusion.
Yeah that's not very convincing to me. So the "real" translation is one of three things:
God doesn't want you to have gay sex and wants you dead if you do.
God doesn't want you to have gay sex if you are hetero and wants you dead if you do.
God doesn't want you to have gay sex if it's going to be in a woman's bed and wants you dead if you do have gay sex in a woman's bed.

Which one seems the more likely? What is currently in the Bible now imo, the other two don't make much sense at all and hardly warrant a death penalty if God is alright with gay sex.

[Ostrinski]

God was one pedantic bastard.