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NoPasaran1936
27th March 2012, 19:09
The tax status of Cornish pasties has caused an unexpected backlash against the Chancellor, after he imposed VAT on hot baked goods bought from supermarkets and bakers in the Budget.
Greggs, the high street chain, has warned extra VAT on the hot snacks will cause a decline in sales, while businesses in the south-west are claiming there could be job losses in the Cornish pasty industry.
Mr Osborne was yesterday under pressure to clarify exactly how the new tax will be implemented, as he gave evidence on the Budget to the House of Commons Treasury Committee.
MPs on the Treasury Select Committee also made fun of the fact the Chancellor "can't remember" when he last bought a pasty from Greggs. "That sums it up," said Mr Mann, implying the Chancellor's experience of hot snack consumption on the high street may be limited.
Raising one potential problem, John Mann, a Labour MP, said a lukewarm pastry would be taxable in cold weather, but not in hot weather, because of different ambient temperatures".

Mr Osborne insisted the tax made sense, but said the Government would not check the temperature of every pasty sold.
"I am seeking to stick with the position that hot takeaway food has VAT on it, he said. What we are trying to do is make sure that hot takeaway food has VAT on it.
"The way we operate with companies and large retail chains and the like is that we don't do a check on every product sold. We come to an agreement with companies over what proportion of their products are sold hot.
Mr Osborne was appearing in front of the committee to explain his Budget, which gave a cut in income tax to the highest earners from 50p to 45p in the pound.
Asked whether the decision was permanent, he said: The 50p rate was assigned a special status by my predecessor and by me as being temporary. I dont assign any special status to the 45p rate.

Now, I know capitalists want capitalists as the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but surely you'd want a Tory with a degree in economics, and not a 2nd class honours (which he only just passed) in BA History?

Rusty Shackleford
27th March 2012, 19:11
hahahahahahaha

ed miliband
27th March 2012, 19:21
don't care about this but i'm pissed off about the increased duty on cigarettes and alcohol

bloody puritans

NoPasaran1936
27th March 2012, 19:22
don't care about this but i'm pissed off about the increased duty on cigarettes and alcohol

bloody puritans

Well, I do. Will mean unemployment will rise in already one of the UK's poorest regions...And trust me, I am pissed about the cigs being raised.

gorillafuck
27th March 2012, 19:23
this is probably the funniest serious article I've ever seen

roy
28th March 2012, 06:29
I looked at the title of this thread and I thought, "This can't seriously be about taxing cornish pasties".

Now I don't know what to think.

Rusty Shackleford
28th March 2012, 06:40
to be honest, i thought there was a tax on the other kind of pasties.

NoPasaran1936
28th March 2012, 09:03
to be honest, i thought there was a tax on the other kind of pasties.

Nope. Most are exempt from tax.

l'Enfermé
28th March 2012, 10:00
Raising one potential problem, John Mann, a Labour MP, said a lukewarm pastry would be taxable in cold weather, but not in hot weather, because of different “ambient temperatures".

This is gold.

hatzel
28th March 2012, 11:01
To be honest I don't care if they tax Cornish pasties because they're crappy. Devon pasties, on the other hand...well, keep your grubby tax-mitts off of those beauties!

By the way what's with this sudden upsurge in Cornwall-related stuff on the forum lately? By which I mean like 2-3 mentions this week, but that's still considerably higher than the expected 0 mentions per million bagillion years...

Raúl Duke
28th March 2012, 16:53
what does a cornish pasty taste like?
I don't understand why they want to tax that...
the fact the guy says the tax is one "that makes sense" seems really silly compared to other taxes that could be leveled or increase, particularly those taxes that affect the rich.

Manic Impressive
28th March 2012, 17:04
what does a cornish pasty taste like?
pastry with meat and veg I find they usually overdo the pepper at least for my delicate taste


The traditional Cornish pasty, which has Protected Geographical Indication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Geographical_Status) (PGI) status in Europe,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_pasty#cite_note-L193-1) is filled with beef (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef), sliced or diced potato, swede (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutabaga) (also known as a yellow turnip or rutabaga) and onion, seasoned with salt and pepper, and is baked (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baking). Today, the pasty is the food most associated with Cornwall regarded as its national dish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_dish), and accounts for 6% of the Cornish food economy. Pasties with many different fillings are made; some shops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retailing) specialise in selling all sorts of pasties. The origins of the pasty are unclear, though there are many references to them throughout historical documents and fiction. The pasty is now popular world-wide due to the spread of Cornish miners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_diaspora), and variations can be found in Australia, the United States, Mexico and elsewhere.
LoL this is what politics in the UK has been reduced to (Labour leader and shadow chancellor exiting Greggs Bakery having bought pasties)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/28/article-2121393-125EDD72000005DC-560_634x800.jpg

First Horsegate now Pastygate it's almost like they're trying to distract us from something

Prime minister hits back saying he too Eats PASTIES!!! BUT GETS CAUGHT TELLING PORKIE PIES
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/video/2012/mar/28/david-cameron-pasty-leeds-video

MarxSchmarx
31st March 2012, 05:05
I am more of a samosa-muncher myself - does the fact that it is fried not baked exampt them? But alas if samosa prices increases as former cornish pasties eaters move on that doesn't help me.

Btw, hatzel, it does appear devon pasties are teh original:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/12/foodanddrink

sithsaber
31st March 2012, 05:31
NonCornish pastries are a borgoise excess. I move that they be designated as counter-revolutionary