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Brosa Luxemburg
14th March 2012, 12:56
What are your thoughts on this lecture by Michael Parenti?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UUKj-7_9rU
andyx1205
15th March 2012, 22:04
The funny thing is I had a feeling what was in this thread before I opened it, lol.
Revolutionary_Marxist
18th March 2012, 06:30
Intresting lecture, and this is nothing really new. The American Cult of the Framers has been around for 200 years, but yet is conveniently silenced when Anti-Communists criticze the Cult of Personalities of Stalin and Mao. This shows you how alienated American society really is when America isn't even aware of the Cult of the framers.
Vyacheslav Brolotov
18th March 2012, 06:42
I think that for their time and in the context of a bourgeois struggle for independence, the Founding Fathers were good men. Yet, we are revolutionary leftists and we know that bourgeois revolutions do not fix everything.
Ostrinski
18th March 2012, 06:54
I think that for their time and in the context of a bourgeois struggle for independence, the Founding Fathers were good men. Yet, we are revolutionary leftists and we know that bourgeois revolutions do not fix everything.I agree somewhat, but they weren't a monolithic group. Thomas Jefferson was the scum of the earth, while Thomas Paine was one of the best bourgeois enlightenment thinkers, for example.
Grenzer
18th March 2012, 06:59
I think that for their time and in the context of a bourgeois struggle for independence, the Founding Fathers were good men. Yet, we are revolutionary leftists and we know that bourgeois revolutions do not fix everything.

Pretty much this exactly.

In the context of their age, they were revolutionary and progressive, it's easy for us to forget that.

What we must combat vigorously is the lie that by today's standards, they are still paragons worthy of being emulated. A close analysis of them reveals a large number of things.. they were plutocrats, as all bourgeois are, misogynists, slavers, and things like that. Most people are pretty surprised when I tell them that originally the franchise only extended to a very small number of people. The only thing that has changed over time is the illusion that ordinary people are able to influence government.