Gun owners?

[Misanthrope]

Does anyone here own guns? I'm planning on legally getting one next year once I turn 18. Anyone have any views on this

[Decolonize The Left]

theredson is who you should speak to.

- August

[Brosip Tito]

I own a .308 rifle. That's it.

My views? Arm the worker.

[heyjoe]

well it says on your profile that you live in illinois so you wont be able to carry one outside of your house due to Illinois law. you also cant buy a handgun from a dealer until you are 21, though under federal law you can own one, im not sure about Illinois law on that. you can get a rifle or shotgun for the house. Shotguns are good self defense alternatives for the home.
The right is armed, I wouldnt recommend the left leave itself unarmed. it seems only liberals have problems with people owning guns.

[The Douche]

Yeah, I've owned a lot of different guns, and been exposed to even more in the army.

[Misanthrope]

well it says on your profile that you live in illinois so you wont be able to carry one outside of your house due to Illinois law. you also cant buy a handgun from a dealer until you are 21, though under federal law you can own one, im not sure about Illinois law on that. you can get a rifle or shotgun for the house. Shotguns are good self defense alternatives for the home.
The right is armed, I wouldnt recommend the left leave itself unarmed. it seems only liberals have problems with people owning guns.

Yeah I have a friend who has a shotgun for home use, that's probably what I'll go with.. maybe a hand gun as well of some sort. Illinois is a horrible state for the record.

[heyjoe]

a pump action 12 gauge loaded with 00 buckshot should do well for home defense. it wont over penetrate through walls and put others in the house in danger. you can also use slugs to practice with at the range. another plus is they arent a lot of money.

a revolver such as a smith and wesson model 10 .38 caliber is a good handgun to learn on. simple and basic to operate, decent power, holds 6 rounds, comfortable to shoot.

[Misanthrope]

a pump action 12 gauge loaded with 0 buckshot should do well for home defense. it wont over penetrate through walls and put others in the house in danger. you can also use slugs to practice with at the range. another plus is they arent a lot of money.

a revolver such as a smith and wesson model 10 .38 caliber is a good handgun to learn on. simple and basic to operate, decent power, holds 6 rounds, comfortable to shoot.

Thanks for the help buddy, cheers!

[#FF0000]

guns are neat.

don't be a fucking idiot though and keep them pointed the fuck downrange

[Ele'ill]

Does anyone here own guns?

Yes

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Check out some local gun shows

You can usually find some pretty badass deals there

[Drosophila]

Here in New Jersey we have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. We also have two cities that are on the top of the list for most violent crimes.

[Искра]

This baby. From 1942 :)

http://images04.olx.com/ui/1/59/87/1955287_1.jpg

[Ostrinski]

I want a rocket launcher

edit: the hell would I do with it though

[Susurrus]

http://i.imgur.com/Dt5Oz.jpg

[Rusty Shackleford]

best comic ever. and im soon to be a mosin owner. imma gussy it up a bit with a nice new stock and all that. its a pretty nice one too, made in '23.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I want a rocket launcher

edit: the hell would I do with it though
I can see the story on Fox News because of this post now ...

"Known communist guerrillas in Kentucky have been found to be seeking out weapons of mass destruction in an attempt to ..."

[bcbm]

i have a pistol

[Os Cangaceiros]

yeah i have a few.

[Lilith]

I generally hate gun nuts. And by generally, I mean always.

[Renegade Saint]

I generally hate gun nuts. And by generally, I mean always.
What qualifies one as a "nut"?

[ВАЛТЕР]

Get an SKS. They are solid rifles and are a lot of fun to shoot.:thumbup1:

[Lilith]

What qualifies one as a "nut"?
Really, really liking guns. Owning more than one. Knowing what the fuck a Mosin is. Crying about gubmint takkin arr gunz.

If more than one of the above applies to you, then I'm afraid you are a gun nut.

[#FF0000]

Really, really liking guns. Owning more than one. Knowing what the fuck a Mosin is. Crying about gubmint takkin arr gunz.

If more than one of the above applies to you, then I'm afraid you are a gun nut.

:(

[#FF0000]

(i like my mosin a lot tho)

[Lilith]

Seek help.

[ellipsis]

a pump action 12 gauge loaded with 0 buckshot should do well for home defense. it wont over penetrate through walls and put others in the house in danger. you can also use slugs to practice with at the range. another plus is they arent a lot of money.

a revolver such as a smith and wesson model 10 .38 caliber is a good handgun to learn on. simple and basic to operate, decent power, holds 6 rounds, comfortable to shoot.

I don't know why august mentioned me.

But heyjoe, that advice inaccurate. 0 (single aught) buck with definitely penetrate through walls, doors, etc. Why would you practice with slugs if a)you're shooting shot and b) they cost about $.75-1/round? Yes pump shotguns are cheap and awesome.

I really hate gun threads because I often have to come in an correct grossly inaccurate things people say. But as the resident gun fetishist (see upcoming "History of revleft") I can't resist showing how smart I am. :D

[ellipsis]

Really, really liking guns. Owning more than one. Knowing what the fuck a Mosin is. Crying about gubmint takkin arr gunz.

If more than one of the above applies to you, then I'm afraid you are a gun nut.

I, for one am glad that all the "gun nuts" aren't all white nationalists or corporate and government goons.

Enjoy the haterade, I'll be enjoying the ability to defend myself, enjoy a sport and harvest my own wild meat.

Also, I forsee... restriction.

[Lilith]

Also, I forsee... restriction.

I wasn't aware hating gun nuts could get you a restriction. I do really, really, really HATE them with a hot fiery passion, though.

[ellipsis]

I wasn't aware hating gun nuts could get you a restriction. I do really, really, really HATE them with a hot fiery passion, though.

Haven't you heard? We do whatever we want. :D

But seriously it can't, but these types of attitudes are a gateway to liberalism.

Also enjoy that fiery hate.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Really, really liking guns. Owning more than one. Knowing what the fuck a Mosin is. Crying about gubmint takkin arr gunz.

If more than one of the above applies to you, then I'm afraid you are a gun nut.

Honestly I think that most people who are simultaneously gun nuts and big fans of Mosins are left-wing nerdarios like the ones on this site.

I own guns and am a left-wing nerdario, but for some reason I have no interest in that particular rifle, strangely. I don't roleplay the seige of Leningrad, though.

I like guns. I've defended gun ownership more than a few times on this site. I come from solid bubba hillbilly NRA-member stock, though. There are gun nuts up in them thar hills...

[PC LOAD LETTER]

We aren't democrats. There's essentially zero support for gun control here.

Hopefully by this coming deer season I'll have my own .30-06 instead of borrowing my dad's .30-30

[ellipsis]

verbal warning to surrusus(?) for posting off-topic meme image. this is not chit-chat.

[The Young Pioneer]

I'm not a big fan of guns when idiots get a hold of them.

Which is why I don't personally own one. :D

I did once handle an SKS when I was in Moscow though, so I know how to assemble and dis-assemble if ever the need for this knowledge should arise. ;)

[heyjoe]

I don't know why august mentioned me.

But heyjoe, that advice inaccurate. 0 (single aught) buck with definitely penetrate through walls, doors, etc. Why would you practice with slugs if a)you're shooting shot and b) they cost about $.75-1/round? Yes pump shotguns are cheap and awesome.

I really hate gun threads because I often have to come in an correct grossly inaccurate things people say. But as the resident gun fetishist (see upcoming "History of revleft") I can't resist showing how smart I am. :D

that was a typo, i lost a 0 in there. i meant 00 buckshot. i would practice with slugs also for purposes not doing with home self defense. if you have a particular gun learn to use it and be familiar with its applications.
Calling people who know about and own a gun or two gun nuts is a liberal position. Guns are tools. The far right is well armed. Dont get caught short.

[Franz Fanonipants]

do you guys like to hunt thinkin about saving up for some elk tags for next year

[PC LOAD LETTER]

do you guys like to hunt thinkin about saving up for some elk tags for next year
Never been elk hunting before

Sounds exciting

[Franz Fanonipants]

also idk if i can square w/all this handgun business rifles are all i'm really ok w/having

[Franz Fanonipants]

Never been elk hunting before

Sounds exciting

went the first time when i was 17

it was pretty formative

we slaughter animals where i grew up but hunting is different

[CountryKid]

Yes.

I am currently studying Gunsmithing online, while working with a Gunsmith friend for experience.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

also idk if i can square w/all this handgun business rifles are all i'm really ok w/having
Handguns can be necessary. Imagine there's a pissed-off grizzly mama (or, you know, a zombie, or a nazi, whatever) charging you relatively close. Do you fumble with a shaky scope and try to shoot, then re-chamber a round awkwardly, shoot again? Or would you rather grab the .45 auto on your waist and put 8 rounds into its face in a matter of seconds? :)

went the first time when i was 17

it was pretty formative

we slaughter animals where i grew up but hunting is different
I want to go elk hunting, but it would require me to travel up north/west ... something I can't afford. I do enjoy deer/hog hunting, though. I completely suck at tracking, something I really want to work on.

[Franz Fanonipants]

just hit the rockies

and yeah i suppose idk

i guess the guys i knew who murdered other guys didn't do it w.handguns but a handgun just seems like an invitation to get into dumb situations

[PC LOAD LETTER]

just hit the rockies

and yeah i suppose idk

i guess the guys i knew who murdered other guys didn't do it w.handguns but a handgun just seems like an invitation to get into dumb situations
I'm in Georgia, the rockies are far :lol:

Although I could always go back to Louisiana and play with alligators like I did as a kid.

[The Young Pioneer]

I'm in Georgia, the rockies are far :lol:

Although I could always go back to Louisiana and play with alligators like I did as a kid.

Appalachian works too.

[Lilith]

i guess the guys i knew who murdered other guys didn't do it w.handguns but a handgun just seems like an invitation to get into dumb situations

Well, you are not a real man until you own a handgun, so get to it.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Appalachian works too.
I had no idea there were elk in Appalachia until your post

Thank you

Well, you are not a real man until you own a handgun, so get to it.
I do hope you're joking

[Renegade Saint]

i guess the guys i knew who murdered other guys didn't do it w.handguns but a handgun just seems like an invitation to get into dumb situations
A CWP is an invitation to get into dumb situations. Handguns in general, not so much.

[Franz Fanonipants]

i pulled a gun on a guy one time

a year or so later i had a gun pulled on me and felt really bad for pulling the gun on the first guy

[Pretty Flaco]

somebody trying to rob you?


shoot some potatoes at that mofo!
http://www.shortarmguy.com/DocVogtPotatoGun.jpg

[PC LOAD LETTER]

somebody trying to rob you?


shoot some potatoes at that mofo!
http://www.shortarmguy.com/DocVogtPotatoGun.jpg

I once made a carrot shotgun out of one of those. The PVC pipe diameter was roughly the diameter of a smedium carrot. Take two slices off a carrot, put one in, put tic-tacs in, then cover the back with another slice. Push down to compress. Fill with fuel aerosol (like anti-static aerosol spray from the laundry aisle) and LIGHT (I used a barbecue pit lighter attached to two opposing screws).

If you get the clearances right it's fucking nuts

[Pretty Flaco]

to be honest id feel so bad ass with a beretta.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/2553233172_2d40eebfc6.jpg

probably get myself shot or some shit, but hey that's life.

[Ostrinski]

Handguns just look so boring. I need something like a flamethrower or something to feel really badass. I'd go apeshit and roast motherfuckers viet cong style

[Susurrus]

Handguns just look so boring. I need something like a flamethrower or something to feel really badass. I'd go apeshit and roast motherfuckers viet cong style

As I recall, it was the US forces that used flamethrowers, not the viet cong.

Also:
V4nknAzQPHE

[piet11111]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82_%D1%81% D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B_%D0%A8%D0%BF%D 0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80._1 941.jpg/800px-%D0%9F%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82_%D1%81% D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B_%D0%A8%D0%BF%D 0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80._1 941.jpg


PPSh-41 is the gun i would probably find most fun to shoot.
SKS or mosin nagant if i was legally allowed to own guns here so i don't need to buy bullets by the bucket.

[Rusty Shackleford]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82_%D1%81% D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B_%D0%A8%D0%BF%D 0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80._1 941.jpg/800px-%D0%9F%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82-%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82_%D1%81% D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B_%D0%A8%D0%BF%D 0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80._1 941.jpg


PPSh-41 is the gun i would probably find most fun to shoot.
SKS or mosin nagant if i was legally allowed to own guns here so i don't need to buy bullets by the bucket.


have fun holding an awkward 12 pounds.

[NoPasaran1936]

I want a rocket launcher

edit: the hell would I do with it though

Blow shit up, obszzzzzzzzzzz

I've always wanted to own an active Mosin Nagant 1981 dragoon model, have loved it since Call of Duty, when you're the Red Army soldier running in waves....

Although, since I was in Army cadets (5-6 years ago) the L85A1 was a lovely piece of machinery, the bullpup design meant the weight was shifted into the shoulder, making accuracy much better, problem was for us lefties (as in handling)

[The Douche]

One time I almost brought my 1911 to a party on accident.

I do not have a concealed permit, we were at my apartment drinking a few beers before going to a party and looking at my new 1911. When we were done with it I put it in my pants cause I didn't feel like putting it away, then we got the text to come over, so we piled into my friends car. Right as we were rolling out of my complex I felt something digging in my ass, though it was the seatbelt, pulled out a loaded 1911 and was just like "hahaha, we should turn around, guys".

[Renegade Saint]

to be honest id feel so bad ass with a beretta.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/2553233172_2d40eebfc6.jpg

probably get myself shot or some shit, but hey that's life.
To be honest you're the first person I've met (in a manner of speaking) who didn't think the Beretta 92 was a piece of shit.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

To be honest you're the first person I've met (in a manner of speaking) who didn't think the Beretta 92 was a piece of shit.
I borrowed someone's once and brought it to a range. Pretty accurate at 10m ... half-dollar grouping for the whole clip. Almost no recoil. No jams.

But that was one session .... *shrugs*

[Rusty Shackleford]

if anyone plans on gettign a 'first gun' get something with a very common caliber. that, or a warsaw pact caliber. 7.62x39 and 7.62x25 and 7.62x54R are cheap as shit.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Standard Balkan weapons of choice



The M57 Zastava tokarev variant. 7.62x25mm or as known by its pet name "Tetejac"

Common at weddings and other celebrations.

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=42573&d=1294310574

and of course:



The M70 Zastava Kalashnikov variant.

Everybody in this region has access to one, if they do not have one. They can get one within 24 hours...guaranteed.

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/3697152142/7750192/76b7b62ba4e8ab260a7f32645261690c.jpg

[Rusty Shackleford]

what is that on top of the gas tube, a grenade launcher sight? like on the Yugo SKSs?



and funny thing about yugoslavian weapons, anyone in the US can get their hands on a Yugo SKS within 24 hrs. guaranteed.

[ВАЛТЕР]

what is that on top of the gas tube, a grenade launcher sight? like on the Yugo SKSs?


Yes, it has a grenade sight. Like the SKS's. Or as we call them here "Papovka"

I know Yugo weapons are common in the states. My friend over there has a Yugo SKS.

[The Douche]

I used to have a yugo sks, I've got a yugo tokarev now though.

[piet11111]

have fun holding an awkward 12 pounds.

The most fun i have at work is when i get to shovel stuff like woodchips throwing them at the right spot in a garden at about 15-20 paces away from a truck try doing that for 2 hours before you get a coffee break.

12 pounds of gun with a break whenever i feel like it is not going to be much of an issue especially when i get to shoot stuff with a fully automatic weapon.

Also the idea of owning a weapon and selling it is totally alien to me i would never let one go. (total hoarder here)

[The Douche]

I really hate the ARvsAKvsMosin chart thing, its like it was made by a child. Its all just stereotypical relatively untrue bullshit. Not to mention, AKs, ARs, and Mosins are totally different rifles that service different purposes. I've owned all three, and none is "better" than the other.

[Susurrus]

I really hate the ARvsAKvsMosin chart thing, its like it was made by a child. Its all just stereotypical relatively untrue bullshit. Not to mention, AKs, ARs, and Mosins are totally different rifles that service different purposes. I've owned all three, and none is "better" than the other.

I believe its purpose is to mock the attitudes and stereotypes associated with those weapons, rather than actually being a serious comparison.

[Pretty Flaco]

what is that on top of the gas tube, a grenade launcher sight? like on the Yugo SKSs?



and funny thing about yugoslavian weapons, anyone in the US can get their hands on a Yugo SKS within 24 hrs. guaranteed.

some guy my bro was working with in arizona bought an ak out of the back of a truck from some guy he met at a gas station

[Pretty Flaco]

To be honest you're the first person I've met (in a manner of speaking) who didn't think the Beretta 92 was a piece of shit.

well it LOOKS badass and thats all that counts cuz if im shooting it im probably fucked anyway

[Ostrinski]

As I recall, it was the US forces that used flamethrowers, not the viet cong.

Also:
V4nknAzQPHEHaha, Carson's great.

Also the Cong did use flamethrowers in the Dak Son Massacre.

[Susurrus]

Also the Cong did use flamethrowers in the Dak Son Massacre.

Ah. Learn something new every day.

[Искра]

I'd like to have this:


Mauser c96
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/germany/hg90/1287721391.jpg

Also, I have used this one :) This is a gun which HOS (Croatian Defense Forces), paramiliraty fascist group, bought in Argentina.

FN FAL
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Fuzil-PARAFAL762M964A.gif

It's ok... even I prefer Zastava M70... but this is my favorite gun of all times:


Mauser 98k (aka Kar 98k)
http://www.euroarms.net/Mailing/MailingIMG/040915IMG/MAUSER-K98-040915_01.jpg

[Rusty Shackleford]

I really hate the ARvsAKvsMosin chart thing, its like it was made by a child. Its all just stereotypical relatively untrue bullshit. Not to mention, AKs, ARs, and Mosins are totally different rifles that service different purposes. I've owned all three, and none is "better" than the other.
its obviously infantile.


still funny though.


its bullshit about the bolts on mosins being super fucking hard to cycle. i mean, if you're not left handed.

[piet11111]

some guy my bro was working with in arizona bought an ak out of the back of a truck from some guy he met at a gas station

Fully automatic ?

If so color me jealous.

[The Douche]

its obviously infantile.


still funny though.


its bullshit about the bolts on mosins being super fucking hard to cycle. i mean, if you're not left handed.

I've seen people take it seriously. Really bugs me.


My first mosin's bolt would stick sometimes, and you'd have to nail it with a rubber mallet to cycle it.


Fully automatic ?

If so color me jealous.

That would be super illegal. If it was semi-auto then there is nothing illegal or shady about it, rifles and shotguns, and in some states pistols, can be legally sold between individuals.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yeah owning an automatic weapon is pretty much illegal in the USA, unless you want to jump through legal hoops. Once and a while you come across people who own them, though.

[The Douche]

Yeah owning an automatic weapon is pretty much illegal in the USA, unless you want to jump through legal hoops. Once and a while you come across people who own them, though.

Honestly, they're relatively easy to get, but who can afford to drop $8,000 (minimum) on the weapon, and then spend thousands of dollars each time you go to the range?

Full auto isn't even that fun in my opinion, and I've had a lot of experience with them. I would rather shoot a rifle at 300+ meters than blast away on FA.

[The Cheshire Cat]

Maybe it is because I live in a very safe country, but... Why own a gun?

[ВАЛТЕР]

Maybe it is because I live in a very safe country, but... Why own a gun?

I personally enjoy shooting rifles. I can hit just about anything I aim at. So basically shooting is fun and I like it.

However from a political standpoint, given the fact that the right is willing and capable of taking violent action against us (as they have in the past, and will most certainly do so in the future). It is in my opinion that the left needs to be armed to the teeth and ready to mobilize at any moment.

[The Douche]

Maybe it is because I live in a very safe country, but... Why own a gun?

Recreation. I have also used a rifle to defend myself in a neighborhood I used to live in. (luckily, I didn't have to fire it) But yeah, the main reason is for recreation, mostly target shooting or hunting, I also just enjoy collecting military surplus weapons, but not as much anymore.

[piet11111]

That would be super illegal. If it was semi-auto then there is nothing illegal or shady about it, rifles and shotguns, and in some states pistols, can be legally sold between individuals.

Not to my understanding any fully automatic weapon manufactured/imported before a certain date is legal.
But their insanely expensive though.

Also certain fully automatic weapons are banned in certain states like the thompson submachinegun in i believe california.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Not to my understanding any fully automatic weapon manufactured/imported before a certain date is legal.
But their insanely expensive though.

Also certain fully automatic weapons are banned in certain states like the thompson submachinegun in i believe california.

You need a class III license to purchase an automatic weapon in the US. This consists of a fuckton of paperwork, taxes, and a waiting period of up to six months. Plus legal automatic weapons can run you into the thousands of dollars for a single weapon.

[The Douche]

Full auto weapons can't be sold face to face is what I meant, they can only be purchased through a licensed dealer.

[Ele'ill]

These are on my top list of fun shoots

http://www.weapon-storage.com/weapons/images/M1Garand.jpg

[The Douche]

An M1 garand was the second rifle I ever bought on my own. I loved it, but I had to pawn it when times got rough a few years ago, really want to get another but they're so expensive to shoot. :(

[Os Cangaceiros]

I've shot an M1 Garand before. The US Army had some sort of program in which they sent old M1's to WW2 veterans, and my grandfather got one. We'd go out shooting once in a while.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I handled one but never shot it. It is heavy as all hell though!

[Lilith]

ITT wieners with guns

[The Douche]

ITT wieners with guns

You can't talk shit with a barrel in your mouth.




Just kidding.:cool:

[Ele'ill]

This thread is poisonous for me cause now I'm feeling like getting back into ak modding and shooting regularly.

[Ele'ill]

Anyone have experience with the Remington 700 tactical (civilian model)?

[The Douche]

My friend had one of those 700 SPS rifles, it was neat.

[Dr Doom]

i liked them m1 garand guns in call of duty. im not allowed real guns though.

[Rusty Shackleford]

M1A is pretty fun to shoot. Though, it doesnt really feel much different than an SKS.

[MotherCossack]

jesus fucking christ!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am one big step closer to leaving rev-left. please do me a favour.... throw me out!!!!!!!!
this party sucks.
i thought we were supposed to be semi-intelligent revolutionaries... not trigger happy, moronic, jaw-droppingly immature self-obsessed barbarians!!!!!!!
you guys... hmph!!!! you make me want to puke... with your vaguely pornographic obsession with guns.
this is me.... a european....a european socialist who dearly believes in the need for urgent radical change .... revolution... bloody or otherwise.... get the job done.... whatever it takes.....
this is me taking one hell of a step backwards away from the likes of this.....
what is more important...the cause or the fight?
maybe i am over-reacting..... i do that a lot...
but you know what.... i can not conceive of a people that could allow the periodic bloody, frenzied, unprovoked massacre of countless innocent, often young people....
because of a misguided belief that guns are necessary for life..... they tend to do more promoting death as far as i can tell.
shame on the lot of you.

[Rusty Shackleford]

mother cossack. i and some revlefters enjoy shooting. were not talking about going out and starting some guerrilla movement in appalachia. were talking about sport shooting, and maybe hunting. maybe some people like to collect vintage rifles?


owning a firearm does not have to be political in any way.

[ВАЛТЕР]

were not talking about going out and starting some guerrilla movement...

TOO LATE! I've already become a radical bloodthirsty guerrilla. As we speak I am crouching in a corn field next to a motorway about to ambush the next cop car I see!

Long live the insurrection!

[Rusty Shackleford]

just so everyone knows, the last post walter's last post was sarcasm.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Yeah, in case somebody actually thinks I'd go out in a corn field at night. Screw that...I'd be a lazy ass, fair weather guerrilla...:D

[Os Cangaceiros]

uh-oh...you don't live in Atlanta, do you...

http://socialrupture.tumblr.com/post/19829738900/police-officer-shot-at-in-apparent-sniper-attack

[ColonelCossack]

jesus fucking christ!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am one big step closer to leaving rev-left. please do me a favour.... throw me out!!!!!!!!
this party sucks.
i thought we were supposed to be semi-intelligent revolutionaries... not trigger happy, moronic, jaw-droppingly immature self-obsessed barbarians!!!!!!!
you guys... hmph!!!! you make me want to puke... with your vaguely pornographic obsession with guns.
this is me.... a european....a european socialist who dearly believes in the need for urgent radical change .... revolution... bloody or otherwise.... get the job done.... whatever it takes.....
this is me taking one hell of a step backwards away from the likes of this.....
what is more important...the cause or the fight?
maybe i am over-reacting..... i do that a lot...
but you know what.... i can not conceive of a people that could allow the periodic bloody, frenzied, unprovoked massacre of countless innocent, often young people....
because of a misguided belief that guns are necessary for life..... they tend to do more promoting death as far as i can tell.
shame on the lot of you.

Sorry mum, i don't agree with you. Some people like guns. It's not necessarily political. But I suppose if I disagree with you you'll probably storm off in a strop and lock yourself in the toilet, just like you always do in real life... :rolleyes:

[Rusty Shackleford]

Sorry mum, i don't agree with you. Some people like guns. It's not necessarily political. But I suppose if I disagree with you you'll probably storm off in a strop and lock yourself in the toilet, just like you always do in real life... :rolleyes:
wat

[Rooster]

My father and grandfather used to take me out as a child to go duck hunting. They had a rifle and a shotgun but I have no idea what make they were. They would fire slugs though with the shotgun. At ducks. Ducks disintegrate when hit with a slug. But the most powerful thing that I'm allowed to sport in the UK is this:

http://www.instructables.com/image/FL3HKH56COEP27QQ7V/Rubber-Band-Shooter.jpg

[The Jay]

jesus fucking christ!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am one big step closer to leaving rev-left. please do me a favour.... throw me out!!!!!!!!
this party sucks.
i thought we were supposed to be semi-intelligent revolutionaries... not trigger happy, moronic, jaw-droppingly immature self-obsessed barbarians!!!!!!!
you guys... hmph!!!! you make me want to puke... with your vaguely pornographic obsession with guns.
this is me.... a european....a european socialist who dearly believes in the need for urgent radical change .... revolution... bloody or otherwise.... get the job done.... whatever it takes.....
this is me taking one hell of a step backwards away from the likes of this.....
what is more important...the cause or the fight?
maybe i am over-reacting..... i do that a lot...
but you know what.... i can not conceive of a people that could allow the periodic bloody, frenzied, unprovoked massacre of countless innocent, often young people....
because of a misguided belief that guns are necessary for life..... they tend to do more promoting death as far as i can tell.
shame on the lot of you.

Holy strawman, Batman! If you think that liking guns is equivalent to liking violence I don't know what to tell you. Have you ever even shot a gun? It's fun.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

uh-oh...you don't live in Atlanta, do you...

http://socialrupture.tumblr.com/post/19829738900/police-officer-shot-at-in-apparent-sniper-attack
"Sniper attack"

It was some guy, who I think was in total psychosis by the way he was acting in court when they showed him on the news, who stood on the roof of a bar and shot the cop in the leg with a .40 pistol from about 30 feet away. The cop was in the parking lot of Zesto's down in little 5. When I saw the news I was worried something had happened to Zesto's.

[Lilith]

jesus fucking christ!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am one big step closer to leaving rev-left. please do me a favour.... throw me out!!!!!!!!
this party sucks.
i thought we were supposed to be semi-intelligent revolutionaries... not trigger happy, moronic, jaw-droppingly immature self-obsessed barbarians!!!!!!!
you guys... hmph!!!! you make me want to puke... with your vaguely pornographic obsession with guns.
this is me.... a european....a european socialist who dearly believes in the need for urgent radical change .... revolution... bloody or otherwise.... get the job done.... whatever it takes.....
this is me taking one hell of a step backwards away from the likes of this.....
what is more important...the cause or the fight?
maybe i am over-reacting..... i do that a lot...
but you know what.... i can not conceive of a people that could allow the periodic bloody, frenzied, unprovoked massacre of countless innocent, often young people....
because of a misguided belief that guns are necessary for life..... they tend to do more promoting death as far as i can tell.
shame on the lot of you.

Word.

[ColonelCossack]

wat

Whenever I disagree with her irl she storms off into the loo and stays there, refusing to answer my questions. It's very annoying.

[ColonelCossack]

with your vaguely pornographic obsession with guns.


OK but this one is very funny.

[Aurora]

Whenever I disagree with her irl she storms off into the loo and stays there, refusing to answer my questions. It's very annoying.
Why would you post this on the internet except to be a dick and embarrass her?

Anyway, guns are dangerous which is exactly why they should be in the hands of workers educated in their use. I don't own any guns but my dad owns a .22 single shot rifle which must be really old, still strikes terror into rabbits though :p

[Kornilios Sunshine]

I have this AWESOME AND NEAT LETHAL homemade stun gun.
http://www.instructables.com/image/FL35JAVF8Y3RMXW/How-to-Make-A-Hidden-Kodak-TAZER.jpg

[ColonelCossack]

Why would you post this on the internet except to be a dick and embarrass her?



She doesn't mind. Trust me, I know; she's right behind me...

[ВАЛТЕР]

She doesn't mind. Trust me, I know; she's right behind me...

Woah, MotherCossack is really your Mother? :confused:

[ColonelCossack]

Woah, MotherCossack is really your Mother? :confused:

Hence her username

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Whenever I disagree with her irl she storms off into the loo and stays there, refusing to answer my questions. It's very annoying.
Maybe she just had to take a dump

[Renegade Saint]

Maybe it is because I live in a very safe country, but... Why own a gun?
Because:
When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

These are on my top list of fun shoots

http://www.weapon-storage.com/weapons/images/M1Garand.jpg

Fucking awesome gun

Never thought anyone would pull it up.
Other than that I enjoy shooting my dads baby eagle. Makes me wish I had one.

Oh and M1 carbine FTW

[Luc]

Fucking awesome gun

Never thought anyone would pull it up.
Other than that I enjoy shooting my dads baby eagle. Makes me wish I had one.

Oh and M1 carbine FTW

:confused:

:lol: aah double meanings. <3 the english language

also fuck yeah M1 Carbine!

[The Cheshire Cat]

Okay. I always thought shooting rifles and pistols for fun would be a more right-wing hobby. But apparently I was wrong:). Although I still do not think I would enjoy it.

[The Cheshire Cat]

Because:
When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?

Well, I would rather reinforce my door with steel to make sure nobody kicks in my door...

Besides, you don't know why he kicks in your door. Maybe he was a very poor man with a wife and 6 very hungry children who did not eat for a week. Maybe it was his utterly last attempt to get some money to provide his family with food and a house because the capitalist system stole everything from him?

So I would never fire a person who would kick in my door on sight. I would first politely ask him to sit down and ask him why he kicked in my door. And if he needed money for a good reason and he asked politely to give it, I would give him the money I can miss. That seems better to me than blow his brains out...

[Nox]

Any fellow Kar 98k fanboys here? If there was one good thing Hitler did, it was arming his troops with this beauty!

http://www.wwiiguns.com/store/images/tkar98k_bolt_wwii.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/AlvarezPhoto/2007%20and%20later/KAR98kAged5a_sml.png

[bricolage]

Well, I would rather reinforce my door with steel to make sure nobody kicks in my door...

Besides, you don't know why he kicks in your door. Maybe he was a very poor man with a wife and 6 very hungry children who did not eat for a week. Maybe it was his utterly last attempt to get some money to provide his family with food and a house because the capitalist system stole everything from him?

So I would never fire a person who would kick in my door on sight. I would first politely ask him to sit down and ask him why he kicked in my door. And if he needed money for a good reason and he asked politely to give it, I would give him the money I can miss. That seems better to me than blow his brains out...
they're lyrics from guns of brixton by the clash, you can pretty much assume 'they' are the police ("When the law break in, How you gonna go? Shot down on the pavement, Or waiting in death row"), it's definitely not the poor man you describe.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Any fellow Kar 98k fanboys here? If there was one good thing Hitler did, it was arming his troops with this beauty!



personally, i prefer the Mk. II No. 4. both have expensive ammunition though :crying:

[piet11111]

Bolt actions rifles will always have a special place in my heart.

Especially when they have a beautiful wooden stock.

[Princess Luna]

I only own one gun, but it is so bad ass it is illegal in 213 countries and there are only 196 countries in the world, so that says something about it's awesomeness
.
Behold the 22
http://shooterscentral.ge/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ruger_1022rb.jpg

[NoPasaran1936]

jesus fucking christ!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am one big step closer to leaving rev-left. please do me a favour.... throw me out!!!!!!!!
this party sucks.
i thought we were supposed to be semi-intelligent revolutionaries... not trigger happy, moronic, jaw-droppingly immature self-obsessed barbarians!!!!!!!
you guys... hmph!!!! you make me want to puke... with your vaguely pornographic obsession with guns.
this is me.... a european....a european socialist who dearly believes in the need for urgent radical change .... revolution... bloody or otherwise.... get the job done.... whatever it takes.....
this is me taking one hell of a step backwards away from the likes of this.....
what is more important...the cause or the fight?
maybe i am over-reacting..... i do that a lot...
but you know what.... i can not conceive of a people that could allow the periodic bloody, frenzied, unprovoked massacre of countless innocent, often young people....
because of a misguided belief that guns are necessary for life..... they tend to do more promoting death as far as i can tell.
shame on the lot of you.

"Can you hear the moralist sing?, I can't hear a fucking thing"

For my American, or other non-British friends. This is an adaption of a football chant aimed at fans who don't sing "replace moralist with south stand/home/away fans"

[ColonelCossack]

Maybe she just had to take a dump

That's not it.

[heyjoe]

Well, I would rather reinforce my door with steel to make sure nobody kicks in my door...

Besides, you don't know why he kicks in your door. Maybe he was a very poor man with a wife and 6 very hungry children who did not eat for a week. Maybe it was his utterly last attempt to get some money to provide his family with food and a house because the capitalist system stole everything from him?

So I would never fire a person who would kick in my door on sight. I would first politely ask him to sit down and ask him why he kicked in my door. And if he needed money for a good reason and he asked politely to give it, I would give him the money I can miss. That seems better to me than blow his brains out...

anyone kicking in the door of your home, knowing you are home at the time is not there to sit down and have a discussion with you. they are going to hurt you. no question about it.

[Os Cangaceiros]

"Sniper attack"

It was some guy, who I think was in total psychosis by the way he was acting in court when they showed him on the news, who stood on the roof of a bar and shot the cop in the leg with a .40 pistol from about 30 feet away. The cop was in the parking lot of Zesto's down in little 5. When I saw the news I was worried something had happened to Zesto's.

goddamn, insurrecto weiners always make things sound way cooler than they really are

[#FF0000]

Any fellow Kar 98k fanboys here

I love my mauser but fuck ever buying ammo for it.

but yeah it's a great gun. insanely accurate. I don't think I'm a particularly good shot but the first time I took my mauser out I was hitting golfballs set up halfway down range.

[Drowzy_Shooter]

My rifle is my Mosin Nagant. Only rifle I own. I'd trust my life on it. It's my most proud posession. The phrase. "For beware the man with one rifle, for he probably knows how to use it" applies very well to me. Share a glock with my dad as well.

If anyone wants a Mosin Nagant I'd be glad to help in your search. I'd consider myself pretty knowledgable on them, and I'd like I think I could help you find a good one.

[Veovis]

I occasionally have difficult times in my life so I don't feel comfortable being around guns. :(

[The Cheshire Cat]

they're lyrics from guns of brixton by the clash, you can pretty much assume 'they' are the police ("When the law break in, How you gonna go? Shot down on the pavement, Or waiting in death row"), it's definitely not the poor man you describe.

O, haha, sorry. Didn't get that one.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Picked up mah Mosin Nagant yesterday. Works like any other mosin nagant. stiffish bolt, relative accuracy, and nice kick. :D


got a spam can of ammo this morning too hahah. though, old romanian ammo (im guessing since its not cyrillic) compared to new winchesters feed like shit.


i guess a quick tip, if you are shooting surplus ammo, put some windex(or any ammonia based cleaning product) on the tissue you clean your barrel with. it helps against the corrosive salts in the ammo. and clean it extra well after shooting that.

[Drowzy_Shooter]

got a spam can of ammo this morning too hahah. though, old romanian ammo (im guessing since its not cyrillic) compared to new winchesters feed like shit.



Tell me how well it does accuracy wise when you go shoot it. I picked up some bulgarian surplus myself and I love it, but I've heard romanian is the best stuff you can get.

[ellipsis]

Picked up mah Mosin Nagant yesterday. Works like any other mosin nagant. stiffish bolt, relative accuracy, and nice kick. :D


got a spam can of ammo this morning too hahah. though, old romanian ammo (im guessing since its not cyrillic) compared to new winchesters feed like shit.


i guess a quick tip, if you are shooting surplus ammo, put some windex(or any ammonia based cleaning product) on the tissue you clean your barrel with. it helps against the corrosive salts in the ammo. and clean it extra well after shooting that.

Congrats!

[Rusty Shackleford]

probably one of the 'cooler' things about the Mosin i got is it isnt even a 91/30. it was made in '23 at Izhevsk. It doesnt have Ka3 on it but i believe it is the 91 Dragoon. that might also be why my bulg/rom surplus doesnt feed spot on every time, that or the magazine just doesnt like the casings that much.


as for accuracy, i cant say its inaccurate at all, but the only time ive shot it so far was with my friend and we shared a target. it was his first time shooting but we checked the target afterwards (after 30 rounds) and only 3 didnt hit the target at 75yd. but, thats because we also shot without the bench andrest a few times. there were also a few nice 2 shot groupings within a half inch of each other.


at 100 yards though i did manage to hit just under a piece of a clay pigeon and make it fly a few feet (dirt expanded below it)


bore is pretty good, though its obvious its old. but yeah.



woo :D

[ellipsis]

My comrade can hit center mass on a human sized target with his moisin carbine off hand (standing) at 200+ yards. Not me though.

[Obs]

We have super restrictive gun laws in this shitty country I live in. First I gotta get (and pay for, mind) a hunting permit, for which I gotta take classes and shit. Then I gotta apply for a gun permit, and then I'm allowed to own a gun and ammo for 3 months the following year.

I just want to shoot paper squares. :(

[Winkers Fons]

I actually have a few Mosins.

1916 Tula M91--My only imperial era rifle
1922 Tula M91--
1921 Izhevsk 91/30
1946 Tula M44

Along with the Mosins I have a Mossberg shotgun, a Nagant revolver and a HK91.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

fact: anybody who owns a gun is a sociopath

[Art Vandelay]

fact: anybody who owns a gun is a sociopath

That is a pretty dumb statement. My dad owns guns and has taught me to use them from a young age, neither of us have never gone hunting because we do not want to kill anything, just like shooting targets at the range. Not sure how that makes me a sociopath.

I do not own any of my own yet, but I plan on getting an sks, a mosin, and some sort of pistol or sidearm.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

"were just normal people who have killing machines in our home. we dont use them for killing but we do like to practice. and i would like to have more such machines made for killing people"

[Os Cangaceiros]

fact: anybody who owns a gun is a sociopath

and proud

[Art Vandelay]

"were just normal people who have killing machines in our home. we dont use them for killing but we do like to practice. and i would like to have more such machines made for killing people"

So we are going to have this revolution with rainbows and butterflies then? I guess you would rather have a world where only the government and military have guns?

Also I think the statement that all gun owners are psychopaths is pretty ridiculous and so obviously false to the point that it does not even need to be combated.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

oh youre preparing for an armed revolution are you? youve recruited some sort of resistence army then, yeah? i presume your party actively trains its members for military combat? i suppose you must represent a mass underground movement of workers, no? preparing yourselves to topple the bourgeois regime, are you?
tell me more

[Art Vandelay]

oh youre preparing for an armed revolution are you? youve recruited some sort of resistence army then, yeah? i presume your party actively trains its members for military combat? i suppose you must represent a mass underground movement of workers, no? preparing yourselves to topple the bourgeois regime, are you?
tell me more

No but nice strawman. I stated from my first post that I enjoy shooting targets with my dad, it probably stems from the fact that it was one of the few activities we could enjoy together and thus the activity somewhat brings me back to that. Neither of us have ever gone hunting or killed anything.

I also do not claim to be some guerrilla preparing for the overthrow of the government, not sure where you got that from. But I can deduce from your post that you think guns will not play a part in revolution? Either that or you just wanted to be an ass and jump on me for my differing view points on gun ownership. But truthfully, you do not even have to respond, cause based off what you have said, no productive discussion will follow. Your analysis has consisted on a strawman and a sweeping generalization; as if the complex and controversial issue can be boiled down to: gun owners are psychos.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

sociopathy =/= psychopathy
the former includes gun owners
the latter includes gun users

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

guns will probably play a part in the revolution. but there is no revolutionary situation where you live nor within the foreseeable future. if some nepalese user said that revolutionary activity warranted having a gun i would fully understand. but you live in bumfuck canada.

under present conditions guns breed violence and the most disadvantaged and vulnerable members of society are the victims of your fetish. violence is not in the interest of workers anywhere. an armed revolution is an exception and a last resort.

[Art Vandelay]

guns will probably play a part in the revolution. but there is no revolutionary situation where you live nor within the foreseeable future. if some nepalese user said that revolutionary activity warranted having a gun i would fully understand. but you live in bumfuck canada.

No one knows when class contradictions will burst, the revolution will not be peaceful; in fact I could see a revolutionary situation in Canada happening sooner than one in Nepal where maoists direct all anger towards current society in an unproductive fashion.


under present conditions guns breed violence and the most disadvantaged and vulnerable members of society are the victims of your fetish. violence is not in the interest of workers anywhere. an armed revolution is an exception and a last resort.

How do guns breed violence?

How are the most disadvantaged and vulnerable members of society the victims of my "fetish"?

Also I get the whole: "violence as a last resort thing" and yes I know the M&E quote, however they also stated that throughout history no class has ever peacefully relinquished their positions of power. So yes I would love a peaceful revolution, but no it will not happen.

p.s. sociopath has become largely accepted by psychiatrists as a synonym for psychopath.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

How are the most disadvantaged and vulnerable members of society the victims of my "fetish"?

http://www.guncontrol.ca/English/Home/Releases/PressFeb1512.pdf

http://www.bradycampaign.org/studies/view/164/

http://crimelab.uchicago.edu/gun_violence/report.shtml

http://www.americanfirearms.org/statistics.php#26

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

No one knows when class contradictions will burst, the revolution will not be peaceful; in fact I could see a revolutionary situation in Canada happening sooner than one in Nepal where maoists direct all anger towards current society in an unproductive fashion.

what the actual fuck? are you saying that despite all the unrest and mass mobilization in nepal, the people have not risen up because of the maoists? and of course since canada doesnt have a such a powerful maoist party surely youre closer to revolution!
lol
thanks for the laughs

[Art Vandelay]

what the actual fuck? are you saying that despite all the unrest and mass mobilization in nepal, the people have not risen up because of the maoists? and of course since canada doesnt have a such a powerful maoist party surely youre closer to revolution!
lol
thanks for the laughs

What I meant was that any revolutionary movement in Nepal will be co-opted by maoists who, given their affinity to invite the bourgeois into the revolution (block of four classes), will never bring about any real revolutionary movement. Quite perceptive you are, so yes until the majority of pissed off workers have an alternative to the maoist vanguard (who serve the same function of lets say...the NDP) there will not be any revolutionary change in Nepal anytime soon.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

meanwhile in canada...?

[Art Vandelay]

....the situation is bleak (I never claimed otherwise), but at least when some revolutionary steam picks up, it (hopefully) will not be directed into "revolutionary" parties who would be better described as capitalists.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

does your party or organization defend a pro gun stance with regards to fighting the capitalist state and/or father-son bonding?

[Art Vandelay]

If you are cracking jokes about me and my dad then you can go fuck yourself. I am not in any organizations, I make up my own mind about things, not parrot party lines.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

well then you must be so prepared for the revolution

[Art Vandelay]

"If the revolution demands violence, authority, discipline, then I am for violence, authority, discipline. I accept them as a block with all their terrors, and without cowardly reservations."

Interesting quote for someone who is anti-gun and thinks that the revolution can come about peacefully.

[Art Vandelay]

well then you must be so prepared for the revolution

Also I get this feeling that you are interpreting what I say as that I consider myself some urban guerrilla who is collecting an armory and trying to spark revolution or something. I do not claim to be a revolutionary, nor do I claim to do much to try and change the world (not involved in an organization) I just do not think people should be told not to have tools (if you will) simply because at times they are misused by people.

Either you are misunderstanding me, or you just have an issue with me and want to mess with me.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

i find the possibility of a peaceful revolution dubious at best. but unrestricted private gun ownership is an ultra conservative right-wing reactionary policy that rightly has no place in any radical leftist platform nor do guns have any place in socialist activism under present circumstances where i live and in the West as a whole

[Art Vandelay]

Present circumstances are the key words. How would a society where workers have no access to guns transition into a revolutionary situation?

[Manic Impressive]

By that logic most of europe is incapable of having a revolution.

[Ostrinski]

On the dawn of the revolution legal ownership of guns will be irrelevant anyway. Also what bricolage said, your hunting rifle aint doin shit against tanks and planes

[heyjoe]

i find the possibility of a peaceful revolution dubious at best. but unrestricted private gun ownership is an ultra conservative right-wing reactionary policy that rightly has no place in any radical leftist platform nor do guns have any place in socialist activism under present circumstances where i live and in the West as a whole

sounds like a liberal policy to me not a radical leftist platform. i cant think of a more liberal position than being vehemently anti gun. most leftists have no problem with guns, they are a tool nothing more nothing less. disarming ourselves while the right continues arming itself relentlessly is short sighted at best and assinine at best. by the way all of those links that you posted are liberal web sites.

[ellipsis]

On the dawn of the revolution legal ownership of guns will be irrelevant anyway. Also what bricolage said, your hunting rifle aint doin shit against tanks and planes

ive seen WWII era anti-aircraft quad-guns in private ownership. also .50 bmg is definitely an anti-material round. its not all hunting rifles.

[Zav]

I thought I already posted my thoughts on this matter, but I guess not. I'm in favor of gun ownership as long as the State and Capitalism exist. After that, I don't think they'll be very useful. For hunting, using a bow is more efficient and is closer to an art than using a gun. The only gun control I am in favor of is restriction of the guns belonging to the aforementioned institutions, and perhaps the medically insane.

[Art Vandelay]

By that logic most of europe is incapable of having a revolution.

I was not saying it was impossible, but that I was curious as to how he thought the transition would go (assuming he thought we would need guns).

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

sounds like a liberal policy to me not a radical leftist platform. i cant think of a more liberal position than being vehemently anti gun. most leftists have no problem with guns, they are a tool nothing more nothing less. disarming ourselves while the right continues arming itself relentlessly is short sighted at best and assinine at best. by the way all of those links that you posted are liberal web sites.

i should have expected that out of touch middle class teenage armchair revolutionaries would have a hard time connecting with the harsh realities of urban violence. people are being killed by the truckloads. like i said before, violence is not in the interests of workers by any measure. despite americans being armed to the teeth, their capitalist state is as stable as ever. not to mention unscrupulously violent. so who is being protected by all those guns, exactly? when the panthers armed themselves, the fbi and the police and the courts killed and jailed everybody under the guise of fighting crime. legalizing guns wont win us any struggles.

[Winkers Fons]

I own plenty of guns but I have never shot at a living thing and I don't ever plan to. I just have them for historical and mechanical interest. I like the stories they tell and the tinkering I can do with them.

[piet11111]

Since this is the most relevant thread i will necro it for an important question.

How the flying F do i fix the bayonet of a mosin nagant 90/31 to make it fit !

I know i need to drill out something inside the bayonet to make it fit better but based on youtube video's i cant make out enough detail.
The internet hasn't been very helpful either.

I bought one deactivated for 175 euro's it came with a sling,bayonet,ammo pouch,2 necked oilbottle,and some gun tools.

Details about the rifle itself its made in 1943 has the Izhevsk arrow in a triangle serial EA 8664 with the 4 being lower and in a slanted / position.
Its crudely made full of cosmoline and i love it for it.

[The Douche]

Since this is the most relevant thread i will necro it for an important question.

How the flying F do i fix the bayonet of a mosin nagant 90/31 to make it fit !

I know i need to drill out something inside the bayonet to make it fit better but based on youtube video's i cant make out enough detail.
The internet hasn't been very helpful either.

I bought one deactivated for 175 euro's it came with a sling,bayonet,ammo pouch,2 necked oilbottle,and some gun tools.

Details about the rifle itself its made in 1943 has the Izhevsk arrow in a triangle serial EA 8664 with the 4 being lower and in a slanted / position.
Its crudely made full of cosmoline and i love it for it.

You shouldn't need to do anything to it to make it fit, unless it needs to be modified because of the deactivation? It might just be gummed up with all the cosmoline.

Also, I thought you could own guns in the netherlands? Why get a deactivated one, and I can't believe they're that expensive, you can get a firing 91/30 here in the states for 100 USD, I got mine a while ago for 89!

[The Jay]

Gun rights are one of the few issues in which I agree with conservatives.

[piet11111]

You shouldn't need to do anything to it to make it fit, unless it needs to be modified because of the deactivation? It might just be gummed up with all the cosmoline.

Also, I thought you could own guns in the netherlands? Why get a deactivated one, and I can't believe they're that expensive, you can get a firing 91/30 here in the states for 100 USD, I got mine a while ago for 89!

Going by the youtube video's its a common problem that the bayonet doesn't fit. (war standards of production i guess)

And you can own firearms here but a license either requires you join a club (elitist bunch i was rejected for one years ago) and they have or are working on tightening regulations to force more match shooting in order to improve the "sport" instead of people who buy a gun pop off a few rounds and thnx for the license kbye.
Or get a license as a collector with even more regulations making it a rich persons hobby.

Actually owning one just because or (god forbid) for home defense is not legally possible.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Since this is the most relevant thread i will necro it for an important question.

How the flying F do i fix the bayonet of a mosin nagant 90/31 to make it fit !

I know i need to drill out something inside the bayonet to make it fit better but based on youtube video's i cant make out enough detail.
The internet hasn't been very helpful either.

I bought one deactivated for 175 euro's it came with a sling,bayonet,ammo pouch,2 necked oilbottle,and some gun tools.

Details about the rifle itself its made in 1943 has the Izhevsk arrow in a triangle serial EA 8664 with the 4 being lower and in a slanted / position.
Its crudely made full of cosmoline and i love it for it.


from what ive heard a lot of the nagants you get (at least in the states) can be made up of mixed parts from different mosins and even surplus parts laying around. This includes the bayonet. And some shops will have bins of bayonets and not all of them fit well with each other. but, the main point of the bayonet is to not come off easily. sting less like a bee and more like a spear :lol:


as for all the cosmolene, theres some pretty good videos on youtube on removing it.

[Magón]

Cosmoline is carcinogenic, so don't be putting your fingers in your mouth, or rubbing your eyes after touching the metal with cosmoline on it.

[Aussie Trotskyist]

I don't own a firearm, but I do shoot for recreation. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with owning a firearm, so longs as people are responsible and treat it with respect. Unlike the various Americans owning guns because the outdated second amendment says they can, and then shooting anyone who looks at them wrong.

But when the revolution comes, people will be required to be at least supplied with firearms.

[piet11111]

So far my internet search has resulted in

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/WVchuck/MNBayoAdj2.jpg


And using a Dremel to remove excess steel inside the bayonet.

If nobody knows any other tricks i guess i will try using a crowbar as in the picture.

[Susurrus]

And using a Dremel to remove excess steel inside the bayonet.
If nobody knows any other tricks i guess i will try using a crowbar as in the picture.

So I found this:


Soviet military doctrine called for the bayonet to remain fixed to the rifle at all times with the exception of traveling by motor vehicle or when in long term storage. The bayonet will go on, but it will be a very tight fit and will be difficult to remove. This is good for charging infantry, but not collectors. The inside of the bayonet socket can be opened slightly with a large drift punch to make fixing and removal easier.

[Magón]

So far my internet search has resulted in

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/WVchuck/MNBayoAdj2.jpg


And using a Dremel to remove excess steel inside the bayonet.

If nobody knows any other tricks i guess i will try using a crowbar as in the picture.

Steel wool might be a better choice, if you're really intent on putting it on, but I think Susurrus's quote, and what I said below, might make you want to change your mind.



So I found this:

Just to point out in that quote, as the historical gun nerd that I can be sometimes; the reason they kept the bayonets on, is because most Mosin-Nagants shot high without them (as you'll find if you ever shoot one,) and the weight of the bayonet countered the high shooting, giving the whole thing better accuracy.

[piet11111]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/62441-copy.jpg

One of these ?

That ought to work but it will take some thinking on where i might borrow one here.