Monarchy?

[NorwegianCommunist]

Do you like/dislike monarchy?
Why, why not etc?


I want other opinions on this subject =)

[NewLeft]

I think we can all agree that we hate monarchy because it's reactionary and not at all in the interests of the proletariat..

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Hate it, awful... is like saying why we would hate Fascism. It is reactionary rule by a rich family that dictates how the country is run. Usually viciously opposed to anything even remotely democratic.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Because the people do not have any say in who their leader is if it is a monarchy with political power. Even if it is only a figurehead monarchy, you still have a royal family doing nothing, living off of welfare, and still living better than almost everyone else.

[dodger]

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What was the question?:bored::bored::bored::closedeyes::closede yes::laugh:

[Prometeo liberado]

In the US we don't have a monarchy but seem to always have to finance others, and their families, in exile. The Shah of Iran, Crown council of ethiopia,Monarchy of Lao, just to name a few. So to answer your question, no.

[Ostrinski]

Monarchy is a relic of late feudal/early capitalist society.

[Bostana]

The Monarchy is a symbol of supreme being which is completely against Communist Teachings.
While it's true that the supreme being of a Communist society is the Proletariat, no one is above anyone.
The Monarchy is a symbol of class a superiority if, and I am sure if anyone here calls them selves a leftist they would hate the monarchy too.

[Comrade Samuel]

It's really simple why monarchy doesent work my american history teacher would always say "being born doesent make you a good leader" but I take that logic a step further and say "you shouldn't have wealth just because your born either". It's possibly one of the most detrimental systems know to the prolaterate and we can only hope it stays in the dust bin of history where it belongs.

[Ocean Seal]

I support the monarchy. The royals don't work, but how can we as communists ask them to get a job in this tough capitalist economy? I think that they should keep their welfare checks, but only that everyone else on welfare should get just as much as them :laugh:.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

I don't think anyone would say yes to this question. It's kind of pointless.

[Zukunftsmusik]

Hate it, awful... is like saying why we would hate Fascism. It is reactionary rule by a rich family that dictates how the country is run. Usually viciously opposed to anything even remotely democratic.

Remember that there's a difference between monarchy "in the old days" and constitutional monarchy. Not that the latter is any good, of course.

[Zukunftsmusik]

I don't think anyone would say yes to this question. It's kind of pointless.

"Anyone" as in "any (revolutionary) leftist", or "anyone" as in "anyone"? Cause there are of course people who support constitutional monarchy. Unfortunately.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Remember that there's a difference between monarchy "in the old days" and constitutional monarchy. Not that the latter is any good, of course.

I know, neither are particular good though. I tend to give very general answers in these kind of questions.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

"Anyone" as in "any (revolutionary) leftist", or "anyone" as in "anyone"? Cause there are of course people who support constitutional monarchy. Unfortunately.

I meant any revolutionary leftist.

[Veovis]

They're fun to make fun of, at least.

http://www.gatovolador.net/res/el_jueves_portada_2500euros_letizia.jpg

This is from back when the Spanish government was offering a check for every child born. Translation:

"Do you realize? If you get knocked up, this will be the closest thing to work I've done in my life!"

[NewLeft]

That's disgusting.

[Veovis]

That's disgusting.

If it makes you feel better, the €2500 per baby thing ended a couple years ago.

[Astarte]

What about "revolutionary monarchists"?

http://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/kims.jpg

[Q]

We are united in our hatred against monarchs...

... Unless we're talking about the Kim monarchy, currently in North-Korea. Some here have a soft spot on them, for some reason.

Communists are not only against monarchs in the European sense of the word, but also against presidents, premiers or any other "supreme ruler". Communists stand for the Democratic Republic, where the working class rules as a class-collectivity and as such is pretty anti-hierarchical, as compared to the bourgeois state.

[Deicide]

We are united in our hatred against monarchs...

... Unless we're talking about the Kim monarchy, currently in North-Korea. Some here have a soft spot on them, for some reason.

Communists are not only against monarchs in the European sense of the word, but also against presidents, premiers or any other "supreme ruler". Communists stand for the Democratic Republic, where the working class rules as a class-collectivity and as such is pretty anti-hierarchical, as compared to the bourgeois state.

Hey maaaaaaaan, U.S. imperialism forced the North Koreans to implement a hereditary neo-monarchy, a sickening personality cult, death camps and a police state!

[Omsk]

Hey maaaaaaaan, U.S. imperialism forced the North Koreans to implement a hereditary neo-monarchy, death camps and a police state!

A good presentation of Brezhnevite logic.

[Deicide]

A good presentation of Brezhnevite logic.

I was actually para-phrasing (well, mocking actually) a 'marxist-leninist' (perhaps his ideology is a bit more akin to Stalinism than early Lenin) on this site.

[Omsk]

I was actually para-phrasing (well, mocking actually) a 'marxist-leninist' (perhaps his ideology is a bit more akin to Stalinism than early Lenin) on this site.

Forgive me,but this persons posts might have eluded me,or to be direct,i have not read such posts.

[Kombouto]

NorwegianCommunist, what is the Monarchy in your country like?

Here it's a really stinky institution: the King was designated by Franco as his successor; the Monarchy forms part of a conservative framework which smothers the country (alongside the Catholic Church and the Corporate Class); and it's deeply corrupt, right now the King's son-in-law is charged with corruption crimes.

[MotherCossack]

ooh goody.... an opportunity to spew unadulterated venom....and noxious hatred for those whose only purpose in life is to take that which we , the common people choose to fling at them, with a stiff upper lip.
shame that they dont know that.
the monachy is an embodiment of all that i hate .
that degree of privelege, preferential treatment ,the life they lead compared to the countless lives lived in squalor all over the world, full of hunger, pain, despair, neglect and hopelessness.....
it makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!
i tell you if it was up to me........
there would be some serious redressing of the balance!!!!!!!!!!!
nothing personal.... it is the principle i object to.... mostly

[Zukunftsmusik]

NorwegianCommunist, what is the Monarchy in your country like?

It's not really that much of a big deal. They don't have any power. People almost worship them, which annoys me though. I mean, I don't have anything against them personally, but people can't divide between feelings and principle on this question.


Here it's a really stinky institution: the King was designated by Franco as his successor; the Monarchy forms part of a conservative framework which smothers the country (alongside the Catholic Church and the Corporate Class); and it's deeply corrupt, right now the King's son-in-law is charged with corruption crimes.

The situation here is nowhere near yours. The only dubious part of our royal family, is that the princess (not the crown princess) is involved in some guardian-angel-new-age-rubbish

[AdamWebster]

To be honest, you don't even need to be on the left to oppose a monarchy. Like [most] Religions, it is based upon the notion that one person is better than another person. As anyone who can understand the concept of equality, or even just have a shred of dignity about themselves, would logically have to tell you that a Monarchy is wrong, because it is a system that tells you that you are worthless, you are nothing, you don't matter. In a way, in it's teachings, it is essentially the beginnings of Capitalism. And on this board, and in politics, people speak of revolution and change to Capitalism, but how can this ever be achieved when a large amount of the world is still under an outdated system based upon lies and deceit?

God save the Queen. :blackA:

[Regicollis]

Monarchies tends to bring out the worst in people; complacent snobbery and posh cults of personality coupled with canine subservience and the suspension of critical reason.

[Deicide]

Monarchisms main premise is the ''Divine right of kings'', that is, the Monarchs rule is divinely warranted, thus you should obey, because you're a lesser creature. Until these other apes can prove ''God'' exists (which will never happen), I'm more than unwilling to accept their (supposedly) divine exceptionalism.

[Tovarisch]

Monarchy is the worst system of government imaginable. There is no reason for any leftist to support a monarch. Monarchs have never done anything in the interest of proletariats

[Leftsolidarity]

lol this thread is already about to become a tendency war over the DPRK. Nice.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

lol this thread is already about to become a tendency war over the DPRK. Nice.

You mean the Marxist-Monarchists? Nah, oh wait... maybe, we are on Rev-Left after all....

[NorwegianCommunist]

Remember that there's a difference between monarchy "in the old days" and constitutional monarchy. Not that the latter is any good, of course.

Haust; We in Norway have constitutional monarchy.
BUT do the royal family in Norway have any power in politics? They can "veto" the prime ministers policies or something, but they can't throw a party out of the government or something?

[NorwegianCommunist]

NorwegianCommunist, what is the Monarchy in your country like?

Here it's a really stinky institution: the King was designated by Franco as his successor; the Monarchy forms part of a conservative framework which smothers the country (alongside the Catholic Church and the Corporate Class); and it's deeply corrupt, right now the King's son-in-law is charged with corruption crimes.


What Haust said is correct. The type of monarchy we have is constituional moarchy, ever since 1814 (i think)

[GallowsBird]

The monarchy? Yeah they are great; the ultimate in benefits cheats! Pretty ironic that the Tories in power in the UK are having a crusade against so-called leaches on society like the disabled but always support the biggest leaches and get the populace to fund their weddings.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Nothing more than a tourist attraction, a relic of a political and social order that is dead / dying. Sometimes I think we should stip them of any function to do with the state or government but otherwise just let them be...but then I see them and read about them and I hear guillotines (sp?) falling

[l'Enfermé]

Only if I'm the monarch.

[NorwegianCommunist]

In the old days the kings and queens where dictators and could be whatever they wanted to.
But it is a lot different now. They don't have that much power so it's useless to have moarchy.That my opinion.

[MotherCossack]

ooh goody.... an opportunity to spew unadulterated venom....and noxious hatred for those whose only purpose in life is to take that which we , the common people choose to fling at them, with a stiff upper lip.
shame that they dont know that.
the monachy is an embodiment of all that i hate .
that degree of privelege, preferential treatment ,the life they lead compared to the countless lives lived in squalor all over the world, full of hunger, pain, despair, neglect and hopelessness.....
it makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!
i tell you if it was up to me........
there would be some serious redressing of the balance!!!!!!!!!!!
nothing personal.... it is the principle i object to.... mostly

hmmmm! i was evidently in a very polite mood when i penned this.... either that or i was experiencing one of those occasional bouts of paranoia fuelled reticence.
either way the fops at the top
got off lightly.
in a nutshell ..... they were born to rule!!!!!!!!
they were born with it all
not a single incy wincy tiny winy ruffle ,not a squeak..of a merest little problem..
unimaginable!!!

from there a delightful heirachy of putrid parasites cling to their birthright, nonsensical and inexcusable .... the continuing existence of such a system is proof that as a species.... [certainly in the western world,] we are highly dysfunctional, incoherent. and very probably incapable of surviving catastrophe .

spiralling down to the bottom is us.
most exist on or near the bottom.
there are loads of us and we sit there like dozy half-wits... watching.... napping.... grumbling.... inert.

the meek are clearly NOT!!!!! going to inherit the earth!!!!
unless we intervene.... the f**king queen will inherit the earth , and her cronies.

[Ostrinski]

We are united in our hatred against monarchs...If this can be considered a victory for non-sectarianism then that puts a lot of things into perspective.

[Zukunftsmusik]

Haust; We in Norway have constitutional monarchy.
BUT do the royal family in Norway have any power in politics? They can "veto" the prime ministers policies or something, but they can't throw a party out of the government or something?

On paper they can do a lot of things. They never do it though.