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Gemscopiscan
12th March 2012, 07:27
Marx descriptions of the bourgeoisie and capitalist system, were as if he could have written The Communist Manifesto yesterday. Globalization, forcing other countries to adopt capitalism, manufactured crises, all are happening today as it did then. The bourgeoisie have certainly had a long run and seem to be repeating itself. Such is the system it has built. What is heartening is the inevitability of the rise of the proletariat.

My question is, wouldn't Marx consider the various tendencies to be reactionary sects? From what I gather, he did not seem to be too enamored with reformists and inclusiveness of the bourgeoisie.

Edited: I should say that SOME tendencies appear to be geared towards reform.

daft punk
12th March 2012, 19:12
Most are, one way or another. Just a few Trots, ie my lot, arent.

Luc
12th March 2012, 19:20
Most are, one way or another. Just a few Trots, ie my lot, arent.

well done.

NewLeft
12th March 2012, 20:36
I don't know if reactionary is the correct word, but I guess it could be false consciousness. Like when competing groups boycott rallies because it's headed by an opponent, they're placing the interest of the 'party' over the proletariat. With that said, obviously the proletariat don't have one unified interest so the various sects in some ways developed out of different conditions.

Paulappaul
12th March 2012, 21:40
Most are, one way or another. Just a few Trots, ie my lot, arent.

Biggest Troll Trot I have ever seen. I suspect to see you selling some trot newspaper outside an Anarchist Book-fair.

Danielle Ni Dhighe
12th March 2012, 22:06
What is heartening is the inevitability of the rise of the proletariat.
I don't think it's inevitable. "Socialism or barbarism" are two possible paths, and the latter is what will happen if the proletariat fails to rise as a revolutionary class.

u.s.red
12th March 2012, 23:52
Marx descriptions of the bourgeoisie and capitalist system, were as if he could have written The Communist Manifesto yesterday.

I thought the same thing when I first read it.

Here is an excerpt from German, or True, Socialism, which is a perfect preview of Hitler:

"...And on its part German Socialism recognised, more and more, its own calling as the bombastic representative of the petty-bourgeois Philistine.

It proclaimed the German nation to be the model nation, and the German petty Philistine to be the typical man. To every villainous meanness of this model man, it gave a hidden, higher, Socialistic interpretation, the exact contrary of its real character. It went to the extreme length of directly opposing the “brutally destructive” tendency of Communism, and of proclaiming its supreme and impartial contempt of all class struggles. With very few exceptions, all the so-called Socialist and Communist publications that now (1847) circulate in Germany belong to the domain of this foul and enervating literature."

My emphasis.

daft punk
13th March 2012, 16:31
Some people have no sense of humour, and, one suspects, very small brains.