China again calling on reform according to the BBC

[Revolutionary_Marxist]

Well apparently the Chinese National People's Congress is calling for reform in the Chinese government, and it looks a hell like revisionism. The government is continuing to denounce Mao's Cultural Revolution, and amongst other programs started by Mao Tse Tung. The government of China wants political and economic reform. In my opinion this seems that the already revisionized government of China might just drop their psuedo-communism and might become openly Capitalist, instead of hiding under the false Communist party. So Revleft whats your opinion on this article?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-17362644

NOTE: I wasn't sure where to post this, so I just posted this under Ongoing Struggles. Oh and I know the BBC is known for their bias.

[Yefim Zverev]

it s a shame china still uses the name "communism".. they are defaming it..

[TheGodlessUtopian]

thread moved to politics

:)

[Orlov]

The only current option in China in order to restore socialism is a coup. It's pointless to start over with new cards when the party apparatus already exists, quite frankly progressive social-forces led by communist forces need to seize control of the Chinese state and revert Dengist capitalist expansion. Time is running out though, the Chinese capitalist class is expanding and with that expansion they grow hungrier.

[Deicide]

it s a shame china still uses the name "communism".. they are defaming it..

The 20th century already did that.

[l'Enfermé]

It's funny how capitalist reforms have greatly improved living standards for hundreds of millions in China during the last 2 decades. So much for Maoism!

[piet11111]

It's funny how capitalist reforms have greatly improved living standards for hundreds of millions in China during the last 2 decades. So much for Maoism!

?!?

I really don't like Maoism but this seems dubious to me.

[Orlov]

?!?

I really don't like Maoism but this seems dubious to me.
It's just a liberal openly accepting capitalism. Nothing new, like all liberals they fail to recognize that class struggle isn't a beautiful romantic picture especially when it comes to former semi-feudal countries which overcame imperialism, all kinds of social and political conflicts. In fact, in this case it's bloodshed, it's always bloodshed and will always be for countries within this situation which Maoist China of course was. Instead of supporting the path towards socialism and finally communism instead like all liberals he favors capitalism which brings nice fancy Western goods and smiley faces while at the same time exploitation continues to increase.

[Rafiq]

It's just a liberal openly accepting capitalism. Nothing new, like all liberals they fail to recognize that class struggle isn't a beautiful romantic picture especially when it comes to former semi-feudal countries which overcame imperialism, all kinds of social and political conflicts. In fact, in this case it's bloodshed, it's always bloodshed and will always be for countries within this situation which Maoist China of course was. Instead of supporting the path towards socialism and finally communism instead like all liberals he favors capitalism which brings nice fancy Western goods and smiley faces while at the same time exploitation continues to increase.

Living standards got undoubtly better after the reforms. This is unquestionable. There is no going back and reversing them, it has already been done. Now, there is actually a strong Working class in China, and it has a lust for class struggle. that being said, Maoism is all together useless for their situation, and Mao himself would probably agree. China's industrialized and the peasantry are slowly dissapearing. The answer for China is the same, if not a more bold answer, in regards with Western Countries: Proletarian revolution.

[RedHal]

It's funny how capitalist reforms have greatly improved living standards for hundreds of millions in China during the last 2 decades. So much for Maoism!

when you grow out of your rebellious faze, I can see you embracing the free market like many of your ilk.

[Agathor]

It's just a liberal openly accepting capitalism. Nothing new, like all liberals they fail to recognize that class struggle isn't a beautiful romantic picture especially when it comes to former semi-feudal countries which overcame imperialism, all kinds of social and political conflicts. In fact, in this case it's bloodshed, it's always bloodshed and will always be for countries within this situation which Maoist China of course was. Instead of supporting the path towards socialism and finally communism instead like all liberals he favors capitalism which brings nice fancy Western goods and smiley faces while at the same time exploitation continues to increase.

You certainly use that word very, ah, liberally.

The rest I agree with. Western goods and smiley faces are indeed a bourgeois decadence

[Os Cangaceiros]

China?! Revisionism?! I don't believe it! :ohmy:

[Bostana]

China is a revisionist shithole

The last thing they need is more reforming.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

They might as well finish the process of returning to capitalism and get rid of that useless Communist Party if they are going to go down this path. Maoism left China with not enough industrialization, so unfortunately guess who had to come in to fix that problem? You guessed it: Deng Xiaoping! (Not a compliment Deng, so don't get excited) The main problem with Maoism is that it is mainly a Marxist-Leninist theory more suitable for semi-feudal and largely agricultural places. Just look at the rebels in Nepal, the Naxalites in India, and the Shining Path of Peru. It is not as prepared to tackle successful and rapid industrialization, as is Stalinism and Hoxhaism.

P.S. I saying a lot of this just out of common knowledge. If I am wrong, please point it out.

[Small Geezer]

Is there anything major in that article, apart from the pledge to float the Yuan 'more freely' that signals major right-wing reforms?

I would wager that China's leadership (at least a significant part of it) probably thinks more social-democratic type reforms would be the best way to maintain social stability.

[Veovis]

The only current option in China in order to restore socialism is a coup. It's pointless to start over with new cards when the party apparatus already exists, quite frankly progressive social-forces led by communist forces need to seize control of the Chinese state and revert Dengist capitalist expansion. Time is running out though, the Chinese capitalist class is expanding and with that expansion they grow hungrier.

Coups d'état do not socialism make. You meant 'plenty of labor organizing followed by a popular uprising,' right?

[Orlov]

Coups d'état do not socialism make. You meant 'plenty of labor organizing followed by a popular uprising,' right?

No I meant a section of the party leading the the military to seizing the state and establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat by leading the proletariat through the party. Plenty of labor organizing and a popular organizing in China now will just give you a 1989 color revolution followed by a full establishment of capitalism without the CCP being there to even balance out Western imperialism.

[Krano]

It's funny how capitalist reforms have greatly improved living standards for hundreds of millions in China during the last 2 decades. So much for Maoism!
Yeah ive heard that from defenders of Capitalism it's funny when you ask them why things are so well in China they say because of Capitalist reforms, but when you ask them why are the workers so exploited they say it's because of Communism :lol:

[Ocean Seal]

It's funny how capitalist reforms have greatly improved living standards for hundreds of millions in China during the last 2 decades. So much for Maoism!
This is kind of dumb being that Maoism in itself improved the living standards in China far more greatly than the current capitalist reforms.


Living standards got undoubtly better after the reforms. This is unquestionable. There is no going back and reversing them, it has already been done. Now, there is actually a strong Working class in China, and it has a lust for class struggle. that being said, Maoism is all together useless for their situation, and Mao himself would probably agree. China's industrialized and the peasantry are slowly dissapearing. The answer for China is the same, if not a more bold answer, in regards with Western Countries: Proletarian revolution.
I agree with this post, but one important thing to remember is the inertia of certain historical movements. Maoism was able to almost fully industrialize China and China even in the 70's showed no signs of slowing its growth, so how much credit can we really give to Deng for what was done in China.

[Rafiq]

Deng cannot be credited as China was already Industrializing, and Mao already opened up trade relations with the West. He was merely a continuation.

[piet11111]

I am under the impression that workers living conditions have only gotten worse since the capitalist reforms.

This mostly based on the increasing worker suicides and massive wage cuts and increasing numbers of strikes.

[Delenda Carthago]

I am under the impression that workers living conditions have only gotten worse since the capitalist reforms.

This mostly based on the increasing worker suicides and massive wage cuts and increasing numbers of strikes.

Socialism can only be achieved in mature capitalist conditions. That was not the case in China, so they had to construct it for the grassroots. So it is only logical that capitalist reforming at that phase, will increase economy's ability in general and along with that better living conditions will come. But that has a historical tipping point where it will be reversed. Probably China has already passed that.