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The Cheshire Cat
23rd March 2012, 21:53
Is it possible to make a phased plan of the Revolution and the road to communism? Or would this be impossible because of all the unforseen events on the path?
Also, if there is already a book about this of some kind, could someone give it's name? Thank you.
What do you mean with "phasing"?
The Cheshire Cat
23rd March 2012, 22:00
With a phased plan I mean some kind of step-by-step manual.
Ostrinski
23rd March 2012, 22:17
No. We are not psychics. We respond to events as they unfold, we don't seek to conform events to our own vision. That's idealism.
No. We are not psychics. We respond to events as they unfold, we don't seek to conform events to our own vision. That's idealism.
That said, communists are also supporters of a scientific method; Marxism (and in particular historical materialism) is essentially the science of social change. Sure, it will not lead to a step-by-step manual, but it does give out a general direction.
Rooster
24th March 2012, 00:07
That said, communists are also supporters of a scientific method; Marxism (and in particular historical materialism) is essentially the science of social change. Sure, it will not lead to a step-by-step manual, but it does give out a general direction.
But I think that relates more to having a clear idea of what capitalism is and what should be overcome. As Marx said:
The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the lines of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement. The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: Formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.
Threetune
24th March 2012, 00:19
Is it possible to make a phased plan of the Revolution and the road to communism? Or would this be impossible because of all the unforseen events on the path?
Also, if there is already a book about this of some kind, could someone give it's name? Thank you.
Why are you asking us? You tell us. Don't be a lazy twat and findout for yourself.
The Cheshire Cat
24th March 2012, 21:10
Why are you asking us? You tell us. Don't be a lazy twat and findout for yourself.
First, I didn't ask you to make one for me. I just was wondering if it is possible to make some kind of 'manuel' as I think it might be interesting ti do.
Second, I think it is weird when you call someone a lazy twat because he is asking a question on a forum that is partially supposed to be there to answer questions. If you don't like questions, don't click on them. And don't call me twat.
Parvati
25th March 2012, 01:49
Honestly, I find the question of Student interesting. I mean if you're honest in your desire to make revolution, you need to ask yourself how, and then you have the need to answer this question.
Some historical debates could be interesting and must sometimes be achieved; but there is not a single people in this world that is gonna risk their lives for revolution based on some old historical facts. The important thing is to learn from these experiences, not fetishize it. And then, try to apply and synthetize the keys of Dialectic Materialism, Class Struggles, to a living investigation of the situation of your Region/Country. What's the main contradiction in your country ? What are the basis of exploitation and accumulation of capital? What is the history of the people there, their history of struggles and oppression? What are the point of views that we can found in the masses? Which seem to be right and which seem to be wrong? For me, these are some solid bases on the path of revolution.
After this, there are some political and tactical concepts, that have been synthetized by revolutionaries from the world and ages, like the questions of violence to overthrow the state, and the "Dictature of the Proletariat" that is necessary to lead the society from capitalism through communsim. These are not dogmas - it would be completely useless; but rather the most complete and effective forms of revolutionary actions in the development of a revolutionary movement and the overthrow of capitalism.
As I'm a supporter of a Party, that rallies the most determined persons on the question of revolution, I would add that a Revolutionary Party must work with real concrete plans that considers all these questions in a concrete manner, and a concrete time. What do we do now? What are the steps from now to the accomplishment of Revolution (always concretely)? And if we're now at Step 1, how could we get to Step 2, in how much time? And then, how do we intend to pass from Step 2 to Step 3-4-5-6-7-8-9, etc.?
The Cheshire Cat
2nd April 2012, 14:00
Yes, like Parvati said. It doesn't have to be very detailed. Just in big lines, as there are always unexpected problems wich you can't forsee. But we can learn from the past and maybe think of solutions for things that went wrong in the past.
Vladimir Innit Lenin
2nd April 2012, 15:48
Why are you asking us? You tell us. Don't be a lazy twat and findout for yourself.
I don't think there's any need to be so rude to someone asking a genuine question.
Perhaps you should apologise and retract your use of female sexual genitalia as an insult. No platform for casual sexism, buddy.
Neoprime
2nd April 2012, 18:54
1. Preparing for Revolution
2. Revolution
3. Building Socialism
4. Socialism
5. Communism
I see it like this.
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