Cornish Independence

[Cornishman]

Do communists support the creation of a 'Cornish Assembly', giving Cornwall more autonomy? There are several reasons why an autonomous Cornwall would be beneficial to the Cornish and the rest of Britain.


1. Independence will reduce poverty in Cornwall:


Cornwall is one of the poorest regions in the UK, at one time eligible for 'Objective One' EU funding. Cornwall's economy is primarily agricultural and tourism based. The current economic environment is not conducive to prosperity in Cornwall – something which is desirable to both the Cornish and British as a prosperous Cornwall will contribute more to the UK. The only way to create a more productive economy in Cornwall is for the local people, who live in and understand the situation in Cornwall, to have more say in how things are run.


2. Independence will improve the management of Cornwall:


Cornwall is a long way from Westminster. Decisions made in Westminster do not consider the needs of Cornwall. Funding is misspent in Cornwall as those spending it don't live in the region. Society works best when people have self determination, those who live in a region are best suited to manage it.


3. Independence will allow Cornwall to retain its cultural identity:


Cornwall has a distinct culture to England. It has it's own language (albeit extinct), traditions and history. Currently this cultural identity is undermined by England (for example the flying of Cornwall's national flag is restricted) Devolution will allow the Cornish take pride in their identity.


I appreciate any input on the above subject, I feel it is one routinely overlooked by the non-Cornish and welcome any discussion.

[Agathor]

End the imperialist occupation of Cornwall!

[Prometeo liberado]

Does this mean my cornish game hen must be liberated as well? :(

[Rooster]

Isn't there a revival of the Cornish language? I thought it was still being spoken in Breton. And it looks to be similar to Welsh, just having a quick glance at it.

[Garret]

And how is cheering a feeble nationalist sentiment going to help the working class realize socialism?

I mean, why a 'more productive economy'? Local people? Local Capitalists more like. Honestly, stop fighting for a bourgeois government under "your" flag and start fighting capitalism which is making your home crap to live in.

[NoPasaran1936]

My father's side is from Cornwall, so I do have connections.

But what on Earth does Cornwall actually have to sustain an economy. Fuck nationalism, it breeds division, not unity.

[Nox]

It's a fucking pathetic bourgeois reactionary nationalist movement that follows the typical "divide and conquer" strategy to further weaken and enslave the working class.

[Welshy]

Isn't there a revival of the Cornish language? I thought it was still being spoken in Breton. And it looks to be similar to Welsh, just having a quick glance at it.

Yeah there is, but I'm not sure how successful it will be. The revival of Irish is having a hard time and they still have a fairly large pool native speakers, whereas cornish effectively died in the early 20th century (though you will get people who dispute this and I don't know enough to argue with them). The language in Breton that you are thinking of is the separate language called Breton which is of the same branch of the celtic family as welsh and cornish.

[Sasha]

To paraphrase the late Mr connolly:

If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the independent flag over cornwell, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs.

[Rooster]

Yeah there is, but I'm not sure how successful it will be. The revival of Irish is having a hard time and they still have a fairly large pool native speakers, whereas cornish effectively died in the early 20th century (though you will get people who dispute this and I don't know enough to argue with them). The language in Breton that you are thinking of is the separate language called Breton which is of the same branch of the celtic family as welsh and cornish.

I was under the impression that the Breton language more or less died out and that it was Cornish emigrants that revived it there.

[l'Enfermé]

The guy isn't talking about separatism or whatever, he's talking about the Cornish "self-rule" movement that basically wants a Cornish Assembly, like the Scots and the Welsh and the Irish have. They want Cornwall to constitute another "home nation" of the UK, like England, Wales, Scotland and North Ireland do(currently Cornwall is a part of England). It's silly nonsense.

[IrishWorker]

Do communists support the creation of a 'Cornish Assembly', giving Cornwall more autonomy? There are several reasons why an autonomous Cornwall would be beneficial to the Cornish and the rest of Britain.


1. Independence will reduce poverty in Cornwall:


Cornwall is one of the poorest regions in the UK, at one time eligible for 'Objective One' EU funding. Cornwall's economy is primarily agricultural and tourism based. The current economic environment is not conducive to prosperity in Cornwall – something which is desirable to both the Cornish and British as a prosperous Cornwall will contribute more to the UK. The only way to create a more productive economy in Cornwall is for the local people, who live in and understand the situation in Cornwall, to have more say in how things are run.


2. Independence will improve the management of Cornwall:


Cornwall is a long way from Westminster. Decisions made in Westminster do not consider the needs of Cornwall. Funding is misspent in Cornwall as those spending it don't live in the region. Society works best when people have self determination, those who live in a region are best suited to manage it.


3. Independence will allow Cornwall to retain its cultural identity:


Cornwall has a distinct culture to England. It has it's own language (albeit extinct), traditions and history. Currently this cultural identity is undermined by England (for example the flying of Cornwall's national flag is restricted) Devolution will allow the Cornish take pride in their identity.


I appreciate any input on the above subject, I feel it is one routinely overlooked by the non-Cornish and welcome any discussion.

Do many political activists and working class Cornish support the idea of a Cornish workers republic?

[IrishWorker]

Do many political activists and working class Cornish support the idea of a Cornish workers republic?


Just answered my own question comrade.

The Cornish National Liberation Army, abbreviated to CNLA, was a terrorist Cornish nationalist organisation that has threatened to carry out acts of vandalism and arson against commercial targets that it considers to be English.[1]
The CNLA was founded in 2006 and claims to represent a merger of the An Gof (originally founded in 1980 and reformed in 2007) and the Cornish Liberation Army. It claims to receive funding from organisations based in other Celtic nations and Irish American groups in the United States, and that some of its members have received training from the Free Wales Army, the Scottish National Liberation Army, and the Irish National Liberation Army, as well as the Provisional Irish Republican Army.
In June 2007, the CNLA issued threats against celebrity chefs Rick Stein and Jamie Oliver, who own restaurants in the area, as well as to customers of these restaurants.[2] A 36-year-old man was later arrested for making the threats.[3]
It has been described by the Cornish political party, Mebyon Kernow, as a 'pseudo-terrorist group'.[1] Dick Cole, spokesman for Mebyon Kernow, released a statement[4] to various London papers, as part of an effort by mainstream Cornish political groups to balance some of the sensationalist[5] commentary in the media.
The group also opposes the flying of the English flag in Cornwall, and has threatened to destroy all English flags in the region.[1]
There is little evidence as to the size of the CNLA other than an August 2007 interview in Cornish World Magazine in which they claimed to have thirty members.[6]

As of the 9 October 2007 the CNLA's name changed to the Cornish Republican Army or CRA, in response to copycat groups and supporters claiming to be CNLA.[citation needed] The announcement contained dismissals and admissions of various publicised CNLA attacks. It also confirmed that the activities threatened against Jamie Oliver and Rick Stein had been ceased.
In November 2007 Per Svenssonn, a writer for the internet periodical Ciudadanos Europeos, successfully gained an email interview with a member of the CRA through the Cornwall24[1] website forum. As well as confirming the name change, the interview outlined (among other topics) the structure of the organisation, confirmed official CRA attacks and suggested future plans.
When questioned on forthcoming events the CRA spokesperson answered:
"2008 promises to be an interesting year for the English occupying forces and their establishment. Beyond that, no comment."
A hoax took place in March 1974 when students from Plymouth Polytechnic styled themselves the 'FCA' (Free Cornish Army) as part of a Rag Week stunt and convinced some of the Fleet Street press that Cornwall had declared independence.[7]

There were arrests made in Cornwall of people, who, it was led to believe, had some connection with the CNLA. None of these were formally charged with anything. The arrests were strongly criticised by many, including the Celtic League as being completely spurious.[8]
In particular, the Celtic League has said this:[9]
Member B was released on the same day of his arrest to answer police bail on 16 January 2008, over four months after his arrest. On the day of his arrest Member B had a large number of items confiscated from his home by the police, including Cornish flags, a history book and papers relating to Kernow Branch activity and he was hoping that his possessions would be returned to him on the day he answered his bail.
On 16 January 2008 Member B was accompanied by several supporters from the Kernow Branch to Camborne police station for 11 am to answer his police bail. At 430pm the last of the Branch supporters had to return home, after not being informed when or if Member B would be released. Member B was finally released at 9:00 pm after ten hours of interrogation with little money or means of returning home.
Member B later informed other Branch members that the police had asked him about his possible contacts with the Free Wales Army, threatened to charge him with conspiracy and led him to believe that they would arrest further Cornish activists who, they seemed convinced, were part of a Cornish 'army'.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Why can't we just support local government and Cornwall being allowed to fly its own flag or whatever, without arguing for Cornish independence?

The last thing we need are the Cornish, the Scots, the Welsh and the Northern Irish breaking off to become microscopic, inefficient, needy, poor states.

Local, democratic government can serve the needs of all national and sub-national cultures in the UK. Revolution, comrades.

[Hit The North]

I'm all in favour of the Cornish retaining their extinct language.

But I fear that an independent Cornwall would be vulnerable to the imperialist ambitions of Devon.

So I'm in two minds over this issue.

[Rooster]

I don't know about this. As it is Scotland, Wales and Ireland don't get a fair deal with them paying more in tax and getting less back compared with England. And within England itself, the north suffers at the expense of the south. Would independent nations fix this? I don't think so in the case of Wales or Cornwall. Scotland might just get by because of the diminishing oil reserves.

[NoPasaran1936]

Cornishman, can you explain why you're posting on an Neo-Nazi website?
http://www.***************/forum/t875061/ {stormy fronty website}

[Firebrand]

You know what, I think that since everyone else is getting in on the action i'm going to bring up the massive elephant in the room.
London has more people than Scotland and Cornwall combined, we are culturally very different to the rest of the uk, have our own regional dialect, and our own history. We are also the most financially viable part of the uk so no-one would need to worry about us ending up poor and i'm sure that given five minutes and a pack of felt tip pens we could come up with our own flag. I think london independence is an issue that has been ignored for far to long and we are fed up with the rest of you, from the smug home county tories with their country houses and their countryside allience to the whiny scots with their deep fried mars bars and the bigotted northerners with their BNP MEPs. I think that London should
1. secede from the UK
2. boot the brittish govt off of london sovreign property
3. ditto the royal family
4. Rename london "The people's republic of london"
5. Create a Cockney slang revival
6. Build a big wall around london
7. nationalise all housing railways and other useful things
8. apply to join the EU and get grants
9. create a national anthem
10. this could probably go on for a while so i'll stop it here

So how about it guys, the peoples republic of london. Interested?

[NoPasaran1936]

You know what, I think that since everyone else is getting in on the action i'm going to bring up the massive elephant in the room.
London has more people than Scotland and Cornwall combined, we are culturally very different to the rest of the uk, have our own regional dialect, and our own history. We are also the most financially viable part of the uk so no-one would need to worry about us ending up poor and i'm sure that given five minutes and a pack of felt tip pens we could come up with our own flag. I think london independence is an issue that has been ignored for far to long and we are fed up with the rest of you, from the smug home county tories with their country houses and their countryside allience to the whiny scots with their deep fried mars bars and the bigotted northerners with their BNP MEPs. I think that London should
1. secede from the UK
2. boot the brittish govt off of london sovreign property
3. ditto the royal family
4. Rename london "The people's republic of london"
5. Create a Cockney slang revival
6. Build a big wall around london
7. nationalise all housing railways and other useful things
8. apply to join the EU and get grants
9. create a national anthem
10. this could probably go on for a while so i'll stop it here

So how about it guys, the peoples republic of london. Interested?

As long as I'm in charge of production of dr pepper.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

It's ironic that some here who scream the loudest against nationalism seem to have a stake in preserving the UK as a nation.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I don't know how we can talk about Cornish independence in the current climate anyway. The Chancellor wouldn't be able to carry out an economic feasability study of such a policy...he can't even remember the last time he had a pasty.:lol:

[Per Levy]

you do realize that this guy will probally never post again and was even more probally a troll?