A new threat to Cuban soverignty

[Fidel Castro]

"After it's success in Afganistan and Iraq, the government should finish with the regime of Fidel Castro", Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida (and Dubya's cousin).

I don't think I have to tell anyone here how real the threat of US aggression has been to Cuba for over 40 years now. I personally believe that evidence shows Fidel to have genuine popularity (e.g election results in 1998) and anyone who follows current Cuban affairs closely can see thet Cuba is making real progress in medical, educational and social fields (despite an illegal and UN condemned trade embargo). So folk', what in your opinion is fuelling on-going US policy? Pressure from the Cuban-exile movement? A bad after-taste of nationalization of Cuban industry (at the expense of the like of United Fruit) or just old Cold War revenge? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this and your reactions to the threat of, perhaps, invasion....

[Maynard]

A new threat ? It seems that it's the same threat that's been there for 40 years just repackaged. Of course, it's Jeb Bush sucking up to the Cuban exiles in Miami. His brother does have an election coming up, so now is the time to try and get those importnat votes.

Fidel records in improving aspects of Cuban society speak for themselves, let's not pretend that everyone in Cuba loves him. I am sure people there oppose his rule just as every other country.
What is fueling it , econmic interest of course. They see it as another land to be under the thumb on US interests , just like the majority of Latin America country. Of course it's publisced to get votes from exiles but I think overhemlinging it's economic interest that fuel it. They desire another colony. Revenge wouldn't come into it I wouldn't say though the media will have a field day once again declaring the "death of Communism". What will happen when Fidel dies ? It's hard to say but the Cuban population as a majority will not take kindly to once again being lackeys to US economic interests. I doubt it'll be easy for America especially when this happens, the failures of it's "Sucesses" in Iraq and Afghanistan are once and truly known.

[Comrade of Cuba]

One of the most capitalistic states of the USA is Miami and it only lies a few hundred kilometres of Cuba. So it would be very "convinient" for the "big bosses" of some large american companies to have a country nearby that they can abuse. But therefore they need a capitalistic government or a "temporary" US government (like in Iraq).

And I don't think that the USA had a success in Iraq. (That is good in my opinion ;) )

[toastedmonkey]

We must remember Cuba has proved all the capitalists and their properganda wrong, Communism does work.

Considering all the trade embargos, for over 40 years, on Cuba, for them to survive, and to do so well, is amazing.
Cuba should be an inspiration to anyone who is a victim of U$ Imperialist oppresion, communist or not.

And it is for this reason that the U$ must destroy Cuba's example, in any way they can.

[Intifada]

apparantly fidel castro has good relations with libya, syria, iran and north korea (countries in the "axis of evil). therefore cuba is a "rogue" state and a "threat to world peace".

an american journalist, called toby westerman, says that if america ignores the threat of cuba:


the bomb blasts and guerrilla warfare now experienced in the South American nation of Colombia will come to America with a force more terrible than the wildest dreams of al Qaeda or its ilk.

what a load of bullshit!

the usa wants control of the cuban sugar fields back, they want all of its resources in their own hands once more.

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 12:36 PM
What will happen when Fidel dies ?
I'd imagine, Raul will be democratically elected.

Which would be intersting, hes a big marxist and at times crazy. Maybe a few changes in Cuba but not many.

America?
Well i wouldnt be suprised if Raul invaded america?!
America will probaly up their aggression. They will have to show why Raul is a "bad man", but when he is democratically elected, they will have a problem and perhaps even less support for an attack on Cuba.
How could they justify a war on a democratic and independent country for over 40 years, perhaps over 50 by then.

Im sure their spin doctors will have something to say

[Intifada]

Im sure their spin doctors will have something to say

im sure they'll come up with something, maybe castro has weapons of mass destruction too! :lol:

[Comrade of Cuba]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 01:56 PM
Well i wouldnt be suprised if Raul invaded america?!

I'm sure that if Raul becomes president the US will invade Cuba. That chance is higher then vice-versa. But our Fidel is still healthy :castro:

[Fidel Castro]

Of course the threat of invasion has always been there, and the Bay of Pigs fiasco is proof of US government links with the exile movement. Although Raul may seem likely to take over from Fidel it must be remembered that he is not a young man now himself, there are other likely candidates such as Ricardo Alacon (President of the People's National Assembly I believe) or perhaps Filipe Perez (minister for Foreign Affairs). Raul dosn't enjoy as much of the people's respect and support that Fidel has.

I just worry that after Fidel dies, which if we are honest is unlikely to be too long away, the United States will see the advantage and either invade or try it's best to secure a government more favorible to them through offers of tempting trade deals, travel ban lifting and political pressure. I think though, the majority of Cuban people (though as someone else in this post said, by no means all) will want Cuba to continue as it is now.

[Agent provocateur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 03:46 AM
"After it's success in Afganistan and Iraq, the government should finish with the regime of Fidel Castro", Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida (and Dubya's cousin).

I don't think I have to tell anyone here how real the threat of US aggression has been to Cuba for over 40 years now. I personally believe that evidence shows Fidel to have genuine popularity (e.g election results in 1998) and anyone who follows current Cuban affairs closely can see thet Cuba is making real progress in medical, educational and social fields (despite an illegal and UN condemned trade embargo). So folk', what in your opinion is fuelling on-going US policy? Pressure from the Cuban-exile movement? A bad after-taste of nationalization of Cuban industry (at the expense of the like of United Fruit) or just old Cold War revenge? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this and your reactions to the threat of, perhaps, invasion....
This is what Gore Vidal means when he quotes Charles A. Beard: "Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace"

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2003, 03:46 AM
So folk', what in your opinion is fuelling on-going US policy?
Why is the U.S. interested in Cuba? An ambition for domination of the country is probably the reason. U.S. interest in Cuba goes back as deep as the 1820's. Thomas Jefferson probably would have ordered an invasion of Cuba, had it not been for the British fleet deterring U.S. expansion. Why has the U.S. wanted to get rid of Castro so much? First off, there was his general defiance of the U.S. But that didn't even kick in to a large extent until the 60's. A large part of the U.S.' disliking of Castro was, as historian Arthur Schlesinger wrote: "the spread of the Castro idea of taking matters into one's own hands." And that was of course a threat, because in Latin America "the distribution of land and other forms of national wealth greatly favours the propertied classes, [and] the poor and underprivileged, stimulated by the example of the Cuban revolution, are now demanding opportunities for a decent living." Why is the U.S. more interested in taking over than it has been since the Bay of Pigs invasion? That is because, along with Syria, Iran, Venezuala, North Korea, Iraq, Brazil, and Malaysia, Cuba has changed their currency on the consumption of oil from U.S. dollars to Euro dollars.

[Comrade of Cuba]

A nearby country which will be a poor country, if the US conquers it (Now it isn't a poor country and the Cubans will probably defeat the invaders) is always "handy" for the capitalistic americans. The Cubans will have to work and have no education or healthcare. Which is cheap for the Americans. But it will take the Cubans back to the time of Battista.