Guevarism/Guevaraism?

[shakermaker]

so, is there ideology like Guevaraism (or Guevarism), what would it be?
If I think same way as Che did, can I say I'm a Guevarist?
...um, is here already a topic of this?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I think there was a topic like this a while ago.I honestly do not think there is.Che didn't make to many advancements in Marxist ideology.I think his "Guerilla Warfare" was a modernized version of the one Mao wrote in the late 30s.Also,I would consider Che to be a Maoist for the most part.Towards the end of his life he did some stupid stuff ideologically,like severly criticise Lenin for the N.E.P. among other things.So,honestly I don't consider Che a Leninist.More of a Marxist-Maoist or what not.

[commieboy]

i like to call myself a guevaraist...if not just a communist..but che's book isnt that similar to Mao's about guerilla warfare...i've read them both and they're good but alike in many ways...Mao tries to tell you how to run a Guerilla war...che tells you how to live and fight like a guerilla....

But anyway, i call myself a guevaraist..

[Subversive Rob]

Surely a gueveraist would folow focoism?

[Bianconero]

like severly criticise Lenin for the N.E.P.

What do you mean?

[Bolshevika]

I believe Che's Guerrilla Warfare is his diary and experiences during the cuban revolution? (I haven't read it yet) Mao's is almost like a guide on organization, plotting, and execution of a guerrilla war.

Anyway, Che's ideology is something along the line of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. Che studied Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Mao during his stay with Hilda (radical Peruvian woman) and declared himself a communist after his Motorcycle trip through Latin America. I guess I am a "Guevaraist" as is every other anti-revisionist over here, however Che didn't really develop a theory or addition to Marxism-Leninism hence not getting an ideological branch.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

The thing about Che for me was that he really stands out as somebody who fought till the death to rid places from U$ imperialism, and to have the oppressed masses rise up and fight. To me, to become a Guevaraist and follow Guevaraism is to fight against U$ imperialism and to help out the oppressed. Because Che wasn't like Marx, he didn't make principles of communism, but what he did was eleborate as a socialist what socialism was threw his action.

So really theres three parts.

- The one who fights against imperialism
- The one who stands up for the rights of the oppressed
- And the one who follows socialism, not corrupts it.


So I would say I am a Guevaraist Socialist.


--Paz

[shakermaker]

so the right form is Guevaraist and Guevaraism?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

What do you mean?

Well,he said that it was lenin's fault that capitalism had been restored in the ussr.he blamed it on the nep :blink: Really stupid,considering the fact that the nep was abolished in 1927.anyway,the people to blame for the restoration of capitalism in the ussr are khrushchev,brehznev(sp?),and gorbachev,and thats just the beginning.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 05:12 AM
so the right form is Guevaraist and Guevaraism?
I guess you would call it Guevaraism and you would say I am a Guevaraist. Nice question, I got me starting to write about it so I can put it up on my site.



--Paz

[Domino]

I tend to call myself a Guevarist even before communist. They come together.

[shakermaker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 05:41 AM
I tend to call myself a Guevarist even before communist. They come together.
me too, from this day on...
But rather than commie, I'd say I'm a socialist...

[commieboy]

YOu guys know why che was so differnt?

He didn't sit behind a desk all his life and write about how to make the world better....he was there fighting to make it a better place...so did Mao, Lenin, and Castro, i believe they all deserve "Isms"

[Domino]

I'm not Ché nor I'm trying to be.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 07:33 PM
I'm not Ché nor I'm trying to be.
Nor are we but there are things that Che has called for and things for the masses to reply to. Let me show give you an example.



Let us sum up our hopes for victory: total destruction of imperialism by eliminating its firmest bulwark, the oppression exercised by the United States of America. To carry out, as a tactical method, the people's gradual liberation, one by one or in groups: driving the enemy into a difficult fight away from its own territory, dismantling all its sustenance bases, that is, its dependent territories.


There are three major principles of Guevaraism one must follow to consider themselves a Guevaraist. One must take part in demolishing US imperialism and attacking it at its roots wherever it may erupt. Imperialism from any other nation must also be dismantled from a country who suffers in the hands of the imperialist. One must stand up for the right of the poor and oppressed and not allow the masses to fall on their knees only to continue suffering blows on to their mind and body. The struggle to make the world a better world begins where conditions of living have plunged way below standard. Lastly one must follow these principles and put them together so that the masses are at the top at controlling power and not so the power is only available for the worthy few. The practice of socialism and communism are the only type of government that would allow such a movement in a stable democratic manner for all.


This is not being Che, but doing what Che would have wanted everybody to do.



--Paz

[Don't Change Your Name]

El Che was a Marxist. That's it.

[SonofRage]

Here's something from the now defunct Red Encyclopedia:



CASTROISM: An ideology of national liberation and revolution based on a synthesis of Leninism and Populism. Castroism is based on the ideas and Marxist theories engineered by Che Guevara and Raúl and Fidel Castro, leaders of the Cuban Revolution. Like all Leninists, Castroists believe that the bourgeois capitalist state must be overthrown in order to create a socialist alternative. But instead of leading the masses through a vanguard party (Lenin’s view), they believe in "focoism", a Populist-based theory that acts of guerilla warfare, restricted terrorism, and heroic actions taken by a small band of warriors against the establishment will inspire the masses to join them.

Also referred to at times as "Guevaraism", followers of the ideology of Castroism believe in a strong centralized government that does not capitulate in any way to "liberal" capitalist reforms. While authoritarian in nature, Castroism does not resort to the totalitarian bureaucracy that is evident in Stalinism and Maoism. While not taking the anti-Stalinist stand which Leon Trotsky did, Castro did prevent Cuba from becoming Stalinist, as seen in Castro’s expulsion of Aníbal Escalante and his Stalinist faction from the Cuban government during the 1960’s. On the island of Grenada, Maurice Bishop, leader of the New JEWEL Movement and follower of a non-violent form of Castroism, succeeded in producing a bloodless coup on the island and overthrowing the British imperialists. In the US, the largest Castroist party today is the Socialist Workers Party (SWP). Almost every Communist and Socialist party in the United States (to a certain degree) respects the Cuban government.

[Fidelbrand]

CASTROISM...... u see how those so-called intellectuals in the academia defines it~ Everyone wants to create a new term, but the bloody core is just communism/communist revolution, the details are so frivolous and more or less the same~

I have read from a website that defines Castroism as -------> totalitarian tyranny. Fuck that.. :P

[DeadMan]

The reason there's tons of branches of every sorts of governments and idealogy is to pin point your status. I have been taking a socialist way of thinking lately. Guevaraism would basically be a communist/socialist who is fighting to remove the oppression of the US or other right winged gouvernment installation. If that makes any sense...

DeadMan.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

I do not believe that Gueveraism is what was said. One that follows Castroism. I don't even think Castroism is what they said there but thats just me.

But let me say this. Guevaraism is much more than what DeadMan said. But DeadMan you did a good job laying out the basics on it. In other words you in the right direction but you need to elaborate on that.


It is based on protecting the oppressed and protecting from imperialism. First on the list is US imperialism.

That is the basics of it. It isn't no Castroism follower.



--Paz

[Soviet power supreme]

What Guevarism is?I think it would be freeing the Latin America from the USA's imperialism and change it to a communistic continent.That is what Che wanted and that is what he tried to do.
:che:

[DeadMan]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 23 2003, 06:55 PM
What Guevarism is?I think it would be freeing the Latin America from the USA's imperialism and change it to a communistic continent.That is what Che wanted and that is what he tried to do.
:che:
Yes but it shouldn't just be Latin America, it should be the entire world from US Imperialism/Right-Winged governments. For one now the Middle East is horribly under the control of the US, as well as all of America. I seriously think the US should work to make itself better then to stick it's dumb nose in every other country.

DeadMan.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by DeadMan+Dec 24 2003, 12:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeadMan @ Dec 24 2003, 12:36 AM)
Soviet power [email protected] 23 2003, 06:55 PM
What Guevarism is?I think it would be freeing the Latin America from the USA&#39;s imperialism and change it to a communistic continent.That is what Che wanted and that is what he tried to do.
:che:
Yes but it shouldn&#39;t just be Latin America, it should be the entire world from US Imperialism/Right-Winged governments. For one now the Middle East is horribly under the control of the US, as well as all of America. I seriously think the US should work to make itself better then to stick it&#39;s dumb nose in every other country.

DeadMan. [/b]
Sad to say, U.&#036; needs natural resources from the Middle East...... they will keep raping those countries, and there might be more terrorists attacks in due course~

[DeadMan]

I don&#39;t concider it terrorist attack, more of a payback for destroying there family/homes/lives.

DeadMan.

[Comrade Zeke]

Che Guevara is man that fought for the free and the poor,the people who were almost destroyed by Us.Imperlism. Communism is considered in most parts of the world and alot of times is does become corrupted but there have been exceptions.Castro&#39;s Cuba Tito&#39;s Yugoslavia and Sallvador Alllende&#39;s were rebels in a Commuist world I think that they deserve are respect. Che was a great person do I call myself a Guevarism??? I dont know i just started to study Communism and it is very cool. Thank you ;)