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o well this is ok I guess
20th March 2012, 06:30
Man, this is the newspaper they sell at the local chinese supermarket.
Chances are this'll turn out to be a hoax or nothing big in the morning, but until then, check it out.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/coup-in-beijing-says-chinese-internet-rumor-mill-207993.html


Over the night of March 19 and early morning of March 20, Bejing local time, a message about a large number of military police showing up in Beijing spread widely across microblogs in mainland China.
The key figures in the action are said to be: Hu Jintao, the head of the CCP; Wen Jiabao, the premier; Zhou Yongkang, who has control of the People’s Republic of China’s police forces; and Bo Xilai, who was dismissed from his post as head of the Chongqing City Communist Party on March 15 by Wen Jiabao, after a scandal involving Bo’s former police chief.
Li Delin, who is on the editorial board of Securities Market Weekly and lives in Dongcheng District of Beijing, wrote on his microblog a report that confirmed unusual troop movements: “There are numerous army vehicles, Changan Street is continuously being controlled. There are many plainclothes police in every intersection, and some intersections even had iron fences set up.”


According to the message that went viral on China’s Internet, a military force with unknown designation quickly occupied many important places in Zhongnanhai, the Chinese leadership compound in Beijing, and Beijing in the early morning of March 20, with the cooperation of Beijing armed police.
The troops entered Beijing to “get and protect Bo Xilai,” according to the message.
A mainland Chinese reader has told The Epoch Times that a military coup has taken place in Beijing.
It is still unknown who, if anyone, has been arrested.
The message claims Zhou Yongkang first used armed police force in an attempt to arrest Hu and Wen. However, Hu and Wen had been prepared and Zhou’s coup was subdued, though rumors of Hu and Wen being arrested had been spread earlier.


The message says that now both sides, Hu and Wen on one side, and Jiang Zemin and Zhou Yongkang on the other, are mobilizing armed forces. However, only Hu Jintao can mobilize the regular army, which he still controls, according to the message.
The message also claims that forces directed by Zhou Yongkang had taken control over CCTV and the Xinhua (http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-10-12/33256.html) News Agency, but that the regular army under the command of Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao had since taken back control of the news outlets.
The news column on Xinhua’s website was all foreign news from 11 p.m. on March 19 to at least 8 a.m. on March 20, with not a single piece of domestic news—which is quite unusual.
One netizen posted on microblog: “Strange! Except Beijing Television, no other television in Beijing is broadcasting. This is very strange!!! It had never happened before.”
However, Beijing state-controlled media have observed that imposing a curfew on Changan Street is quite normal, as the North Korean Vice Foreign Minister Ri Yong-ho is seeing Wu Dawei, the People’s Republic of China’s special representative for Korean affairs, and had made a rare advance appointment with media to give a speech outside the east entrance of Diaoyutai State Guesthouse.


Beijing media has also noted that the China Development Forum is closing, with guests from across the country leaving after the forum. For these reasons, Beijing media said there are many police on Changan Street, and taxis are not allowed to stop next to the airport terminal building.
The Epoch Times is at present trying to verify the messages.

Krano
20th March 2012, 06:40
Time for the Maoists to make there move if this is true.

A Revolutionary Tool
20th March 2012, 06:42
Time for the Maoists to make there move if this is true.
There are still some left? And what would they do anyways?

What would this mean anyways, which faction represents what if it were true?

MustCrushCapitalism
20th March 2012, 07:01
I'm feeling a hoax here.

Rusty Shackleford
20th March 2012, 07:04
bullshit.

o well this is ok I guess
20th March 2012, 07:14
Whoever is doing this isn't showing much integrity on the matter. The orginal caption for the photo up said that there was a military vehicle in the middle. All I see is a bus.

Rusty Shackleford
20th March 2012, 07:15
the title of the article itself says 'internet rumor mill"

o well this is ok I guess
20th March 2012, 07:21
the title of the article itself says 'internet rumor mill" Chances are this paper wanted to be the first ones to run the story, just in case it turned out to be true.

Rusty Shackleford
20th March 2012, 07:22
its not showing up anywhere else. if this were really happening it would be all over the news

o well this is ok I guess
20th March 2012, 07:30
its not showing up anywhere else. if this were really happening it would be all over the news Other news sources probably wait for more reliable information before running a story.
But as I said, it's probably going to turn out to be a hoax or nothing serious.
But monday nights are boring.

Astarte
20th March 2012, 07:32
Why would there be a struggle between Hu Jintao and Jiang Zemin? Its not like Hu Jintao has really deviated from Jiang Zemin's policies ... it would be more believable if they said it was some military insurrection by a young general or something along those lines.

Prometeo liberado
20th March 2012, 08:02
Other news sources probably wait for more reliable information before running a story.
But as I said, it's probably going to turn out to be a hoax or nothing serious.
But monday nights are boring.

Never a wiser sentence written in regards to Mondays in the news business. Back in the olden days a man in D.C. jumped off his condo balcony. Apparently he looked vaguely like a Casper Weinberger pancake. So the press ran with it the next day. Nothing made for a better headlline back in the day than drinkin with Ol' Dutch and jumping off buildings.The lunatics have free reign on nights like these.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
20th March 2012, 11:20
Well, it's also the Epoch Times, which I believe is owned by the Falun Gong. It doesn't discredit what they say necessarily, but perhaps they are too quick to jump to a conclusion which they would like, which is instability in a Chinese regime which cracked down pretty hard on their movement.

The truth is that there is some weird stuff going on in the Chinese politburo however, with the firing of Bo Xilai over apparent nepotism, the increase of internet censorship, a possible Capitalist crisis on the way, and a quite frightening level of internal security spending.

Nothing Human Is Alien
20th March 2012, 13:33
:lol:

This is from an anti-communist, anti-Chinese regime Falun Gong paper that is about as credible as anything from L Ron Hubbard's Scientology scam.

It's a free paper here in New York, where it's based. It's quite popular for some people in the city -- but as bird cage liner rather than reading material.

"...many in the overseas Chinese community see the Epoch Times as a Falun Gong newspaper.

"'Among the readers from mainland China, this is a kind of propaganda for Falun Gong group,' said Liu Kang, the director of the Program in Chinese Media and Communication Studies at Duke University. 'It is not viewed as an independent objective news media,' he said." - http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=6ce9872ebb88b3aaa3ff4 8b6c1ffc19a

l'Enfermé
20th March 2012, 14:04
Kind of like that North Korea coup story posted here a while back?

Krano
20th March 2012, 15:05
There are still some left? And what would they do anyways?

What would this mean anyways, which faction represents what if it were true?
Yes they have been growing for years why wouldn't they? just because China has turned to Capitalism doesn't mean all of it's people agree with it, ever heard of Tiananmen Square protests?

piet11111
20th March 2012, 20:27
Time for the Maoists to make there move if this is true.

Quick restore capitalism !!!!

(just kidding but i really could not resist this one)

Are there even maoists left that are not capitalist roadies ?

Red Commissar
20th March 2012, 21:07
:lol:

This is from an anti-communist, anti-Chinese regime Falun Gong paper that is about as credible as anything from L Ron Hubbard's Scientology scam.

It's a free paper here in New York, where it's based. It's quite popular for some people in the city -- but as bird cage liner rather than reading material.

"...many in the overseas Chinese community see the Epoch Times as a Falun Gong newspaper.

"'Among the readers from mainland China, this is a kind of propaganda for Falun Gong group,' said Liu Kang, the director of the Program in Chinese Media and Communication Studies at Duke University. 'It is not viewed as an independent objective news media,' he said." - http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=6ce9872ebb88b3aaa3ff4 8b6c1ffc19a

They have them down here where I am too, in the DFW metroplex. There's a sizable Chinese community here, both from the mainland and from Taiwan, and as such a lot of their publications tend to be seen in supermarkets where they frequent. Even the University I'm at has some Chinese-language publications, and among them is both English and Chinese versions of the paper. I used to see them passing through the halls, never actually looked at them though.

Looking at the Wikipedia article it also mentions something about a "Nine Commentaries on the Chinese Communist Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Commentaries_on_the_Communist_Party)", advertisements of which I used to see plastered on the back of someone's van picking up a school kid when I was in middle school 10 years back

But yeah, it's these kinds of sources you want to avoid, particularly if it's over some fixation of theirs.


Kind of like that North Korea coup story posted here a while back?

Yeah, it's definitely in the same vein. Some news site picking up a story based off some mutterings from Chinese social media. They don't have anything to lose by running it though since the Chinese government hates them enough, so I guess like OP said they just threw it out there in the very off chance it was true.

Krano
20th March 2012, 23:08
Quick restore capitalism !!!!

(just kidding but i really could not resist this one)

Are there even maoists left that are not capitalist roadies ?
http://www.maoflag.net/

Rusty Shackleford
20th March 2012, 23:18
is there any way to read maoflag.net in english?

Krano
20th March 2012, 23:48
is there any way to read maoflag.net in english?
Google translate is understandable.

Red Commissar
23rd March 2012, 01:12
These rumors appear to still be running wild in social media networks in China, some western publications have picked it up too treating it as 'news' like Epoch Times did with social media. Likewise claims of the government scrubbing the internet of these references and pictures like the following, though personally I think they don't look real.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16970274/bjt.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16970274/bjt3.png

It's interesting how a rumor like this could spin out of control.

gorillafuck
23rd March 2012, 01:24
the funny this is how fake rumors can influence what people actually do.

it is just a rumor though.

Crux
23rd March 2012, 02:00
For a bit more info on the internal power struggle in the CCP and the removal of Bo Xilai. (http://www.revleft.org/vb/showthread.php?t=169356)

As for these news, well colour me skeptic. Not that the Falun Gong connected media don't occasionally do some relatively interesting reporting from inside China, given their network and support. But has already been mentioned before they are well...fucking crazy. Super ultra idealist religious and nationalist nonsense, that kind of thing of course has a bit of effect on their reporting.

While the removal of Bo Xilai *is* a big issue, but in the end it seems to be more re-shuffling than a major power-shift. Perhaps it will shake up the "neo-maoist"-mileu as the regime is now taking a further aim on the left. And unlike Bo Xilai and the rest of his crew, the "neo-maoists" might get their illusions shattered by being thrown into jail. But then again about 40 members of the CCP (Maoist) got arrested, in Bo Xilai's Chongqing no less, when having their congress back in 09, and I am not sure how much of an effect that had on the general consciousness among the "neo-maoists".

Anyway, assuming for a moment that these coup d'etat news are the real deal...I can't even begin the predict the effects of that, but earthquake would be an understatement.

RedHal
23rd March 2012, 02:02
These rumors appear to still be running wild in social media networks in China, some western publications have picked it up too treating it as 'news' like Epoch Times did with social media. Likewise claims of the government scrubbing the internet of these references and pictures like the following, though personally I think they don't look real.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16970274/bjt.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16970274/bjt3.png

It's interesting how a rumor like this could spin out of control.

lol those pics are probably from their rehearsal for the last major military parade a few years ago:laugh:

Red Commissar
23rd March 2012, 02:49
lol those pics are probably from their rehearsal for the last major military parade a few years ago:laugh:

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

The funny thing is really there's people really trying to act like this is true, but Beijing isn't some 'mysterious' city like Pyongyang, there's a lot of foreigners and activities going on there- someone would have noticed. If there was an ongoing crisis in the past days, Hu Jintao wouldn't be out of the country right now in Taiwan.

Edit: And here's more, you can see the same vehicles and street on this video at 0:35 :

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