Libertarianism…Starting Now!

[Prinskaj]

http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2012/03/libertarianism-starting-now/

[RGacky3]

That article makes no sense.

Heres what the coversation in the begining would have looked like.

Adam clubs george over the head and takes his Ipad

Adam says "Ow, give that back."

George hits him again and leaves.

[NewLeft]

George could just call the police and have Adam arrested.

[hatzel]

george could just call the police and have adam arrested.

acab

[RGacky3]

My post was'nt just being douchy, its an actual point, libertarians love to talk about abstract principles like what is justified and such, wihtout actually talking about how real conditions actually mold the world and how principles actually get into practice.

So basically it does'nt matter at all what is justified for who unless people have power to enforce it, so it does'nt matter if hisotorical injustices are valid now, what matters is who has what power.

[danyboy27]

One of the main weakness of libertarian is their claim that property right is something that happen out of the blue in nature while in fact its obvious that any sort of ownership is subjective and engineered by the group of people who set it up.

[Geiseric]

Libertarians are utopian fascists... Total selfish scum who don't realise what it means to be human.

[¿Que?]

What's the difference between what the article argues for and liberalism?

[danyboy27]

What's the difference between what the article argues for and liberalism?

Well not much i guess since libertarianism is the rotten corpse of the victorian era liberalism brought back to life by a bunch of modern day reactionaries without any basic knowledge of what society was like back in the day.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

i reckon libertarianism is nothing more than the populist rhetoric of mainstream conservative parties (namely the american gop) transformed into an ideology. just ignore them and move on. they're politically marginalized and alienated, hardly actual representatives of prevailing bourgeois political theory.

[danyboy27]

i reckon libertarianism is nothing more than the populist rhetoric of mainstream conservative parties (namely the american gop) transformed into an ideology. just ignore them and move on. they're politically marginalized and alienated, hardly actual representatives of prevailing bourgeois political theory.

we could have said the same for the german fascist party during the 30s.

fascists dosnt require an overwhelming support of the bourgeoisie to come into power, all they need is their consent and the support from the petit bourgeois.

[Strannik]

It seems to me that there's a difference between fascism and libertarianism. While both are certainly petty bourgeois ideologies controlled by bourgeois interests, fascism was outspokenly collectivist. Fascism shaped petty bourgeoise into an army, ready to march into death on the battlefield. Libertarianism seems more about controlling the petty bourgeoise by keeping them in an atomized state. So I guess its "fascism" for peace times.

[danyboy27]

It seems to me that there's a difference between fascism and libertarianism. While both are certainly petty bourgeois ideologies controlled by bourgeois interests, fascism was outspokenly collectivist. Fascism shaped petty bourgeoise into an army, ready to march into death on the battlefield. Libertarianism seems more about controlling the petty bourgeoise by keeping them in an atomized state. So I guess its "fascism" for peace times.

Of course fascism is different from libertarianism, i just wanted to specify that ignoring a populist political ideology is not a verry good idea.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

libertarianism is counterproductive to everybody's class interests tho. it only serves the bourgeoisie as a form of rhetoric, not as actual policy.

[danyboy27]

libertarianism is counterproductive to everybody's class interests tho. it only serves the bourgeoisie as a form of rhetoric, not as actual policy.

we could say the same about fascism.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

no you couldnt. when i see a libertarian regime effectively installed and the bourgeoisie benefiting in any way, i will eat my fucking hat. it will never happen. it will never have the consent of the bourgeoisie or the support of the petit bourgeoisie. even in the united states where (classical) liberalism is an almost universally worshiped dogma, and where the libertarian discourse is highly effective and where something like the tea party gained considerable traction, all support went to mainstream conservative cadidates. ron paul received no financial backing and even less electoral support. even mildly libertarian candidates like herman cain were marginalized from the race.