"Maoists kidnap two Italians in India"

[Tim Cornelis]

http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Asia/Story/A1Story20120318-334169.html


RAIPUR, India - Maoist rebels have kidnapped two Italian tourists in poverty-hit eastern India, police said Sunday, in what police said was the first abduction of foreigners by the left-wing militants.

Television reports said the kidnappers had issued 13 demands for the release of the Italians, including a request for police to release an unspecified number of prisoners and end their drive to root out Maoists from the region.

The abduction occurred Saturday in the scenic Kandhamal district in central Orissa, police said, one of a string of states where armed Maoist rebels have been waging a decades-long battle against the authorities.

"Maoists have abducted two Italian nationals from Daringbadi area of Kandhamal district," regional police deputy inspector general Radha Krishna Sharma told AFP.

"This is the first time any foreigner has been kidnapped by Maoists," he added.

The Italian foreign ministry in Rome identified the kidnap victims as Paolo Bosusco and Claudio Colangelo.

"We immediately activated a crisis unit" which is in contact with Italy's consul general in the eastern Indian city of Kolkata, a ministry spokesman said.

The consul general "is working with local police on the ground. The men's families have been informed," the spokesman added.

Italian media said Bosusco, a 54-year-old tourist guide from Turin, and Colangelo, a 61-year-old from Rome, were on a trekking trip.

In the past, the ultra-leftist guerrillas have kidnapped local officials, police and villagers, freeing some after negotiations with authorities but killing others.

Sharma confirmed that the rebels had issued demands for the Italians' release but did not disclose their contents.

He said the Maoists initially kidnapped four people Saturday, including two Indians but freed the Indian hostages on Sunday morning unconditionally.

Police were searching to locate the Italian hostages, he said.

The tourists were abducted while taking photographs of local women bathing in a river, NDTV television reported.

The Indian government has described the Maoist movement, which often targets police and soldiers with deadly roadside mine ambushes, as the country's biggest internal security threat.

The insurgency, which began in 1967, feeds off land disputes, police brutality and corruption, and is strongest in the poorest and most deprived areas of India, many of which are rich in natural resources.

The rebels say they are fighting for the rights of neglected tribal people and landless farmers and their ultimate goal is to capture India's cities and overthrow parliament.

Another newsreport said they were "arrested" by the Maoists "after taking pictures of women bathing in a river", but I'm not sure if this means they were arrested/kidnapped for taking pictures.

May be a sign that the Maoists are getting more aggressive, or desperate.

[Nox]

May be a sign that the Maoists are getting more aggressive, or desperate.

Or a sign that they are not communists.

[Ostrinski]

Or a sign that they are not communists.I really don't see how kidnapping people has anything to do with whether you're a communist or not.

[Ravachol]

Or a sign that they are not communists.

Not judging about this thing but you are aware 'kidnapping' bosses and locking them up in their office (or, in more militant cases taking them to some other place) is a rather common practice for even tradition unions when disputes get heated?

[l'Enfermé]

I really don't see how kidnapping people has anything to do with whether you're a communist or not.
They're not Communists because they're Maoists, not because they kidnap people, but Brospierre is right. Communists can kidnap all they want, but it completely ineffective and is counter-productive.


"after taking pictures of women bathing in a river"
Hah, typical Italians!

[dodger]

Or a sign that they are not communists.

I always act with respect and courtesy. i WAS BROUGHT UP TO BE A LITTLE WORKING CLASS GENTLEMAN. When in a liberated or contested zone here, I leave the camera at home. I certainly would show more respect to the people in any area than taking pics of naked females. That would be asking for trouble ....BIG TIME. I found the local peoples militia and police very kindly disposed. No doubt I was on their radar they showed nothing but courtesy respect due my age and I was a foreigner.

Just recalled walking along a man made drainage canal in a Muslim area I was out of sight of the road and I was following it to meet my Wifey in village. On passing a large tree , over on the other bank was a family of 7 male/female kids all with bare arses perched over the bank, doing what comes naturally. I though better retrace my footstep and return, get a trike to village. All of a sudden they caught sight of me ...."salaam aleikum"...".aleikum salaam" I replied . They made no attempt to cover up ...but chatted in my wifeys dialect and bits of English...pointed way to village Off I went again....heavens...."thank heavens that's over with" . My word there was another group doing the same thing ...this time teenage girls in school uniforms....Sweet Jesus.. by this time I am dripping with sweat the heat et al.A couple (more modest) put their scarf over the face but leave their bums in full view. Eager to try out English phrases they bombarded me...they even asked if there was a song I wanted them to sing. Abba ..perfect pitch and harmony. By this time I had become more relaxed, was even pleased to see another family and beyond yet another Until I got to the village. Maybe that sort of thing is best left to Italians...but best leave yer camera at home. No doubt the Wahabis will spread their message and a part of the world will be changed forever. No photos but I will carry that picture with me until the day I die. The song? Just hit me......."Dancing Queen"...is that ABBA???

[l'Enfermé]

Also, I think it would be fair to say, at least according to my knowledge, that the Naxalites in India are actually gaining strength right now, and are not desperate.

[Susurrus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17421561

Here's the other article.

[bcbm]

Also, I think it would be fair to say, at least according to my knowledge, that the Naxalites in India are actually gaining strength right now, and are not desperate.

they've been losing ground for the last couple years

[gorillafuck]

it seems like Maoist activities hit a peak and are now on the downturn. pacified by their own tactics.

[bcbm]

the government launched a pretty massive campaign against them beginning in 2010

[gorillafuck]

oh whoops, I was thinking of maoists in nepal who were administering government.

[Nox]

I really don't see how kidnapping people has anything to do with whether you're a communist or not.

I wasn't specifically saying about the kidnapping

It was just a general stab at Maoism

[manic expression]

I wasn't specifically saying about the kidnapping

It was just a general stab at Maoism
It's refreshing to see someone be so honest about opportunistic sectarianism.

[Sir Comradical]

This is really strange behaviour from the Maoists. Wouldn't be surprised if it was actually some right-wing landlord militia like the Ranvir Sena posing as Maoists.

[Amal]

I just want to draw attention to one point. Very few tourists are now dare to go to the Maoist infected areas. Are they just really plain "tourists" or something else at the veil. Many journalists, including some from BBC had visited their strongholds in last few years, kidnapping them would be more effective.
Maoists have all reason from their part to suspect that two people wondering so close to them can be something "else".

[dodger]

It's refreshing to see someone be so honest about opportunistic sectarianism.

Too harsh dear Manic, hardly a stab, 'twas but a little prick........

[Amal]

In this "leftist" forum, there are many who are ready to jump on Maoists with a slightest chance, but just put a blindfold when the Indian state are murdering its own citizens, trying the put the whole country a police state like condition.

[Guy Incognito]

In this "leftist" forum, there are many who are ready to jump on Maoists with a slightest chance, but just put a blindfold when the Indian state are murdering its own citizens, trying the put the whole country a police state like condition.

You go right on ahead and defend "maoists" when they kidnap tourists. Some of us think attacking innocent people is a little rude, regardless of who's doing it. Hell, even if they were peeping toms, driving them out with a good sized stick (welts heal, and you tend to learn not to do it again) and taking/breaking their camera is a hell of a lot better for their cause than holding them hostage at gunpoint. Nobody here is putting "a blindfold" on about the Indian state. Call a dick move a dick move, and move on.

[Amal]

You go right on ahead and defend "maoists" when they kidnap tourists. Some of us think attacking innocent people is a little rude, regardless of who's doing it. Hell, even if they were peeping toms, driving them out with a good sized stick (welts heal, and you tend to learn not to do it again) and taking/breaking their camera is a hell of a lot better for their cause than holding them hostage at gunpoint. Nobody here is putting "a blindfold" on about the Indian state. Call a dick move a dick move, and move on.
But by "criticizing" both, you actually put the scoundrel state and the fighters in the same category. The state and its apparatuses of oppression are far more dangerous and had so far done far more worst kind of "dick moves". But, just look at the posts above! At least I haven't seen any kind of "criticism" of Indian state there.

[Amal]

http://revolutionaryfrontlines.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/what-maoists-say-orissa-imperialist-tourism-for-tribal-entertainment-in-war-zones-of-repression-and-resistance-part-six/#more-21975
The explanation from Maoists themselves.

[dodger]

Thank you Amal for helping us to be better informed. If there are further developments we would all be eager to receive news of them, if you have time!

[l'Enfermé]

It's refreshing to see someone be so honest about opportunistic sectarianism.
It's not sectarianism because Maoists are neither Socialists nor Marxists.

[Susurrus]

Kidnapping tourists is not revolutionary. It has been suggested that they were taken captive for being possible spies. If so, why haven't the Maoists labeled them as such?

Also, in their statement they claim that tourism uses people as commodities, akin to "apes and chimpanzees". By that logic, if I were to visit, let's say, London, for a holiday, I'd be treating all Londoners the same as apes, animals. This is blatantly false.

On the other hand, if these people just really don't want tourists around, that's another thing entirely. But kidnapping two tourists is not only ineffective at achieving their numerous demands, but it's also ridiculous to kidnap tourists. It's like trying to shut down Wal Mart by kidnapping two random shoppers, and also demanding that the government provide universal healthcare.

[Amal]

Kidnapping tourists is not revolutionary. It has been suggested that they were taken captive for being possible spies. If so, why haven't the Maoists labeled them as such?

Also, in their statement they claim that tourism uses people as commodities, akin to "apes and chimpanzees". By that logic, if I were to visit, let's say, London, for a holiday, I'd be treating all Londoners the same as apes, animals. This is blatantly false.

On the other hand, if these people just really don't want tourists around, that's another thing entirely. But kidnapping two tourists is not only ineffective at achieving their numerous demands, but it's also ridiculous to kidnap tourists. It's like trying to shut down Wal Mart by kidnapping two random shoppers, and also demanding that the government provide universal healthcare.
Problem is, when you visit London and when you visit some tribal area of India, your attitude become totally different. It's a reality and if you want to deny that, better take a blindfold.

[Welshy]

Kidnapping tourists is not revolutionary. It has been suggested that they were taken captive for being possible spies. If so, why haven't the Maoists labeled them as such?

Also, in their statement they claim that tourism uses people as commodities, akin to "apes and chimpanzees". By that logic, if I were to visit, let's say, London, for a holiday, I'd be treating all Londoners the same as apes, animals. This is blatantly false.

On the other hand, if these people just really don't want tourists around, that's another thing entirely. But kidnapping two tourists is not only ineffective at achieving their numerous demands, but it's also ridiculous to kidnap tourists. It's like trying to shut down Wal Mart by kidnapping two random shoppers, and also demanding that the government provide universal healthcare.

I think one of the issues here is that the Italian tourists were taking pictures of women bathing. I don't know about you but when I go to another country, I don't go there to take pictures of the women nude without their consent. So I guess I have to ask what would you have done if you were a Naxalite and you saw two people being absolute pigs and photographing women bathing with out their consent?

I personally I have a difficult time blaming the maoists for what they did this time. Also I find it funny that people are using the Bourgeois media's term kidnapping, instead of arresting which is what this seems like, but this does give me an idea. We should use the word kidnapping for whenever the police arrest someone.

[Guy Incognito]

But by "criticizing" both, you actually put the scoundrel state and the fighters in the same category. The state and its apparatuses of oppression are far more dangerous and had so far done far more worst kind of "dick moves". But, just look at the posts above! At least I haven't seen any kind of "criticism" of Indian state there.

Frankly, it shouldn't have to be said here on Revleft that we as a general group of folks do not support the brutal actions of the state. Any state. Do you want us all to log in every day, and reaffirm our every greivance with Capitalism? Or shall we wait for specific incidents to arise, as we've been doing? Far more dangerous? Yes. Why does this then mean that you can't criticize another dangerous action? Criticizing both does not put the state and the fighers in the same boat. It means what they have done is stupid, counter productive and dangerous. Which is not mutually exclusive.

I don't give a free pass to Jared Loughner (arizona courthouse shooting) for murdering a judge, and shooting a congresswoman and other bystanders, simply because the U.S. Government is a pile if steaming crap. By your logic, because Adolph Hitler used the Holocaust to murder millions, Josef Stalin should not be criticized for murdering less, since A.) He called himself a communist. And B.) He wasn't as dangerous in the grand scheme of things.

[Guy Incognito]

I think one of the issues here is that the Italian tourists were taking pictures of women bathing. I don't know about you but when I go to another country, I don't go there to take pictures of the women nude without their consent. So I guess I have to ask what would you have done if you were a Naxalite and you saw two people being absolute pigs and photographing women bathing with out their consent?

I personally I have a difficult time blaming the maoists for what they did this time. Also I find it funny that people are using the Bourgeois media's term kidnapping, instead of arresting which is what this seems like, but this does give me an idea. We should use the word kidnapping for whenever the police arrest someone.

They should have been driven out with a solid beating with sticks. Kidnapping is now Bourgeois eh? So when you're an innocent person, on vacation, in say columbia. Say you get jumped by bandits in the woods while you're out birdwatching? Are you saying you deserve to be "arrested" for being a tourist? How about when Mexican Narco's kidnap people? Is that beign Arrested? Are they then justified because of it somehow being a Bourgeois concept?

[Susurrus]

I think one of the issues here is that the Italian tourists were taking pictures of women bathing. I don't know about you but when I go to another country, I don't go there to take pictures of the women nude without their consent. So I guess I have to ask what would you have done if you were a Naxalite and you saw two people being absolute pigs and photographing women bathing with out their consent?

I personally I have a difficult time blaming the maoists for what they did this time. Also I find it funny that people are using the Bourgeois media's term kidnapping, instead of arresting which is what this seems like, but this does give me an idea. We should use the word kidnapping for whenever the police arrest someone.

If I were a Naxalite, I would either just beat them and take their camera or some such thing, or actually arrest them. Your argument that they are arrested for their actions doesn't work, because they are being held with a list of demands for their release, not just for a period of punishment.

[Amal]

If I were a Naxalite, I would either just beat them and take their camera or some such thing, or actually arrest them. Your argument that they are arrested for their actions doesn't work, because they are being held with a list of demands for their release, not just for a period of punishment.
Exchanged against imprisoned leaders, NOT SOME RANSOM. I am pretty sure if they did what you suggested, you will then cry for the same actions now they did. After all, I don't think beating with sticks isn't some kind of civilized action.

[Welshy]

They should have been driven out with a solid beating with sticks. Kidnapping is now Bourgeois eh?

First I didn't say Kidnapping is bourgeois, I'm saying that is the term that the bourgeois media is using, lrn2read.


So when you're an innocent person, on vacation, in say columbia. Say you get jumped by bandits in the woods while you're out birdwatching? Are you saying you deserve to be "arrested" for being a tourist? How about when Mexican Narco's kidnap people? Is that beign Arrested? Are they then justified because of it somehow being a Bourgeois concept?

I had no clue that photography naked women with out consent is the same thing as bird watching. The things you learn on the internet. Also nice bit of anti-communism their comparing maoists to drug cartels. I may not like the naxalites over all but that comparison is bullshit. If the italians weren't taking pictures of naked women without their consent then I would say people who are completely against this action would have a point, but it seems like everyone is just ignoring the circumstances of this action and just seeing the words "tourists", "maoists" and "kidnap" and then give the kneejerk response of "Fuck the maoists, those authoritarian bastards!".



If I were a Naxalite, I would either just beat them and take their camera or some such thing, or actually arrest them. Your argument that they are arrested for their actions doesn't work, because they are being held with a list of demands for their release, not just for a period of punishment.

I've already responded to the first part but the fact that they are putting conditions for their release on a list of demands does seem to point to the fact that this action wasn't purely based on what I was saying earlier. To me it seems completely possible that they held initially because of the pictures but after doing that realized they could get something out of it. Opportunistic yes, but that's a different thing issue from what has been argued before.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Also, I think it would be fair to say, at least according to my knowledge, that the Naxalites in India are actually gaining strength right now, and are not desperate.

Exactly, they are actually not only gaining in strength, but in my opinion, gaining hegemony over the capitalist state and system in the rural areas. Personally i don't see how kidnapping is counterproductive. Sure if the demands are ludicrous, but getting comrades out of prison seems to be a genuine guerilla tactic.

[Guy Incognito]

First I didn't say Kidnapping is bourgeois, I'm saying that is the term that the bourgeois media is using, lrn2read.

Oh I read it quite clearly. You are implying that the tactic is valid through your statement, and dismissing the term as a "Bourgeois media" term.


I had no clue that photography naked women with out consent is the same thing as bird watching. The things you learn on the internet. Also nice bit of anti-communism their comparing maoists to drug cartels. I may not like the naxalites over all but that comparison is bullshit. If the italians weren't taking pictures of naked women without their consent then I would say people who are completely against this action would have a point, but it seems like everyone is just ignoring the circumstances of this action and just seeing the words "tourists", "maoists" and "kidnap" and then give the kneejerk response of "Fuck the maoists, those authoritarian bastards!".

How adorable. "You don't agree with random fucks who claim to be maoists who are kidnapping tourists for alleged peeping, you must clearly be anti-communist!" Keep going man, it's beautiful.

Nobody is ignoring the circumstances. We all agree they should have had the shit kicked out of them if they were actually taking pictures of girls in a stream. Using the same tactics that Narco enforcers and South American bandits/rebels use on innocent tourists makes you look like Narco enforcers and bandits.

"Oh but they have such a good cause! Kidnapping tourists is good when you have a cause!" :laugh:


I've already responded to the first part but the fact that they are putting conditions for their release on a list of demands does seem to point to the fact that this action wasn't purely based on what I was saying earlier. To me it seems completely possible that they held initially because of the pictures but after doing that realized they could get something out of it. Opportunistic yes, but that's a different thing issue from what has been argued before.

Oh, they just want their leaders released! That clearly makes it all fine hunky-dory to kidnap tourists and use them in trade. Hey, I know. If this works, let's kidnap MORE tourists to get what we want! Maybe we can begin the revolution by kidnapping enough people, that those proles we capture, the other proles can be forced to do what we want to get them back, and eventually will LOVE us for it! /sarc

[Amal]

http://southasiarev.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/cpimaoist-13-point-list-of-demands/
Maoist demands.

[RedHal]

If I were a Naxalite, I would either just beat them and take their camera or some such thing, or actually arrest them. Your argument that they are arrested for their actions doesn't work, because they are being held with a list of demands for their release, not just for a period of punishment.

:laugh: An internet revolutionary telling real revolutionaries, made up of the most oppressed in Indian society who are engaged in real life or death struggle against the State, what they are doing wrong because it does not fit with his idealized method of struggle that he read in some book.

[RedHal]

Kidnapping tourists is not revolutionary. It has been suggested that they were taken captive for being possible spies. If so, why haven't the Maoists labeled them as such?

Also, in their statement they claim that tourism uses people as commodities, akin to "apes and chimpanzees". By that logic, if I were to visit, let's say, London, for a holiday, I'd be treating all Londoners the same as apes, animals. This is blatantly false.

On the other hand, if these people just really don't want tourists around, that's another thing entirely. But kidnapping two tourists is not only ineffective at achieving their numerous demands, but it's also ridiculous to kidnap tourists. It's like trying to shut down Wal Mart by kidnapping two random shoppers, and also demanding that the government provide universal healthcare.

Yeah because Londoners are seen as primitive and exotic :rolleyes:, FFS are you that blind from your 1st worldview that you don't see the difference?

[Delenda Carthago]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17441345

[Delenda Carthago]

If I were a Naxalite
You are not.

[Positivist]

Why is everyone so damn hateful towards maoism? Perhaps it isn't perfect Marxism because the focus of revolutionary activity is on the peasantry rather than the proletariat, but can we really expect people to suffer under capitalism and imperialism just because they lack an industrial working force? Maoist doctrine presents an avenue through which capitalism may be opposed, and communism promoted in less developed economies, and for this reason it should enjoy our full support.

[Amal]

Why is everyone so damn hateful towards maoism? Perhaps it isn't perfect Marxism because the focus of revolutionary activity is on the peasantry rather than the proletariat, but can we really expect people to suffer under capitalism and imperialism just because they lack an industrial working force? Maoist doctrine presents an avenue through which capitalism may be opposed, and communism promoted in less developed economies, and for this reason it should enjoy our full support.
There is no such thing as "perfect" Marxism. Something "perfect" is more close to religion than science. Everything scientific is on the way of flourish and change from time to time in a definite direction.

[Susurrus]

You are not.

I am not a bourgeoisie either, nor a Bolshevik, nor a Nazi. Doesn't mean I cannot criticize any of those groups. Also, the person specifically asked me, "What would you have done you were a Naxalite?"

[Susurrus]

Exchanged against imprisoned leaders, NOT SOME RANSOM. I am pretty sure if they did what you suggested, you will then cry for the same actions now they did. After all, I don't think beating with sticks isn't some kind of civilized action.

Ransom: a consideration paid or demanded for the release of someone or something from captivity.

A prisoner exchange is a ransom, and that's not the only thing they were demanding. And yes, I probably would prefer that they were punished in some other manner, but that seems a more likely punishment, as would arrest.

[Susurrus]

:laugh: An internet revolutionary telling real revolutionaries, made up of the most oppressed in Indian society who are engaged in real life or death struggle against the State, what they are doing wrong because it does not fit with his idealized method of struggle that he read in some book.

Yeah, I am just some person on the internet. So what? I can still look at something and analyze it. This is a forum where we discuss such things.

[Susurrus]

Yeah because Londoners are seen as primitive and exotic :rolleyes:, FFS are you that blind from your 1st worldview that you don't see the difference?

Well, for me yes they would be exotic, as they are from a different culture than mine. And as for primitive, the view of certain cultures as primitive is a result of widespread ignorance and/or bias in western society handed down from imperialism. It's not specific to tourists, and even someone with that worldview would still most likely treat them as humans.

[black magick hustla]

But by "criticizing" both, you actually put the scoundrel state and the fighters in the same category. The state and its apparatuses of oppression are far more dangerous and had so far done far more worst kind of "dick moves". But, just look at the posts above! At least I haven't seen any kind of "criticism" of Indian state there.

who gives a shit its the fucking internet

[Orlov]

Hopefully this action will send a message to the Italian government and the privileged tourists that India is not a Disney Land for the foreign bourgeois to visit and that while the Indian government is in power and the Italian government collaborates with the Indian government that no Italian will be safe in India whether they are tourists or directly linked to the Italian government.

[black magick hustla]

Hopefully this action will send a message to the Italian government and the privileged tourists that India is not a Disney Land for the foreign bourgeois to visit and that while the Indian government is in power and the Italian government collaborates with the Indian government that no Italian will be safe in India whether they are tourists or directly linked to the Italian government.

you'd probably get kidnapped too whitey

[Amal]

you'd probably get kidnapped too whitey
Hey man, Maoists have a lot of supporters outside India and some of them are err..... whitey. Do you know about the website www.icawpi.org? If someone from there want to visit the Maoist prone areas, they will certainly get a warm welcome.

[Agathor]

Hopefully this action will send a message to the Italian government and the privileged tourists that India is not a Disney Land for the foreign bourgeois to visit and that while the Indian government is in power and the Italian government collaborates with the Indian government that no Italian will be safe in India whether they are tourists or directly linked to the Italian government.

Do you have an Italian ex-wife or something?

[black magick hustla]

Hey man, Maoists have a lot of supporters outside India and some of them are err..... whitey. Do you know about the website www.icawpi.org? If someone from there want to visit the Maoist prone areas, they will certainly get a warm welcome.

maybe, but if the reason behind the kidnap was merely that they were a bunch of white dudes they could shake money from, i don't see why anyone here is an exception.

[Positivist]

Why is everyone so quick to jump on the Maoists? Perhaps maoism isn't perfect Marxism because the peasantry takes the place of the proletariat as the core revolutionary force, but it still offers a guide through which countries that lack an industrial working class may resist capitalism and establish socialism! We cannot truly expect the people of underdeveloped nations to suffer under imperialism just because they have not progressed to the industrial stage of historical development after all.

[Amal]

Why is everyone so quick to jump on the Maoists? Perhaps maoism isn't perfect Marxism because the peasantry takes the place of the proletariat as the core revolutionary force, but it still offers a guide through which countries that lack an industrial working class may resist capitalism and establish socialism! We cannot truly expect the people of underdeveloped nations to suffer under imperialism just because they have not progressed to the industrial stage of historical development after all.
What else do you expect from armchair revolutionaries! Actually, Maoism doesn't deny the role of proletariat as the leading class. Mao himself in many of his interviews clear expressed opinion about the reactionary nature of peasantry. Maoism, as you know it, is applicable to countries which are in less developed stage and industrial workers are very small fraction of total population. There you cannot do anything by denying the peasantry. Maoism is actually the way of making revolution in countries which isn't properly capitalist but rather feudal.

[kashkin]

I don't see how this is going to help the Maoists in any way.

Also, the Maoists have been in decline. They have little support out of their base regions and all the other 'socialist' parties have gone the way of most social-democrat parties world-wide.

[Positivist]

What else do you expect from armchair revolutionaries! Actually, Maoism doesn't deny the role of proletariat as the leading class. Mao himself in many of his interviews clear expressed opinion about the reactionary nature of peasantry. Maoism, as you know it, is applicable to countries which are in less developed stage and industrial workers are very small fraction of total population. There you cannot do anything by denying the peasantry. Maoism is actually the way of making revolution in countries which isn't properly capitalist but rather feudal.

Yes that is what I am saying, glad to see some rationality on this issue.

[Amal]

Yes that is what I am saying, glad to see some rationality on this issue.
Actually Maoism is something tailor made for Asian countries which are more feudal than proper capitalist. To understand Maoism, someone should have proper idea about feudalism, semi-feudalism and particularly the situation of various Asian countries. Those who deny semi-feudalism, can't understand Maoism by any means.

[Hiero]

Yeah, I am just some person on the internet. So what? I can still look at something and analyze it. This is a forum where we discuss such things.

Most people don't understand how violent the 3rd world is, especially rural India. They could have killed him and stuck their heads on posts, or burned them with acid or gasoline and fire like what has happened in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Instead the Maoist decided to hold on to two valuable resources and make some reasonable demands.

[o well this is ok I guess]

I'm not big on kidnapping or anything
But I can totally understand hating the shit out of tourists.

[black magick hustla]

What else do you expect from armchair revolutionaries!

so tell me, where is your ak 47 and your guerrilla band motherfucker. you are as much of an armchair as anyone here

[Ostrinski]

I quite enjoy my armchair, although a futon is more practical.

[o well this is ok I guess]

I quite enjoy my armchair, although a futon is more practical.If you're using a laptop, maybe.