Question, Law, moral consistancy

[Unrelenting Steve]

If an employer cant choose his employees based on race and sex, then how should the law consider organisations that are gender and race specific/sensitive?

descrimination, how can it be okay and not okay..... Mus'nt law take a consistant stance?

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

Well I think in 99% of careers it doesnt matter wether your male, female, black or white-and discrimintation obviously shouldnt be allowed against any of these or other groups. However there are times when discrimination is more neccesary i belive. I have noticed that many kids/young adults shows like to put in a mix of races-as it shows everyone to be people, and kids learn from a young age that theres nothing wrong with people who have different colour skin for example. In cases such as these where a mixture is prefferable, i think disrimination is acceptable as it does more good than harm.

[Xuix]

its a very sensitive subject, but i agree with el marko, sometimes its very nessecary to use racial discrimnation to get a mixed group working for you, it may look cheap,(i mean, come on, imagine being hired just because your black/yellow/malato and not for your skills?) you'd feel like a used tool,

[Hoppe]

Why should it take a stance?

I think everyone discriminates all the time. Let say you have to walk to point A. In street 1 you have a gang of black people and street 2, white. If you're black you'll probably decide on 1 and vice versa if you're white. Is this really bad? Because it's the same a rejecting a letter signed by "shaneeqa".

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

I'd use the street that was nearest, in fact i'd probablt change my mind and go home.

[Desert Fox]

It depends on the proffesion, someone time is better to discriminate a certain person since he/she would never feel good doing the proffesion he/she applied for. But you should get someone for their skills and not for their race/sex/age ;)

[Pete]

For Women's shelters it is logical to have women. If you are running from an abusive relationship, the last think youd wnat to have looking after you is a man.

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

its a good point. However in this case, it is important for these women to come into contact with men so they can learn that not everyone is the same, and that they can be good caring people.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 28 2003, 07:48 PM
its a good point. However in this case, it is important for these women to come into contact with men so they can learn that not everyone is the same, and that they can be good caring people.
Well I think it is better that in shelters will stay man-less. Since women go to those places to escape men and not to meet them and even more if men would work in shelters they would scare of new comers ;)

[Hoppe]

If you are consistent you should oppose to this as well.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 09:43 PM
If you are consistent you should oppose to this as well.
Quoi ?

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

Originally posted by Desert Fox+Nov 28 2003, 08:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Desert Fox @ Nov 28 2003, 08:37 PM)
El [email protected] 28 2003, 07:48 PM
its a good point. However in this case, it is important for these women to come into contact with men so they can learn that not everyone is the same, and that they can be good caring people.
Well I think it is better that in shelters will stay man-less. Since women go to those places to escape men and not to meet them and even more if men would work in shelters they would scare of new comers ;) [/b]
I agree comrade, i was merely saying it is impotant for these people to learn to feel safe with men again. I wouldnt just chuck em in with a load of blokes though&#33; :P

p.s. quoi???:S huh?

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by El Marko+Nov 29 2003, 12:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (El Marko @ Nov 29 2003, 12:28 PM)
Originally posted by Desert [email protected] 28 2003, 08:37 PM

El [email protected] 28 2003, 07:48 PM
its a good point. However in this case, it is important for these women to come into contact with men so they can learn that not everyone is the same, and that they can be good caring people.
Well I think it is better that in shelters will stay man-less. Since women go to those places to escape men and not to meet them and even more if men would work in shelters they would scare of new comers ;)
I agree comrade, i was merely saying it is impotant for these people to learn to feel safe with men again. I wouldnt just chuck em in with a load of blokes though&#33; :P

p.s. quoi???:S huh? [/b]
Well you could have male security guards or so at those shelters to protect those women against husbands that don&#39;t let go ...

Quoi => what (french) and I used it because I didn&#39;t understand what Hoppe said :(

[Hoppe]

Oh, if I wasn&#39;t clear, I meant that if you would want all people to be equal and treated as such you cannot permit women shelters to only have women in their staff. You can make up excuses for every job there is.

[Unrelenting Steve]

I was thinking of this...... You dont get female priests in the Catholic church, in a country where you cant be descriminated against because of your sex... Should that particular institution that descriminates be illegal.... that is not a great example, but im sure you get the question im trying to ask..

[Desert Fox]

You can&#39;t ask for equal rights for every sex in every working place, since it is just not possible. You have to understand that there are exceptions and you have to respect them :-)

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

there are problems with it really, I mean if i ran a stip club called &#39;XXX Girls&#39; for men, why would i employee a bloke to do the lap dancing?

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 30 2003, 04:24 PM
there are problems with it really, I mean if i ran a stip club called &#39;XXX Girls&#39; for men, why would i employee a bloke to do the lap dancing?
LOL, well you have a point there. That is one of the best examples you can give.