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Anti-Fascist
27th November 2003, 18:03
In Amerikan death camp prison "Camp Delta" prisoners have no rights. The yankee rulers have no conscience, no respect for
human life. They are subhuman and uncivilised.

From http://www.rwor.org/a/1214/guantanamo.htm

"Most of the prisoners here have lived for 19 months in solitary confinement and sensory deprivation. Prisoners are often bound and blindfolded. Their isolation in tiny 8x6 cells is broken only by the area's banana rats and relentless interrogations.

"Prisoners are denied any news of the world and their families. Their prayer mats pointedly say "Mecca 12,793 kilometers"--to press on them that they are far from home, completely under the boot of their captors.

"Shah Mohammad, a 23-year-old-Pakistani, is one of the 40 prisoners released from Guantánamo. He described how prisoners are forced to take drugs (BBC, May 22): "They used to tell me I was mad. I was given injections at least four or five times as well as different tablets."

"Under such conditions, there have been 30 suicide attempts--including attempted hangings or cutting wrists on razor wire. ( Miami Herald , Aug. 24, 2003) Prisoners have reportedly also launched hunger strikes and other forms of resistance.

"The U.S. command says the military holds 660 prisoners here from 42 countries, speaking 17 different languages. No reporter or lawyer has spoken to any prisoners. There is no public list of names. Often their families don't know what happened to them.

"Most of these captives are prisoners of war--seized during the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. More keep coming--men fingered for unknown reasons, kidnapped off the streets, often tortured by U.S. agents and then turned over Guantánamo's interrogation camp.

"The Bush administration's $87 billion war budget is passing through Congress, and millions of that are spent expanding Camp Delta and making it permanent. Kellogg, Brown & Root, a company associated with Vice President Dick Cheney, brought in work crews from India and the Philippines to build the "maximum security" compounds surrounded by watchtowers and searchlights."

What utter lack of humanity!

Intifada
27th November 2003, 18:06
"Shah Mohammad, a 23-year-old-Pakistani, is one of the 40 prisoners released from Guantánamo. He described how prisoners are forced to take drugs (BBC, May 22): "They used to tell me I was mad. I was given injections at least four or five times as well as different tablets."

reminds me of orwell's "room 101".

what the us is doing to prisoners in guantanamo is sickening and has to be stopped! :angry:

Desert Fox
27th November 2003, 19:24
Personally I don't see anything wrong in a strict prison rule, but that should only be used for people who really deserve it : child rapers, people who trade in illegal people, ... to only mention a few.

cubist
27th November 2003, 19:40
desert fox i agree

certain things are very just, but gauntanamo is just rude and immoral

Desert Fox
28th November 2003, 15:34
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 09:40 PM
but gauntanamo is just rude and immoral
Normally I wouldn&#39;t mind that, but the fact that there are people imprisoned there that don&#39;t deserve such a punishment, makes me rather annoyed <_<

Urban Rubble
28th November 2003, 17:53
I don&#39;t care how bad they are, nobody on earth deserves not to have the right to a speedy trial, the right to due proccess, the right to see a lawyer, the right to hear from their families. I don&#39;t care if these are baby rapists, they still deserve a trial and due proccess.

Intifada
28th November 2003, 17:59
well said

Desert Fox
28th November 2003, 19:39
Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 28 2003, 07:53 PM
I don&#39;t care how bad they are, nobody on earth deserves not to have the right to a speedy trial, the right to due proccess, the right to see a lawyer, the right to hear from their families. I don&#39;t care if these are baby rapists, they still deserve a trial and due proccess.
I&#39;m sorry, but child rapers are the worst kind of people on earth. That is my opinion about them and they deserve no rights, since their victims had no rights either <_<

Urban Rubble
28th November 2003, 20:18
They have rights because they have not been convicted of anything yet. It does not matter what the crime is, before they are convicted they deserve every single right that I mentioned. What if these baby rapers (or terrorists) are innocent ? Denying them lawyers, speedy trials and things like that are wrong because until they have been convicted they are innocent.

ComradeRobertRiley
28th November 2003, 21:47
Convicted kiddie rapists should not be imprisioned, they should be executed.


Top UK judge slams Camp Delta

One of Britain&#39;s most senior judges has condemned the US over the detention of terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay.
Lord Steyn said conditions at Camp Delta were of "utter lawlessness", in a speech seen by Channel 4 News.

The Law Lord said the US was guilty of a "monstrous failure of justice" and challenged UK ministers to condemn the decision to hold any prisoners there.

He said detainees were "beyond the rule of law, beyond the protection of any courts and at the mercy of victors".
BBC News - Camp Delta (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3238624.stm)

Desert Fox
29th November 2003, 10:15
Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 28 2003, 10:18 PM
They have rights because they have not been convicted of anything yet. It does not matter what the crime is, before they are convicted they deserve every single right that I mentioned. What if these baby rapers (or terrorists) are innocent ? Denying them lawyers, speedy trials and things like that are wrong because until they have been convicted they are innocent.
I am talking bout people their guilt has already been proven by evidence and not by witnesses ;)


Convicted kiddie rapists should not be imprisioned, they should be executed.
Word

UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics
29th November 2003, 10:33
everyone should have the chance to try and clear their name though. Imagine if YOU (whoever is reading this) were locked in one, and were innocent , dont you think you would be just a tad frustrated?

Unrelenting Steve
29th November 2003, 23:17
Originally posted by Desert Fox+Nov 29 2003, 10:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Desert Fox @ Nov 29 2003, 10:15 AM)
Urban [email protected] 28 2003, 10:18 PM
They have rights because they have not been convicted of anything yet. It does not matter what the crime is, before they are convicted they deserve every single right that I mentioned. What if these baby rapers (or terrorists) are innocent ? Denying them lawyers, speedy trials and things like that are wrong because until they have been convicted they are innocent.
I am talking bout people their guilt has already been proven by evidence and not by witnesses ;)


Convicted kiddie rapists should not be imprisioned, they should be executed.
Word [/b]
Killing people........ I belive the only real moral justification for imprisoning someone is rehabilitation, and law and justice are founded on morals of some sought.... That said the death sentence should be non existant.... But killing someone is something considered a crime outside of exicution chamber&#39;s walls..... why not create a little lawless island to do it and we can ignore the moral side of it...oh wait that idea has probably been patented already.

Are you conceited enough to kill someone (something that cant be found consistant with Law and what our sociaty calls justice (in logical terms atleast)) for things you consider terrible?

The answer I think to that is yes..... But what if someone thought that you needed to die... and that you have done too much evil in your life to live....and so they were conceited enough to kill you.

I mean with all the animals you have had slaughtered for your consumption (I hope you not a vegeterian. lol)

Conceit is dangerous, Law must remain objective and hold true to its moraly correct precepts... or it is as facist as any small minded popular whim that infects a parliment ect.

You get my point?

Desert Fox
30th November 2003, 10:42
Originally posted by Unrelenting Steve+Nov 30 2003, 01:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Unrelenting Steve @ Nov 30 2003, 01:17 AM)
Originally posted by Desert [email protected] 29 2003, 10:15 AM

Urban [email protected] 28 2003, 10:18 PM
They have rights because they have not been convicted of anything yet. It does not matter what the crime is, before they are convicted they deserve every single right that I mentioned. What if these baby rapers (or terrorists) are innocent ? Denying them lawyers, speedy trials and things like that are wrong because until they have been convicted they are innocent.
I am talking bout people their guilt has already been proven by evidence and not by witnesses ;)


Convicted kiddie rapists should not be imprisioned, they should be executed.
Word
Killing people........ I belive the only real moral justification for imprisoning someone is rehabilitation, and law and justice are founded on morals of some sought.... That said the death sentence should be non existant.... But killing someone is something considered a crime outside of exicution chamber&#39;s walls..... why not create a little lawless island to do it and we can ignore the moral side of it...oh wait that idea has probably been patented already.

Are you conceited enough to kill someone (something that cant be found consistant with Law and what our sociaty calls justice (in logical terms atleast)) for things you consider terrible?

The answer I think to that is yes..... But what if someone thought that you needed to die... and that you have done too much evil in your life to live....and so they were conceited enough to kill you.

I mean with all the animals you have had slaughtered for your consumption (I hope you not a vegeterian. lol)

Conceit is dangerous, Law must remain objective and hold true to its moraly correct precepts... or it is as facist as any small minded popular whim that infects a parliment ect.

You get my point? [/b]
I do, but I am sorry but I can&#39;t just stand child rapers (I consider people under 14, children), they are just plain sick and how can you rehab people that say things like "man my wive had a new child and it looks so hot" or men that jurk off in front of toddlers <_<