Spetsnaz in Syria

[milkmiku]

Loos like Russia is applying pressure on the west with the latest move.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/russian-anti-terror-troops-arrive-syria/story?id=15954363

[Comrade Samuel]

Bad for scumbag U.S imperialists, bad for Syrian people and good for scumbag modern imperialists in Russia.

Something makes me doubt America will seriously consider a military strike as a viable option now unless they feel like being the people responsible for setting off WWIII.

[l'Enfermé]

The same guys that went around my country raping women, killing children and mutilating bodies of dead civilians and collecting their ears. Hail Spetsnaz!

[NorwegianCommunist]

The same guys that went around my country raping women, killing children and mutilating bodies of dead civilians and collecting their ears. Hail Spetsnaz!

Which country do you live in?

[Zulu]

Bad for scumbag U.S imperialists, bad for Syrian people and good for scumbag modern imperialists in Russia.

Something makes me doubt America will seriously consider a military strike as a viable option now unless they feel like being the people responsible for setting off WWIII.

Have you read the article? It's just a squad of marines to protect a naval vessel (the Russians have a naval base in Syria) in case of whatnot. But the foreign minister explicitly says, that if it comes to an intervention, they will not engage the invaders. Why would they? Putin's been a CIA spy since his tenure in Dresden.

[yaik7a]

Actually keeping Assad in power is great for the Syrian people.

[Igor]

Actually keeping Assad in power is great for the Syrian people.

fuck off

[roy]

Actually keeping Assad in power is great for the Syrian people.

Nice first post.

OI is lovely in Spring.

[yaik7a]

Nice first post.

OI is lovely in Spring.

What is OI?

[PhoenixAsh]

What is OI?

opposing ideologies...

[l'Enfermé]

Actually keeping Assad in power is great for the Syrian people.
No it's not. The Assad regime isn't as bad as the rebels, but it's fucking horrible even for a capitalist society.

[danyboy27]

Actually keeping Assad in power is great for the Syrian people.

I am not quite sure that all those folks who where blackmailed and bullied by the syrian army and the syrian cops for all those years really agree with you.

wanna get your driving license in time? bribe. wanna be able to set shop in x neigborhood? bribe the cops. you want to be able to be gay freely? bribe the cops.

And if you dont want to pay, these assoles will fuck your shit up, throw you out of your work or trash your shop or dump so much paperwork under your application you will be 87 when your license registration will be authorised.

Just like gadafi this regime was hiring north american and european corporation to build their infrastructure and extract their ressources.

[Orlov]

Thankfully Russia will defend the legitimate government against the Islamist terrorists and promote discussion between all political forces.

[danyboy27]

Thankfully Russia will defend the legitimate government against the Islamist terrorists and promote discussion between all political forces.

A governement is illegitimate if its controlled by a rulling class and devoid of any democratic institutions.
so no, the syrian governement hold no more legitimacy than the U.S or the chinese governement.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Have you read the article? It's just a squad of marines to protect a naval vessel (the Russians have a naval base in Syria) in case of whatnot. But the foreign minister explicitly says, that if it comes to an intervention, they will not engage the invaders. Why would they? Putin's been a CIA spy since his tenure in Dresden.
WAT




i dont care about putin, but that is some convoluted as fuck conspiracy shit right there.

[Hiero]

A governement is illegitimate if its controlled by a rulling class and devoid of any democratic institutions.

That is a strange position. What makes a legitimate government in your opinion? Is it a government made up of all classes? The idea of a ruling a class is that it rules, it rules the government.

[Ocean Seal]

It looks as if Assad is going to stay. Russia beat America to the punch here. I guess all we can say is cool story bro.

[danyboy27]

That is a strange position. What makes a legitimate government in your opinion? Is it a government made up of all classes? The idea of a ruling a class is that it rules, it rules the government.

the whole idea of communism is the abolition of classes.

are you against it?

[Hiero]

the whole idea of communism is the abolition of classes.

are you against it?

Communism is outside capitalist politics and its institutions of class power which are states, governments, private property etc. Given governments are a power discourse in a capitalist era their legitimacy is determined on capitalist rules. If you are a communist you just acknowledge that there are governments, they are niether legitimate or illegitimate.

[danyboy27]

Communism is outside capitalist politics and its institutions of class power which are states, governments, private property etc. Given governments are a power discourse in a capitalist era their legitimacy is determined on capitalist rules. If you are a communist you just acknowledge that there are governments, they are niether legitimate or illegitimate.

so, you dont think the assad governement, a state ruled by a class of autocratic bourgeois is illegitimate?

[Orlov]

;) It's only legitimate if the United States and the rest of the West can politically divide a country and then attempt to take the destiny of the countries national system away from the 'local savages' who are unable to decide for themselves and require hypocritical oil emirates and the United States to do it for them. Of course the Syrian Free Army was defeated they were mainly composed of Sunni Islamists attempting to create further sectarianism towards Shi'ites, US supported Emir lapdogs and various other factions who wanted to sell Syria to the United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

[Hiero]

so, you dont think the assad governement, a state ruled by a class of autocratic bourgeois is illegitimate?

What would be its legitimate form?

[Grenzer]

Thankfully Russia will defend the legitimate government against the Islamist terrorists and promote discussion between all political forces.

Legitimate government, are you kidding? No bourgeois dictatorship is legitimate; to say otherwise is flat out counter-revolutionary. You seem to have a particular fondness for the Syrian bourgeoisie.

[danyboy27]

What would be its legitimate form?

A governement that is elected and not composed of a rulling bourgeois class.

[sithsaber]

A governement that is elected and not composed of a rulling bourgeois class.

And one that doesn't use tanks against its people

[Hiero]

A governement that is elected and not composed of a rulling bourgeois class.

That is what a government is, it is composed of the ruling class' bureaucrats. In most countries governments rule for the bourgeoisie.

[l'Enfermé]

A governement that is elected and not composed of a rulling bourgeois class.
You're in favor of parliamentary democracy?

[danyboy27]

That is what a government is, it is composed of the ruling class' bureaucrats. In most countries governments rule for the bourgeoisie.

including assad governement.

[danyboy27]

You're in favor of parliamentary democracy?

if the member of the parlements could be recalled at any time and if being a member of the parlement wouldnt be a matter of economic superiority yes but i prefers direct democracy over parlementary democracy at any time.

there are many differents system of democracy and we should be able to decide wich one we want.

[Hiero]

including assad governement.

Ofcourse. Assad's government is a bit more factional in terms of class representation. He made an interesting point in a ABC (US) interview where he described Syrian political society. He sai from the populace his governments has support of a faction, the majority are in the middle and then their is a faction of dissenters. In dictatorships and single party rule, non-ruling class members may earn beneficial gains for their support such as pettite bourgeoisie, peasants, certian workers based on regional or ethnic catergoy. This occured in Iraq for instance in the Sunni triangle.



if the member of the parlements could be recalled at any time and if being a member of the parlement wouldnt be a matter of economic superiority yes but i prefers direct democracy over parlementary democracy at any time.

there are many differents system of democracy and we should be able to decide wich one we want.


That is social democracy.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Nice first post.

OI is lovely in Spring.

Oh please, OI were the first to call out the anti-Imperialist crowd here and whole heartedly support the revolts in Libya and Syria (not just those in Egypt, Tunisia, Bahrain, and other western backed regimes).


Thankfully Russia will defend the legitimate government against the Islamist terrorists and promote discussion between all political forces. Unfortunately the "legitimate government" did an excellent job at dividing people into their clans in order to keep control. If you research the revolt, it's clear that large Christian and Kurdish support existed for the uprising, and quite possibly still exists. The only resistance left in the streets seem to be Sunni islamists with the shelling and massacring and all.

Question for you, is the regime in Iraq that is crushing Sunni institutions and militias, as well as purging their politicians, as legitimate as the Syrian government is?


It looks as if Assad is going to stay. Russia beat America to the punch here. I guess all we can say is cool story broYou would have been great for morale at Valley Forge, in the Sierra Maestra or in Tahrir Square. What revolutionary zeal! :lol:

[danyboy27]

That is social democracy.
None of the system i mentionned above where social democrats, where did i mentionned that the capitalist economic system must remain in place?