Borat's "Kazakhstan" anthem played at medal ceremony for Kazakh athlete: wwyd?

[MarxSchmarx]

Talk about a meme that just doesn't die:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17491344

I think the athlete took it very well, she was very composed and while perhaps confused at first. I would be very interested in knowing when she figured out what happened.

What if anything would you do if you were in her shoes?

[The Young Pioneer]

Since this is pretty much an anti-nationalist forum I don't think you'll find too many aggrieved people on that aspect. However, I do feel for Kuwaiti/Kazakh diplomacy personnel atm. :lol:

If I were in her shoes, I probably wouldn't care, I might even laugh, but that's only because of my personal views towards my own country.

Interesting "error" though.

[Sir Comradical]

Sacha Cohen should have been executed for producing such a disgusting anti-Soviet film in the first place.

[Ocean Seal]

Kazakhstan is greatest country in the world, all other countries are run by little girls. Kazakhstan Kazakhstan you very nice place.

Man I wish that was America's national anthem, it would actually be worth listening to.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Time for a movie on Tajikistan!!!!

[#FF0000]

Sacha Cohen should have been executed for producing such a disgusting anti-Soviet film in the first place.

Yeah? That's the problem with Borat? That it's anti-soviet? That's it?

[hatzel]

Personally I'd go on a murderous rampage. But that's just me. I guess I'm just one of those rampaging murderer types, you know...

n.b. nah prolly not

[marl]

Time for a movie on Tajikistan!!!!

but it's run by a little girl!

[manic expression]

Wow, that's incredibly insulting, beyond disrespectful. Props to the athlete for being a class act.

[The Young Pioneer]

Yeah? That's the problem with Borat? That it's anti-soviet? That's it?

Bigoted, homophobic, racist, anti-semitic (and discriminatory to other religions, namely United Pentecosts), chauvinistic...not to mention exploitative of certain "actors" most specifically in Romania who were given less than two bucks for their services and portrayed as morons.



Also, that faux Cyrillic makes it look like Bordt which just bugs me. :rolleyes:

[hatzel]

Bigoted, homophobic, racist, anti-semitic (and discriminatory to other religions, namely United Pentecosts), chauvinistic...not to mention exploitative of certain "actors" most specifically in Romania who were given less than two bucks for their services and portrayed as morons.
But I think you'll find that none of these so-called 'problems' have anything to do with anti-Sovietism, and thus do not deserve to even be called 'problems' by anybody who isn't a scumbag liberal revisionist Khrushchevite so nuuuuurgh suck on that!

[marl]

Bigoted, homophobic, racist, anti-semitic (and discriminatory to other religions, namely United Pentecosts), chauvinistic...not to mention exploitative of certain "actors" most specifically in Romania who were given less than two bucks for their services and portrayed as morons.



Also, that faux Cyrillic makes it look like Bordt which just bugs me. :rolleyes:

It's a comedy movie, and it's fucking hilarious.

[Igor]

Yes, racism and chauvinism crack me up, too.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Yes, racism and chauvinism crack me up, too.

Ohhhhhhh, here we go again. The fucking left wing Puritans. Don't. It was a hilarious movie.

Going back to the OP, I can expect that this girl, considering she is probably not a revolutionary leftist, must have been very insulted. Personally, I would have been more shocked than pissed off if they put a mock anthem of the United States anthem on. I probably would not care, unless my nation was socialist (I'm an ML).

[Bronco]

Films like Borat serve to mock and parody racism and stereotypes, not to encourage them

[The Young Pioneer]

But I think you'll find that none of these so-called 'problems' have anything to do with anti-Sovietism, and thus do not deserve to even be called 'problems' by anybody who isn't a scumbag liberal revisionist Khrushchevite so nuuuuurgh suck on that!

You misunderstand- I was not the one who posted and said it's anti-soviet. I was replying to the question of what's really "wrong" with it.

And yeah, everyone tries to give it a cop out, "Ah it's a parody of [insert whatever idiotic discrimination here], it's funny! It's not real discrimination if it's mock discrimination!"

I am by no means a "Puritan" politically correct joker myself, but I hate this fucking movie and find it incredibly offensive.

[Igor]

Ohhhhhhh, here we go again. The fucking left wing Puritans. Don't. It was a hilarious movie.

Yeah, maybe if you consider racism funny. I know, people always use the "hey man you just don't get it really mocks the Americans" and granted, it really is in no way pro-American. But the fact that whatever point its trying to send, it does it through very racist stereotypes of Central Asians and the movie really has done a good job making the view that Central Asia is some kind of backwater shithole and basically a joke for us Westerners to laugh at a lot more common. Hilarious.

Also the rape jokes. Rape is never funny, fuck you. This doesn't make me a left wing puritan, and I'm pretty sure you're in the minority here on this forums. Some reading for starters: http://www.menspeakup.org/why-rape-jokes-are-never-ok

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Yeah, maybe if you consider racism funny. I know, people always use the "hey man you just don't get it really mocks the Americans" and granted, it really is in no way pro-American. But the fact that whatever point its trying to send, it does it through very racist stereotypes of Central Asians and the movie really has done a good job making the view that Central Asia is some kind of backwater shithole and basically a joke for us Westerners to laugh at a lot more common. Hilarious.

Also the rape jokes. Rape is never funny, fuck you. This doesn't make me a left wing puritan, and I'm pretty sure you're in the minority here on this forums. Some reading for starters: http://www.menspeakup.org/why-rape-jokes-are-never-ok

Then don't watch movies. You do not have to agree with the material or even find it funny, but stop trying to make everyone else feel bad for not giving a shit.

P.S. I never said rape jokes are funny, but that the overall movie was funny. Are men now going to go out and rape women or agree with rape just because they saw this movie? The only thing that really bothers me is that women who have been raped or Central Asians might watch this movie and become offended.

[Igor]

Then don't watch movies. You do not have to agree with the material or even find it funny, but stop trying to make everyone else feel bad for not giving a shit.

P.S. I never said rape jokes are funny, but that the overall movie was funny. Are men now going to go out and rape women or agree with rape just because they saw this movie? The only thing that really bothers me is that women who have been raped or Central Asians might watch this movie and become offended.

There really are quite many movies that are not based on racist and misogynist humour. I mean, even you do accept the fact that the movie could seriously offend Central Asians or women who've been raped, meaning even actually you consider it an offensive movie, while the offensiveness of the movie is directly linked to the humour in the movie. If it's offensive and yet you find it funny, I'd really spend a little while thinking why you think it's funny and whether it's a good thing that such movies gain mass popularity.

[l'Enfermé]

One of my favorite comedies to be honest. Accusing the movie of being "Bigoted, homophobic, racist, anti-semitic (and discriminatory to other religions, namely United Pentecosts), chauvinistic." is just wrong. The whole point of the movie is to mock bigotry, homophobia, racism, antisemitism and chauvinism. I've never seen a movie that discredits and makes look ridiculous all these things.

Especially funny is the accusation of the movie being antisemitic, while it's creator is Jewish himself and does a really good job at making antisemites look like idiots.

Edit: And Pentecosts are fucking Christians, who the fuck cares about them? I'm all for discriminating against religion.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

One of my favorite comedies to be honest. Accusing the movie of being "Bigoted, homophobic, racist, anti-semitic (and discriminatory to other religions, namely United Pentecosts), chauvinistic." is just wrong. The whole point of the movie is to mock bigotry, homophobia, racism, antisemitism and chauvinism. I've never seen a movie that discredits and makes look ridiculous all these things.

Especially funny is the accusation of the movie being antisemitic, while it's creator is Jewish himself and does a really good job at making antisemites look like idiots.

So true. I think this is the first post from you that I ever thanked on this website.

[l'Enfermé]

So true. I think this is the first post from you that I ever thanked on this website.
That proves that you're not a hopeless Stalinist, but a clever person deceived by Stalinist propaganda. :cool:

[#FF0000]

tbh the ethics involved with how it was made is a bigger deal than how offensive the movie was.

but i don't remember a whole lot from borat. i do remember him making some frat boys look like total fucking morons which was neat but still cohen's a pretty awful dude.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

That proves that you're not a hopeless Stalinist, but a clever person deceived by Stalinist propaganda. :cool:

Lol.

[antiracist]

The producers of that movie tricked poor Roma (Gypsies) from Romania (the village scene). These people were then humiliated and mocked in front of the whole world.
They were paid cca. 2$ each.

[manic expression]

Especially funny is the accusation of the movie being antisemitic, while it's creator is Jewish himself and does a really good job at making antisemites look like idiots.
The only problem is that Kazakhstan and "Easterners" are portrayed as antisemites and idiots even though it's a fabrication that plays on chauvinistic myths.

[Omsk]

Do you think the people who watched the movie laughed at the 'silly racists' or 'silly anti-semites'? (The ones the movie ridicules)

No.
They were laughing at the people who were the 'victims' of such behaviour.

They laughed at the jokes,and a huge majority was proudly asking me,"how are things in fucking old Russia???" or hoping some Eastern-European people would start to run around trying to catch a chicken.

And besides,it's a over-rated comedy movie.

[Bronco]

The only problem is that Kazakhstan and "Easterners" are portrayed as antisemites and idiots even though it's a fabrication that plays on chauvinistic myths.

Yeah it's called satire, like Cohen said; "the joke is not on Kazakhstan. I think the joke is on people who can believe that the Kazakhstan that I describe can exist."

[l'Enfermé]

The only problem is that Kazakhstan and "Easterners" are portrayed as antisemites and idiots even though it's a fabrication that plays on chauvinistic myths.
Yeah a Jew with a mustache sure as hell can pass off as a Kazakh, the only people that are portrayed as idiots are the stupid rednecks Cohen makes fun of during the movie. I've literally heard an anti-semite say something like "This movie is Jewish propaganda designed to make anti-semitism look bad!"

[manic expression]

Yeah a Jew with a mustache sure as hell can pass off as a Kazakh, the only people that are portrayed as idiots are the stupid rednecks Cohen makes fun of during the movie. I've literally heard an anti-semite say something like "This movie is Jewish propaganda designed to make anti-semitism look bad!"
In all honesty, a Japanese guy wearing a kilt could pass off as a Kazakh to some western audiences. The point is that Kazakhstan and Russian-ish, Eastern-ish countries are portrayed in a pretty despicable manner. Sure, conservatives are made to look like fools, but remember those were actual people, not extremely poor Roma-Sinti people payed almost nothing to be misrepresented and mocked by millions as stupid, uncivilized, ignorant Kazakhs.


Yeah it's called satire, like Cohen said; "the joke is not on Kazakhstan. I think the joke is on people who can believe that the Kazakhstan that I describe can exist."
The guy is a proven liar. If you think some of the stuff he does is funny, fine, but it's pretty clear that Borat was playing to bigotry and misconceptions in a lot of ways.

[l'Enfermé]

Don't give us your pathetic liberal sensitivity crap, it's boring. It's hardly appropriate, especially for a Stalinist. Stalinists whining about chauvinism, the irony...

[Manifesto]

Ohhhhhhh, here we go again. The fucking left wing Puritans. Don't. It was a hilarious movie.

Going back to the OP, I can expect that this girl, considering she is probably not a revolutionary leftist, must have been very insulted. Personally, I would have been more shocked than pissed off if they put a mock anthem of the United States anthem on. I probably would not care, unless my nation was socialist (I'm an ML).
You can't be serious. That movie was a boring piece of shit.

[#FF0000]

Do you think the people who watched the movie laughed at the 'silly racists' or 'silly anti-semites'? (The ones the movie ridicules)

No.
They were laughing at the people who were the 'victims' of such behaviour.

They laughed at the jokes,and a huge majority was proudly asking me,"how are things in fucking old Russia???" or hoping some Eastern-European people would start to run around trying to catch a chicken.

And besides,it's a over-rated comedy movie.

i don't think it's the cohen's fault for a lot of people being stupid.

i mean team america's 'durka durka' terrorists were meant as satire as well, and then a bunch of people started using it like it wasn't because they are stupid.

[o well this is ok I guess]

Every time we discuss jokes I realize just how unfunny this board is.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

But despite the movie being funny, I believe that the creators should have really researched the topic before they made a movie about it. Even if they did the quickest research on Wikipedia, they would have known that Kazakhstan is very advanced due to once being part of the Soviet Union, a majority of the people are either Russian or Asian-looking (not Middle Eastern as they were depicted in the movie), that attitudes are pretty progressive, and that Kazakh life is nomadic and non-urban people live in yurts, not in villages. Also the Cyrillic was so fucked up that even I, an American, could tell it was so fucked up.

[manic expression]

Don't give us your pathetic liberal sensitivity crap, it's boring. It's hardly appropriate, especially for a Stalinist. Stalinists whining about chauvinism, the irony...
I'll take that as a "I have no idea what to say so I'll say something about Stalin because I have as little creativity as I have political substance".

[Thirsty Crow]

What if anything would you do if you were in her shoes?
I would laugh my ass off.

[Искра]

I shouldn't read thi thread. You people are acting like altarboys

[roy]

You can't be serious. That movie was a boring piece of shit.

"You can't seriously disagree with my point of view on an entirely subjective matter! What is this place?!"

[Manifesto]

"You can't seriously disagree with my point of view on an entirely subjective matter! What is this place?!"
Just like with Superbad and Pineapple Express not a single moment was funny unless you are brain dead.

[Bronco]

Just like with Superbad and Pineapple Express not a single moment was funny unless you are brain dead.

Both great films

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Time to get my wedding sack. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Geiseric]

Superbad and Pineapple Express are not funny. You cannot compare them to Borat, it is unmaterialistic.

Borat, however, looks alot like Stalin, which I think was intended. It's a parody of Stalinism, and Great Russian Cheuvanism. The whole "Socialist Realism" style is totally evident in Borat, and his town is the most backwards of peasant towns.

In other words, Sasha Baron Cohen is a Trotskyist. That is the only conclusion that we can draw from this.

[The Douche]

Fuck Sasha Baron Cohen.


Time to get my wedding sack. http://www.revleft.com/vb/borats-kazakhstan-anthem-t169408/revleft/smilies2/lol.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/borats-kazakhstan-anthem-t169408/revleft/smilies2/lol.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/borats-kazakhstan-anthem-t169408/revleft/smilies2/lol.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/borats-kazakhstan-anthem-t169408/revleft/smilies2/lol.gif

You're rolling with laughter at the suggestion of kidnapping and raping a woman?


Sorry I'm such a PC killjoy. Actually, I'm not.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Fuck Sasha Baron Cohen.



You're rolling with laughter at the suggestion of kidnapping and raping a woman?


Sorry I'm such a PC killjoy. Actually, I'm not.

When is kidnapping and raping a women ever funny? I thought the way they presented it in the movie was funny. You suggesting that a revolutionary leftist thinks that real crimes against women are funny is just stupid and annoying.

[hatzel]

I haven't seen Pineapple Express but Superbad's pretty funny. I don't exactly understand how it fits into this discussion, though...I mean seriously it has nothing to do with anything...

[manic expression]

On the whole "wedding sack" thing...the sad part about that depiction is that bride kidnapping has, since the fall of the USSR, come back into fashion to the point where it's now relatively widespread and quite accepted in places like Kyrgyzstan and Chechnya. That is the direct or indirect (depending upon how you look at it) influence of the US and of capitalism, which pokes a big hole in the "lol look how dum they R N da stanz lol" sentiment.

[Rafiq]

Borat isn't an anti soviet film.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I didn't think Borat was all that good, but suprisingly I liked Bruno a lot. I laughed until it literally hurt during that movie.

With Borat Cohen actually managed to draw out some interesting and revealing behavior from various people (like the frat boys for example) by feigning amicable ignorance as a foreigner in the USA. With Bruno he just trolled people extremely hard, and they knew they were being trolled by a total asshole, so it was a different film.

[Rafiq]

What about Ali G? You've gotta admit it's funny when he trolls pro-lifers and Donald Trump.

[Bronco]

I didn't think Borat was all that good, but suprisingly I liked Bruno a lot. I laughed until it literally hurt during that movie.

With Borat Cohen actually managed to draw out some interesting and revealing behavior from various people (like the frat boys for example) by feigning amicable ignorance as a foreigner in the USA. With Bruno he just trolled people extremely hard, and they knew they were being trolled by a total asshole, so it was a different film.

Yeah this thread actually reminded me that I'd never seen Bruno despite liking Borat so I watched it a couple of nights ago and it was actually hilarious, expected it to be worse than Borat but if anything it was better

[Misanthrope]

Films like Borat serve to mock and parody racism and stereotypes, not to encourage them

I could give a fuck what the intentions are, it's the effect.

[Bronco]

I could give a fuck what the intentions are, it's the effect.

Not really, if people don't get that the whole film is satire and that Baron Cohen is just taking the piss then that's their problem, not his

He can't really be blamed for people misunderstanding his intentions

[l'Enfermé]

But despite the movie being funny, I believe that the creators should have really researched the topic before they made a movie about it. Even if they did the quickest research on Wikipedia, they would have known that Kazakhstan is very advanced due to once being part of the Soviet Union, a majority of the people are either Russian or Asian-looking (not Middle Eastern as they were depicted in the movie), that attitudes are pretty progressive, and that Kazakh life is nomadic and non-urban people live in yurts, not in villages. Also the Cyrillic was so fucked up that even I, an American, could tell it was so fucked up.
Kazakhstan is a pretty backwards place actually. Not like say (assholes[joke from the movie]) Uzbekistan or Tajikistan, but pretty backwards. Russia is akso backwards, being fSU doesn't make a country "very advanced".

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Kazakhstan is a pretty backwards place actually. Not like say (assholes[joke from the movie]) Uzbekistan or Tajikistan, but pretty backwards. Russia is akso backwards, being fSU doesn't make a country "very advanced".

It is advanced compared to the portrayal it got in the movie and other nations, like Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[manic expression]

Kazakhstan is a pretty backwards place actually. Not like say (assholes[joke from the movie]) Uzbekistan or Tajikistan, but pretty backwards. Russia is akso backwards, being fSU doesn't make a country "very advanced".
I'm curious, how exactly are those countries "backwards"? "Backwards" compared to what?

[l'Enfermé]

On the whole "wedding sack" thing...the sad part about that depiction is that bride kidnapping has, since the fall of the USSR, come back into fashion to the point where it's now relatively widespread and quite accepted in places like Kyrgyzstan and Chechnya. That is the direct or indirect (depending upon how you look at it) influence of the US and of capitalism, which pokes a big hole in the "lol look how dum they R N da stanz lol" sentiment.
It was never "in fashion" in Chechnya. In the past it usually happened when a man and a woman wanted to marry, but the woman's family didn't approve, so the groom would "kidnap"(not really kidnap, it's more like she runs away with him)the bride and bring her to his home. Then in 80-90% of cases, the bride's family would consent to the marriage because no other man would marry her because of the "kidnapping"(though paradoxically, a divorced or widowed, or twice or thrice divorced/widowed woman, would be completely normal to marry). Though sometimes a bride would be kidnapped without her permission and that usually didn't sit well with the bride's family(my aunt was kidnapped in the 70s without her permission, but she was brought back easily and without bloodshed). Then in the 90s and 2000s this shit, kidnapping brides without their consent, it got pretty common. My uncle's daughter was kidnapped between the 2 wars in the 90s, she was 16, without her permission, and it ended with my uncle killing the kidnapper. It usually ended like that too when Kazakhs tried to kidnap Chechen brides during the deportation.

And what does bride kidnapping in Chechnya and Central Asia have to do with America? America has literally nothing to do with Chechnya.

[manic expression]

It was never "in fashion" in Chechnya. In the past it usually happened when a man and a woman wanted to marry, but the woman's family didn't approve, so the groom would "kidnap"(not really kidnap, it's more like she runs away with him)the bride and bring her to his home. Then in 80-90% of cases, the bride's family would consent to the marriage because no other man would marry her because of the "kidnapping"(though paradoxically, a divorced or widowed, or twice or thrice divorced/widowed woman, would be completely normal to marry). Though sometimes a bride would be kidnapped without her permission and that usually didn't sit well with the bride's family(my aunt was kidnapped in the 70s without her permission, but she was brought back easily and without bloodshed). Then in the 90s and 2000s this shit, kidnapping brides without their consent, it got pretty common. My uncle's daughter was kidnapped between the 2 wars in the 90s, she was 16, without her permission, and it ended with my uncle killing the kidnapper. It usually ended like that too when Kazakhs tried to kidnap Chechen brides during the deportation.
Yeah, but the kicking and screaming is the second, not-so-friendly, actual-kidnapping type you mention, and it's grown since capitalism came back. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yvLzsvPln8)

The sort of lunacy described above and above that was not very tolerated or accepted in socialist society, but today it's quite widespread because of capitalist influence. It's a very sad and sordid story and it's just one example of how capitalism has dragged many nations into very terrible ways of living.


And what does bride kidnapping in Chechnya and Central Asia have to do with America? America has literally nothing to do with Chechnya.Restoration of capitalism in Chechnya = America's influence

Not exactly hard to figure out.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

:rolleyes:

Yeah, just running away together into the sunset. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yvLzsvPln8)

:rolleyes:

A quick question here...do the women's kicking, screaming and resisting mean consent in Chechnya or does it just seem like desperate panic in translation?

Restoration of capitalism in Chechnya = America's influence

Not exactly hard to figure out.

That video is sad and angering. I think that people who do that kind of stuff should be jailed for a very long time or even sent to correctional labor camps, and if they kill anyone, they should be executed. That will help spread the message that bride kidnapping is not ok. My great-grandmother from El Salvador was a kidnapped bride. She cannot really tell me her story because she has Alzheimer's, but my mom knows that it was hard for her.

[l'Enfermé]

Yeah, but the kicking and screaming is the second, not-so-friendly, actual-kidnapping type you mention, and it's grown since capitalism came back. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yvLzsvPln8)

The sort of lunacy described above and above that was not very tolerated or accepted in socialist society, but today it's quite widespread because of capitalist influence. It's a very sad and sordid story and it's just one example of how capitalism has dragged many nations into very terrible ways of living.

Restoration of capitalism in Chechnya = America's influence

Not exactly hard to figure out.
Chechnya was never a socialist society.

[Art Vandelay]

Anyone offended by humor is a loooser of such epic proportions. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is off limits when it comes to comedy.

Cool?
:cool:
Cool.

[The Douche]

Anyone offended by humor is a loooser of such epic proportions. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is off limits when it comes to comedy.

Cool?
:cool:
Cool.

Yes dude, something are not funny. Like rape and racism.

I used to find Cohen funny until I realized Ali G is just making fun of poor people, Borat is making fun of central asians, and he is quite quick to make fun of arab stereotypes with all his characters.

I think Cohen is a racist, and I think his rape jokes are terrible and misogynist.

[manic expression]

Chechnya was never a socialist society.
I'm not getting into this here, but I'll note that you've conceded that bride kidnapping has gotten worse since the 90's, and that neither you nor I are naive enough to think that that was a change unrelated to economic and social shifts.


Anyone offended by humor is a loooser of such epic proportions. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is off limits when it comes to comedy.
Am I offended by Borat? Not personally, but I still think some of it was stupid and cheap. There's such a thing as bad comedy, and there's such a thing as comedy that works only on chauvinism. Much of Borat was both...look, I'm fine with someone trying to make a joke and messing up but planning out a film to humiliate poor villagers who had no idea what the footage is being used for, as well as to slander an entire country...that's something else.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yes dude, something are not funny. Like rape and racism.

I used to find Cohen funny until I realized Ali G is just making fun of poor people, Borat is making fun of central asians, and he is quite quick to make fun of arab stereotypes with all his characters.

I think Cohen is a racist, and I think his rape jokes are terrible and misogynist.

I think it does depend a great deal on what the intent of a work of art is, actually.

[gorillafuck]

the biggest problem with Borat is that he told a village of romanians that there would be a film on their struggles and then he just tried to portray them as complete idiots after outright lying to them and giving them false hope, and paid them next to nothing for it. that's fucking horrible.

[The Douche]

I think it does depend a great deal on what the intent of a work of art is, actually.

Like how David Duke doesn't hate black people, he just loves white people a whole lot?



I know thats a bit hyperbolic, but nonetheless, racism is racist, I know a metric fuckton of white people who are racist without consciously choosing to be.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Like how David Duke doesn't hate black people, he just loves white people a whole lot?

Since you brought up David Duke...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kYKdk9Nspf4/St5J2Z8fmCI/AAAAAAAAATU/lONhL2LkBJ4/s400/ReaganYouth.jpg

Am I allowed to view that as it was intended, ie ironically, or is Reagan Youth an evil hate group? :confused:

[The Douche]

Since you brought up David Duke...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kYKdk9Nspf4/St5J2Z8fmCI/AAAAAAAAATU/lONhL2LkBJ4/s400/ReaganYouth.jpg

Am I allowed to view that as it was intended, ie ironically, or is Reagan Youth an evil hate group? :confused:

1) The content makes the irony obvious.

2) I disagree with the use of nazi/racist shock imagery in early punk.


I believe that Cohen really does hold the urban poor and arabs in disdain. I also think he is a misogynist.

[gorillafuck]

2) I disagree with the use of nazi/racist shock imagery in early punk.there's a pretty clear difference between 70's punk bands using swastikas for shock value and reagan youth, an openly far-left band, using irony and satire for political points.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Of course it's obvious due to RY's left-wing politics, my point is that if you only analyze media on the most superficial level and disregard intent you'll probably end up being offended by everything, even examples of humor that may be poking fun at commonly held conventions or stereotypes.

[Ostrinski]

What about Ali G? You've gotta admit it's funny when he trolls pro-lifers and Donald Trump.And Chomsky.

[Red Rabbit]

Cohen is an amazing troll.

[ColonelCossack]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2006/sep/10/comedy




At the same time, he was involved with Habonim, a Zionist youth movement.

Now I like him even less.

[Manifesto]

I haven't seen Pineapple Express but Superbad's pretty funny. I don't exactly understand how it fits into this discussion, though...I mean seriously it has nothing to do with anything...
All are unfunny movies that people for no reason think are funny.