Che Movie (2005)

[Xuix]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374569/

Benicio Tel toro is set to play as our favorite revolutionary,
I say the film will be either really really good or a pile of cappie dog shit
Do you thin

[Bolshevika]

I think the film will definetly be pro-Che, the capitalist's love him, and even hide some facts about him, I don't really know why, if anything they blatantly lie about communists and Cuba today (but they seem to love the Cuban revolution and seem to want to make money off it). It's sickening and makes putting a Che shirt on sickening (although this is not Che's fault).

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I think the film will definetly be pro-Che, the capitalist's love him, and even hide some facts about him, I don't really know why, if anything they blatantly lie about communists and Cuba today (but they seem to love the Cuban revolution and seem to want to make money off it). It's sickening and makes putting a Che shirt on sickening (although this is not Che's fault).

I agree.All the cappies say things like che was the only good communist.If you are down with Che,you are down with his ideas.

[Dylanwiest]

I think this will be great!
i cant wait till it come out!

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Were does it say it's going to be showing? In the US or somewere else? I really hope it shows in the US. I'll get all my friends to watch it.



--Paz

[Xuix]

I am pretty sure its gonna be an american film. The director Terrence Malick is the same director as the thin red line and Badlands(badlands was actually quite good), he's an american director, so I assume the director to be american.

*edit*

An intresting fact that I found out, The director of this movie was in bolivia in the exact same time Che was killed , he was set to interview our favorite revolutionary.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

wow, thats really something interesting. makes it sound more like its more of a pro-che. and also its coming out in 2005 so thats like in 2 years. sounds like they are going to work hard on this movie which is a good thing.



--Paz

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

that sounds really interesting

i think i'll see it

better be good :ph34r: :ph34r:

[HammerAndSickle]

Did anyone read some of the crap posted about Che on that site's forum (especially Adelie-7)?:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374569/board/nest/3656395

[nezvanova]

regarding the posts on IMBD: Jeez, am I the only person who gets sick of reading the same sob stories over and over and over again? And what's with her remark: 'He wasn't even Cuban, he was Arginitnian" ???? What does that have to do with anything? Should he be condemned for fighting for another nation???

Anyway, I for one am looking forward to seeing this movie, especially considering I've got a soft spot for Del Toro :P

[Jesus Sanchez]

I don't think that a movie is such a good idea, especially if it going to be a Hollywood blockbuster (will it be one?) This will get peope liking Che because he looks cool, or is tough or something, they won't care about his ideas. If it is a Hollywood blockbuster, there is a good chance they will focus on his fighting, famous qoutes and his look. :angry:

[dirtyd6969]

if this is a good movie i cant wait to see it . that post is a bunch of bullshit.

[Maynard]

From what I know , it looks good. Real good.
The actor playing Che has also been in Traffic , Snatch and Fear and Loathing in Les Vegas, all of which I enjoyed.
It would defiantly be"Pro Che". I don't know how it can be portrayed any differently in the movie. Making Batista the hero , wouldn't really sell to a big audience. There are a lot of people interested in Che, more so than those who oppose him or his actions.
The director Terrence Malick usually is only associated with quality movies as well.


If you are down with Che,you are down with his ideas.



I don't think you necessarily have to agree with someone's ideas , to admire them. I don't agree with everyone's ideas who I admire and I wouldn't expect it to be the same with Che. John McCain a republican , one of his hero's was Emiliano Zapata !



Were does it say it's going to be showing? In the US or somewere else? I really hope it shows in the US. I'll get all my friends to watch it.

I'm guessing they will show it wherever there is a market for it. So, I would assume it would be in the USA.



I don't think that a movie is such a good idea, especially if it going to be a Hollywood blockbuster (will it be one?) This will get peope liking Che because he looks cool, or is tough or something, they won't care about his ideas. If it is a Hollywood blockbuster, there is a good chance they will focus on his fighting, famous qoutes and his look

In fact, I believe quite the contrary. I don't believe it'll be a blockbuster like the Titanic or anything like that. It will receive some promotion though but they are more likely to see his ideas/know of his actions, through a movie, then currently just looking at a T-Shirt. In fact, those who like him just for his face now may be turned off when they found out he was a communist and those who are really interested will look into him further. He may got more even more exposure but that's not necessarily a bad thing. If one person get turned onto his ideas from this and a million just like him for his face. I don't see that as a problem.


As for the posts, it's not unusual at all. I wouldn't expect anything different from an exile.

[Jesus Sanchez]

I'm not saying it will be a Hollywood movie, or that it will be an action movie. I'm just saying on the slim chance it is it would attract the wrong audience. I mean, I sure would hate a "Che" phase/trend.

But if it is made by relitivitly unknown actors(but still good) and a small crew who aren't in it for the money, but for the legacy of Guevara, it would be great.

Sorry i made my previous post a tad unclear.

[At the Drive In]

I have the sneaking suspicion that some of you hardcore Che lovers that have shirts and stuff will have something happen to really tick you off. Like some guy will see the movie and think he knows everything about Ernesto now and start bombarding you with questions to try to prove that he knows more or something. Anytime there's been something that I've loved that has been sort of a lesser known thing that has become hugely public has always turned out bad for me. Like I used to watch dragonball Z when I was in kindergarten and then about 4th grade it came back on tv and everyone got into it and it just sucked. Same thing happened with Harry Potter, and it happens to alot of bands. I just hope that the movie raises awareness and doesn't end up in everyone wearing a che t-shirt just because the movie became popular. My two cents, but on a side note if anyone was to paly it Benicio would be the best in my opinion.

[el_profe]

I thinks its going to be hollywood. With a lot of fact distorted, the usual crap that happens with movies.

[Jesus Sanchez]

Originally posted by At the Drive [email protected] 21 2003, 02:38 PM
I have the sneaking suspicion that some of you hardcore Che lovers that have shirts and stuff will have something happen to really tick you off. Like some guy will see the movie and think he knows everything about Ernesto now and start bombarding you with questions to try to prove that he knows more or something. Anytime there's been something that I've loved that has been sort of a lesser known thing that has become hugely public has always turned out bad for me. Like I used to watch dragonball Z when I was in kindergarten and then about 4th grade it came back on tv and everyone got into it and it just sucked. Same thing happened with Harry Potter, and it happens to alot of bands. I just hope that the movie raises awareness and doesn't end up in everyone wearing a che t-shirt just because the movie became popular. My two cents, but on a side note if anyone was to paly it Benicio would be the best in my opinion.
exactly my point.

[Chewillneverdie]

its just a movie jesus. Im gonna dig it, others will to. If they like it for the action? who gives a damn, there are plenty who will become interested and read stuff on him. I know about Che cus i saw a poster of him and researched

[Comrade Ceausescu]

yeah,you obviously haven't read anything worthwhile on other communists,as you denounced Stalin.

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 10:51 PM
regarding the posts on IMBD: Jeez, am I the only person who gets sick of reading the same sob stories over and over and over again? And what's with her remark: 'He wasn't even Cuban, he was Arginitnian" ???? What does that have to do with anything? Should he be condemned for fighting for another nation???

Anyway, I for one am looking forward to seeing this movie, especially considering I've got a soft spot for Del Toro :P
yup i read that too,just the same stories as castro_sucks LOL

[nezvanova]

wouldn't suprise me if it's all the same person posting... :lol:

[Chewillneverdie]

just cus i hate Stalin doesnt mean shit, i dont support mudering millions ya ass, I like Lenin and Mao(tho he never looked far into the future with a few of his plans lol). I knew about Stalin before, admired somewhat of what he did, and now i hate him. lol amazing what research can do. Bottom line, its a movie,enjoy it or not dont make such a big deal out of it. Im happy to see a movie about Che, im gonna happily see it over and over.

[Rastaman]

I think che got as close as possible to being holy. why do pople believe in jesus? because he was perfect (or as perfect as you'll ever get). He was a good man he did what was right.. People that say he wasn't want others to think they're smarter than your average human. and that bullshit aboutthat one guys grandparents beinmg victims and all that.. big deal... even if it was true he had a reason. the grandparents of that one jerk would've watched che die.. instead of giving him some food.. I mean come on..

That film sounds very interesting.. i don't think it's going to have the whole truth in it though...

[ComradeRobertRiley]

I hope the film comes out in Cyprus, if not then ill go to England to watch it

[Hate Is Art]

hopefully it will be a cinematic audio visual feast

[Rastaman]

anyone know how much money is put into the film?

[che's long lost daughter]

I think I have already said this before in another Che movie thread but I am saying it again. I can't wait for a Che movie to come out, the only movie I know where Che was portrayed is Evita and all he did there was dance and make puppy eyes with Madonna...it's such a waste. But I hope this new one would be a whole lot better without the hollywood ending of those asteroid movies where america always saves the world. Anyhow, I bet it would be a good movie with a great actor like Benicio del Toro playing Che. But I'd rather it would be directed by Woody Allen, a brilliant director often overlooked at.

[che's long lost daughter]

Sorry for posting the last post twice...my connection really sucks. Meanwhile, I am going out for a while to beat the crap out of the people behind my ISP aaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhh...hmmm, what is this post doing here

[terra]

Benicio del Torro is great for this movie but I also would like to see Johnny Depp in a role of Che. He would just fit there.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 03:46 PM
Benicio del Torro is great for this movie but I also would like to see Johnny Depp in a role of Che. He would just fit there.
That would be the greatest thing ever. He kicked ass in Pirates of the Caribbean. I never heard of the guy that is playing Che but he should do good too.




--Paz

[nezvanova]

I never heard of the guy that is playing Che but he should do good too.

:o you must&#33; He won an oscar in 2000 (as if oscars mean anything anymore... <_< ) lol anyway, if you want to see some of his work, rent his best stuff like fear and loathing in las vegas, way of the gun, the usual suspects. He&#39;s a great actor. I also agree that johnyn depp would probabyl fit the role very well too.

did anyone else hear about the motor cycle diaries movie coming out? It&#39;s got one of those kids from Y tu mama tabien in it, and it&#39;s all in spanish from what I&#39;ve read...

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

LOL, Y Tu Mama Tabien sounds funny. I remember seeing the sign at the theaters last year wondering what it was. Have you seen it because I was about to but then didn&#39;t. <_< Maybe I should have.



--Paz

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 02:46 PM
Benicio del Torro is great for this movie but I also would like to see Johnny Depp in a role of Che. He would just fit there.
Honestly, I&#39;m sick of seeing Anglo actors play Latino characters in films and tv shows. Del Toro is perfect for that role.

[Tiki Man]

I wonder if Fidel will be portrayed at all. And who will play him?

[Chewillneverdie]

Depp is an awesome actor tho&#33; watch Pirates of the Carribean that was such an amazing movie, his expressions are what makes the movie, and the way he moves around lol, i make no sense but his motions or whatever

[SonofRage]

I also loved that film and I agree that Depp is an excellent actor. However, like I said before, I&#39;m am sick and tired of seeing roles for Latino characters go to Anglo actors. Scarface, Carlito&#39;s Way, both Latino characters played by Al Pacino. Sure, he was awesome but Latinos are already so under-represented in the media it seems so wrong to say we can&#39;t even play ourselves&#33;

[canikickit]

Al Pacino&#39;s not anglo though.
Benico gets my vote too. Perhaps Johnny Depp could play his attorney?

"Do you realise who the fuck you&#39;re talking too?"

[Hate Is Art]

I think jonny depp would be great as che he is a bloody great actor and his wide variety of roles he can play are stunning. Look at Edawrd Scissorhands then Sleepy Hollow then Pirates of the Carribean.

What films has Benico been in? I recognise him name but im unsure from what.

[nezvanova]

Perhaps Johnny Depp could play his attorney?

"Do you realise who the fuck you&#39;re talking too?"

That would be awesome&#33;&#33;

As for Del toro movies, read my previous post. It has a few of del toro&#39;s movies in it. There&#39;s also traffic, the pledge (short roll, but really well played) snatch, the hunted (didn&#39;t care for that movie, but it&#39;s got del toro in it...) but my favourites are by far usual suspects, way of the gun, and fear and loathing in las vegas.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 03:46 AM
I also loved that film and I agree that Depp is an excellent actor. However, like I said before, I&#39;m am sick and tired of seeing roles for Latino characters go to Anglo actors. Scarface, Carlito&#39;s Way, both Latino characters played by Al Pacino. Sure, he was awesome but Latinos are already so under-represented in the media it seems so wrong to say we can&#39;t even play ourselves&#33;
Very, very nicely said. I agree with you 100%.



--Paz

[che's long lost daughter]

I also love "Pirates...", I would never forget that movie because some arsehole stole my wallet the day I watched it :angry: Anyhow, Johnny is a great, great actor (ageless, if I may say)..he can really play anything...from a man with scissors for a hand to a ghost pirate to well, just name it, he can play it and it wouldn&#39;t hurt if he play Che too...see his Che pendant?


By the way, he was also good in Once upon a Time in Mexico...it looked as though the movie was really about him and Antonio Banderas was just an extra..

[terra]

I also like Depp&#39;s opinion about America :

"America is dumb, it&#39;s like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive. My daughter is four, my boy is one. I&#39;d like them to see America as a toy, a broken toy. Investigate it a little, check it out, get this feeling and then get out."

"I was ecstatic they re-named French Fries as Freedom Fries. Grown men and women in positions of power in the US government showing themselves as idiots."

"France, and the whole of Europe have a great culture and an amazing history. Most important thing though is that people there know how to live&#33; In America they&#39;ve forgotten all about it. I&#39;m afraid that the American culture is a disaster."

[truthaddict11]

what exactly about Che&#39;s life is the movie about? who do you think will get the toy rights? :lol: anyways i probally wont see this movie because it will most likely turn out to be crappy and biased. I am spending the summer of 2005 seeing Indiana Jones 4 :D

[truthaddict11]

ghost pirate

PIRATE GHOSTS&#33;

Niblet&#33;

(if you know what this came from 1000 points to you)

[truthaddict11]

oh and Johhny Depp probally wont be in the movie he and Jack Black are both wanting to play Ozzy Osbourne in a movie about his life, personally i want to see JB get the role.

[nezvanova]

I read somewhere that it was going to be based on Jon Lee anderson&#39;s Biography, but then it got changed, and they said it&#39;s going to be about the Bolivian campaign.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 10:30 PM
I also like Depp&#39;s opinion about America :

"America is dumb, it&#39;s like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive. My daughter is four, my boy is one. I&#39;d like them to see America as a toy, a broken toy. Investigate it a little, check it out, get this feeling and then get out."

"I was ecstatic they re-named French Fries as Freedom Fries. Grown men and women in positions of power in the US government showing themselves as idiots."

"France, and the whole of Europe have a great culture and an amazing history. Most important thing though is that people there know how to live&#33; In America they&#39;ve forgotten all about it. I&#39;m afraid that the American culture is a disaster."
LOL good man&#33; :D

I agree with him. At least he has his head screwed on&#33; :D

[canikickit]

"I was ecstatic they re-named French Fries as Freedom Fries. Grown men and women in positions of power in the US government showing themselves as idiots."

Beautiful.

I&#39;d imagine the film will be biographical, and that Anderson&#39;s book will be one of the centrepieces of its creation.

[Zafiro]

This from a previous movie titled &#39;CHE&#33;&#39;. Was produced in 1969 and had Omar Shriff as Che Guevara.

I agree with all the comments. Personally I would like Del Toro to have the role.

[Lardlad95]

Those guys on teh messege boards for the movie are a bunch of fuckin Dicks. I mean jeez I&#39;ve never seen so many right wing conservative liars in my life.

Calling Che a bloodthirsty killer? Did they think that if George Washington found a traitor under his command he wouldn&#39;t have offed him? What a bunch of hypocrites.

[Lardlad95]

By the way, I heard about the CHe biopic this summer because it&#39;s going to go up against a Bob Marley biopic

[Hate Is Art]

I think del Toro or Depp would be great as che&#33; I recognised him name from The Usual Supspects, to be a right winger you generally have to be a good liar.

[Jesus Sanchez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 12:31 AM
This from a previous movie titled &#39;CHE&#33;&#39;. Was produced in 1969 and had Omar Shriff as Che Guevara.

I agree with all the comments. Personally I would like Del Toro to have the role.
Was the movie good? Ifso, where might I aquire it from?

[Jesus Sanchez]

Just found this pro-Che movie reveiw or what ever you would call it: http://www.geoclan.com/arts/articles/che.htm

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 04:36 PM

ghost pirate

PIRATE GHOSTS&#33;

Niblet&#33;

(if you know what this came from 1000 points to you)
The South Park Halloween episode guest starring Korn&#33;&#33;&#33;

Do I get 1000 points?

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 01:32 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374569/

Benicio Tel toro is set to play as our favorite revolutionary,
I say the film will be either really really good or a pile of cappie dog shit
Do you thin
oooooh, it&#39;s in english, finally something I&#39;d beable to watch :P

[schumi]

dont you guys have subtitles in Canada? :P

[Jesus Sanchez]

I would have thought so.

[Hate Is Art]

i think that was a joke El-Grande :D

[FistFullOfSteel]

I found this:

http://www.tanglebones.com/images/che-benicio.jpg

[Wiesty]

wow what a resemblance

[bubbrubb]

it will be crap... I say it will be like the fidel movie. Now that was a piece of crap and it glorified him too much it also had a guy who played che who looked like woman

[bubbrubb]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 09:36 PM

ghost pirate

PIRATE GHOSTS&#33;

Niblet&#33;

(if you know what this came from 1000 points to you)
SOUT PARK YAYA

[schumi]

" Robert Redford walks inside Havana&#39;s Hotel Nacional on January 26, 2004. Redford showed his new film about Ernesto &#39;Che&#39; Guevara, &#39;The Motorcycle Diaries,&#39; to the widow and children of the legendary guerrilla fighter on January 25 and met briefly with Cuban President Fidel Castro (news - web sites) on January 26. The film, directed by Brazilian (news - web sites) Walter Salles, is based on the diaries Guevara wrote on a bike trip through South America in 1952 when he was a 23-year old medical student. Photo by Claudia Daut/Reuters "

I read this on i-net...which film is this and is it out to dvd or something? I would really like to see it...

[Zafiro]

Confirmed Benicio will play Che&#33;


NEWS

The long anticipated Che Guevara biopic is finally confirmed&#33; Benicio
will star in the film to be directed by Terrence Malick (The Thin Red
Line, Badlands). Shooting begins in July and Javier Bardem (Before
Night Falls) is slated to co-star. [Front Man]

Read more here:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/variety/20040219/va_ne_al/malick_in__che__revolution_1



For more details on the above news/updates, visit the LATEST section at http://beniciodeltoro.com.
:che:

[SittingBull47]

*groans* This might be a highly commercialized pile of capitalist crap....It better not be liked by right-wingers and it better be controversial. Hopefully lefties will love it.

[praxis1966]

I doubt it will. If you have ever seen any of Mallick&#39;s other work, especially Thin Red Line, you will notice that he takes great pains not to make value judgements about his subject matter. Not to mention that he sees the visual aspects as paramount to all the other elements of the movie, so you won&#39;t hear a bunch of meaningless filler dialogue or unecessary music. What you will see is a visually stunning documentary style picture.

[Ragnarok]

I hope it is good, otherwise it will make him look less appealing ^^

[Individual]

:blink: :blink:

Really... Mr:


Why Bash Bush? ... he is a great man&#33;

I do not think the goal is for him to be appealing.

[Efkan]

I would like to know which soundtrack a che film would have.
Maybe his own speeches would be on the soundtrack.
:huh:

[Hey!CHe]

Come on.. Hollywood dollars cannot make a Good Che Film... What they do is just before filming they do a little research or depend how the elections goes they change the script for what the mainstream wants.. You don&#39;t really think Mel Gibson made the Passion of Christ for his own &#39;rescue&#39; ? Money &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Yankee Dollars will be Yankee dollars...

Che is alive and they will never allow that this is heard everywhere....

Eddy
www.heyche.com

[Wiesty]

Alright Benicio Del Toro may look like a scrubby bum in that pic. But last night i saw him on the oscars where he was nominated for best supporting actor. Damn,, He looked just like che (facially) same eyes same skin color same little gotee and im not sure if head had the beard yet. But damn now i see the resembelance

[Kurai Tsuki]

Naomi Klein talks about moments like this in her book, No Logo; I believe this is the point when a cult is commercialized and made mainstream and any strong political significance it may have had will be removed. The great revolutionary Che Guevara will suffer the same fate as Malcom X when Spike Lee made a movie about him, or when rap music became commercialized and marketed to the masses. It benefits America’s bureaucrats much more to assimilate movements rather than fight them.

[nezvanova]

no logos is a great book. I made the librarian at school photocopy the Revolution soda so i could show my mom.

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 02:37 PM
" Robert Redford walks inside Havana&#39;s Hotel Nacional on January 26, 2004. Redford showed his new film about Ernesto &#39;Che&#39; Guevara, &#39;The Motorcycle Diaries,&#39; to the widow and children of the legendary guerrilla fighter on January 25 and met briefly with Cuban President Fidel Castro (news - web sites) on January 26. The film, directed by Brazilian (news - web sites) Walter Salles, is based on the diaries Guevara wrote on a bike trip through South America in 1952 when he was a 23-year old medical student. Photo by Claudia Daut/Reuters "

I read this on i-net...which film is this and is it out to dvd or something? I would really like to see it...
diarios de moticleta is the only one i know of

[Neelie The Great]

OOo, Can&#39;t wait until it comes out. I now its gonna be excellent. :D

[Dani]

Hi

I saw last saturday "The Motorcycle Diares", it&#39;s really a good movie, i hope that you have a opportunity to see it and enjoy like i did.

[pandora]

I think Benecio will be good because he has talked about his reasons for doing the role as to him Che was a symbol for Puerto Ricans as freedom.

He also talked about his own repression, by the church, being beaten by his father for wanting freedom, etc. so I think he has reasons for doing the role that will make him a good Che.

But Hollywood being what it is, the best cuts will end up on the floor, a real film about Che would take three sessions like Lord of the Rings, and involve filming in many countries, following his journals.

I don&#39;t expect that, so it will probably be disappointing, but will educate a lot of the young by it&#39;s feeling.

I really liked Toro&#39;s last work 21 grams in that he took a character, a drug addicted felon who hits a father and child in his car, and made hime a real person who was redeemable, who was trying, by the end of the movie we don&#39;t hate him, we hate the wife as blaming him for problems she herself is facing.

This is important social action in that it stops the blaming game in the world and makes people think about real people and their challenges, so well see a very human Che

[fuerzasocialista]

I hope this movie will do Che some justice...

[h&s]

I think this movie will be good, but I can&#39;t help thinking how wrong it would be to make money out of Che pointing out injustices from over 50 years ago, that are still there today.
All money made from the film should be donated to a charity as it sickens me to see money-grabbing capitalists making money out of Che.

[refuse_resist]

As long as they don&#39;t distort facts about him, then it should be great. It&#39;s nice to finally see a movie coming out about a revolutionary instead of all these other ones about the roman empire and all that other stuff.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I think Christopher Walken should do the role of Che.

[emmissary]

That would be awesome&#33;&#33;

[nezvanova]

i say we make a stand by sneaking into the movie&#33; beat the system&#33;

[h&s]

He he he&#33; That would fuck uo the capitalists if we did that&#33;

Anyway, how will it be advertised?
I can&#39;t really imagine Hollywood allowing trailers of the film to openly denounce capitalism in one of the most capitalist industries&#33;

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 21 2004, 04:26 AM
He he he&#33; That would fuck uo the capitalists if we did that&#33;
yeah you and the thousands of people who sneak into movies every single day are really fucking up capitalism :lol:

[h&s]

I&#39;m not saying that, but if every non-capitalist who went to see the che movie didn&#39;t pay, the profits would be well down on what they would be.

[truthaddict11]

no they wouldnt, millions of other people still pay to see movies, by the way i predict this movie will bomb. There is no big interest in Che Guevara outside of leftist circles.

[canikickit]

Sure there is, truthaddict. Lots of people love Rage Against the Machine&#39;s lead singer.

But anyway, they don&#39;t really need a big interest. All they need is a big budget and fancy trailers which show explosions. Throw in a good looking woman to play the love interest and get one of those usual schmoes to do a voice over about "one man&#39;s triumph against insurmountable odds".

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 10:35 AM
Sure there is, truthaddict. Lots of people love Rage Against the Machine&#39;s lead singer.

But anyway, they don&#39;t really need a big interest. All they need is a big budget and fancy trailers which show explosions. Throw in a good looking woman to play the love interest and get one of those usual schmoes to do a voice over about "one man&#39;s triumph against insurmountable odds".
:lol: well sir you have described almost every action flick

[Nas]

you know what???? i think the capitalist who made this movie and Hollywood understimate Che and Socialism.
They are probably so focus on making money that they dont know what they are dealing with. They will probably use not only Che but the idea of Socialism to advertise the movie

on the other hand, i could be wrong .

maybe the ones who will make this movie , dont understimate Che and maybe the ones who made this movie know the impact this movie will have (you know like "Malcom X")

:D it would be funny that after seeing the movie a lot of people all of a sudden become politically conscious

[scrap metal]

I wonder if we could get roles as extras playing his guerilla warriors in the Congo and Bolivia ^_^

[Ziggy]

the movie should be good, Steven Soderbergh is an excellent director and i dont think he will underestimate the power this movie could have. He has directed some very powerful movies: Traffic, Sex Lies and Videotape and has produced excellent movies as well: pleasantville, confessions of a dangerous mind. I will be surprised if Soderbergh makes the movie distort facts- either condeming Che or overglorifing him.

[truthaddict11]

hope you like waiting, rumors are floating the film has been pushed back another year&#33; :lol:

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 03:50 AM
I think Christopher Walken should do the role of Che.
LOL......hes great. He should do everybody. " WOW&#33;"

[Raisa]

Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 21 2004, 01:36 PM
I&#39;m not saying that, but if every non-capitalist who went to see the che movie didn&#39;t pay, the profits would be well down on what they would be.
Maybe if they really think this is gonna happen theyll have it roped of...like they had the Passion all roped off and guarded. :lol:

[Raisa]

For real though, Im looking forward to seeing this movie, I just hope they dont whore it out hollywood style, and get all into petty details like Ché&#39;s sex life, or his ass instead of the revolution. Which I tend to have the suspicion they might. :huh:

[Anarchist Freedom]

im pissed there making this movie because it means more punk ***** kids wearing che shirts and not knowing who the fuck he is and thinking there all cool until i say hey are you a commie to? they so fuck no then i say oh then why do you wear the shirt ? because che is cool why do you ask? oh because che is one of the major communists of our time. bullshit ill prove to you che isnt a commie&#33;. really how? i can gaurentee he was a marxist. i just dont want kids to go around wearing che shirts and then thinking they know all about him when they dont know jack.



:che:



CGLM&#33; (http://www.cglm.net)

[Orange Juche]

I wear a Che shirt, and Im a democratic socialist, not a Marxist-Leninist. Like someone else said in this thread, you dont have to completely agree with someone to admire them. I highly admire Che&#39;s struggle for justice.

About the movie: Im hoping it will be a good one. I doubt that they will feature him as a "bad guy.." I get the feeling that they are going to simply make a historically accurate film about a man popular among the far left. I hope Im right, and it doesn&#39;t turn into some glamorous falsehood for capitalist profit-making.

[herr_Nosferatu]

Originally posted by Jesus [email protected] 4 2003, 05:05 AM
I don&#39;t think that a movie is such a good idea, especially if it going to be a Hollywood blockbuster (will it be one?) This will get peope liking Che because he looks cool, or is tough or something, they won&#39;t care about his ideas. If it is a Hollywood blockbuster, there is a good chance they will focus on his fighting, famous qoutes and his look. :angry:
This is a reply to your fears that the film is a sham, amigo Jesus Sanchez.

I felt of the same fears and I still am worried this picture will denounce Che Guevara as a mere terrorist. But I came up with at least one redeeming thought to it all...

As I see it, it may be a hollow and erroneous film, and granted, it would be sad, because the idea is fascinating...

Just like the 2000 motion picture Eisenstein, depicting the life of Sergei M. Eisenstein (a prominant figure in cinema history and a theorist of the Russian Montage school), the film is very entertaining, but has very little factual elements relating to the man and his ideas, other than the names of the films made and that the main character is a director...

But, in the same light as the film Eisenstein, CHE at least it gives a chance for younger generations kept blinded by an incessant wave of neo-liberal capitalist rhetorics and thoughts to discover a man who fought against these retarded and inhumane concepts which claim that privatisation of society is appropriate to the world...

It gives the new generations of the future, in the U.S., the opportunity to become curious on other views. If they see the film claiming Che was a terrorist, perhaps they will be compelled to research his life and legacy, and see that he was a noble person with humanistic values.

These optimistic thoughts reassure me into hoping for a better world and looking forward to this film...

[cormacobear]

I&#39;ll just download the movie the day after it comes out. Let&#39;s face it this will be one of the most downloaded movies of all time.

[Guerrilla22]

It would be ridiculous for a Che movie to come out that was done in Spanish and by a Latin American director. I&#39;m sure the film will be good, but it seems pretty much wrong that a Che movie is going to be put out by some giant US film studio and that people will be linning up to pay &#036;7.50 a piece to get in to it.

[Rex_20XD6]

I don’t think that the Che movie will come out in any stores of movie theater because most people think as Che as some horrible evil communist (Applies only in America)

[Rex_20XD6]

I will be disappointed if the Che movie fails or is not represented well.

[Floyd.]

Traffic was really good, I think Steven Soderbergh and Benicio Del Toro work really well together. It may not be written well, but I believe it will probably be acted and produced well and whatnot.

[Latin American Socialist]

But once the movie comes out everybody will be wearing Che shirts, Che would be as popular as lord of the rings. Posers everywhere&#33;

[CubanFox]

Not necessarily. If it&#39;s limited release, it won&#39;t receive that level of exposure, and thus won&#39;t be open to the poser demographic.

[volkan]

I have mixed feelings about it. first. Steven Soderbergh has made movies that kicked some holy doors, so in that perspective this could be an very interesting movie.
On the other hand, I don&#39;t believe there are hollywood movies without incorrect facts.

We&#39;ll just have to wait and see ;)

[All My Stitches Itch]

Worst thing it could do: Make more money out of Che (happens anyway with tshirts etc)

Best thing it could do: make a whole new generation of people interested in Che and give them some idea that communsim isnt as evil as its made out to be.

Hasta La Victoria Siempre.

:D

[-[ Amigo ]-]

Hi,
I think this film will be a popular film, not only for us, for many people.Otherwise the company would lost money.
anyway i&#39;m going to watch this film.

In case this was a nonsense posting, please don&#39;t punish me :P, I just wanted to test my signature.

cya

[RJRevolution]

I&#39;m curious to see it. I think if it&#39;s done well, it could be awesome.

[Kookoman]

The only way to inform the masses seems to be through entertainment. Sad. I am still looking forward to this movie.

[sim22]

hey, i heard in Australia it&#39;s coming out November 18th. does any aussies know what company is releasing it?? would hoyts, reading or village release something like that??? i sooooooooooooo hope so&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

[RedOctober]

Mein Auto ist Grün und das Blatt ist rosafarben, aber Sie sehen mich nicht, wie eine nasse Nudel herum zu springen&#33;

HAHA&#33;......*ahem...sorry bout that, couldnt help myself.

[seen_che]

But once the movie comes out everybody will be wearing Che shirts, Che would be as popular as lord of the rings. Posers everywhere&#33;
I Hate lor of the rings :wacko:

But i like CHE..I hope it will be good...they R re printing the book becus of the film witch is a good thing. :P

[che's long lost daughter]

Would there be any possibility that the movie come out in Asia?

[herr_Nosferatu]

If the film is made, specially if it does happen to be made by Soderbergh, the possibility of it being widely released throughout the world does sound realistic....

That&#39;s unless you live in a muslim country where its harder to catch international film.........

Cheers

[che's long lost daughter]

Thanks for the info. I really wish it&#39;d be shown here. I&#39;d give anything to see that movie.

[DRS]

hmm, seems that Che&#39;s whole life is being turned into one big capitalist market, funny

the one thing he fought against is now using him to make money

[che_lives31]

The Che movie will be amazing if it doesn&#39;t become a fad, if everyone starts wearing the t-shirts thinking its cool the spirit of che will be lost. They&#39;ll be using his face for media and they won&#39;t know his life, and all the things that make him a hero to millions of people all over the world. Im looking forward to seeing it but i really hope it doesnt turn into a big thing. People dont realize the real man and hero that this man was :angry:

[seen_che]

hmm, seems that Che&#39;s whole life is being turned into one big capitalist market, funny

the one thing he fought against is now using him to make money
Isent it ironic? :mellow:

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

There&#39;s no fucking way the gringo&#39;s are gonna make a movie half as brilliant as The Motorcycle Diaries . (1)The movie will be in English, (2)it will most likely portray Castro and the outcome of the Cuban revolution as shit, (3) the director isn&#39;t Brazilian =D, (4) Benicio del Torro isn&#39;t half the actor that Gael Bernal is, and (5) this movie will be purely a capitalist endeavor for money.

[seen_che]

:P Fuck....fuck...fuck

But you gotta say I ghope the Che vision will effect people

[Casanova]

Like most other movies that are about people we admire. Its probully gonna hide some of the major facts about him.

[redtrigger]

I recntly went to the movies and saw a trailer for this film. It looks to be quite interesting.

[FlyTheFlag]

I&#39;ve noticed that many people on this forum have been opposed to the the movie as it may portray Che wrongfully. I, myself feel that the movie will premote him in a possitve manner. It will most likely get people more interested in Che and read up on him. It&#39;s sort of the like Che T-shirt issue. I can see that many forum members are opposed to that idea as well. I probably wouldn&#39;t have been interested in Che if I didn&#39;t see his picture on T-Shirts. In my opinion they are a possitive way to premote Che and intrest people in reading more about him.

[ScottishChe]

I think this is gonna be a great film. The Motorcycle Diaries was great but this is the film i really wanna see. Great choice to play Che, looks quite a bit like him.

[ScottishChe]

I think this is gonna be a great film. The Motorcycle Diaries was great but this is the film i really wanna see. Great choice to play Che, looks quite a bit like him.

[ScottishChe]

I think this is gonna be a great film. The Motorcycle Diaries was great but this is the film i really wanna see. Great choice to play Che, looks quite a bit like him.

[Floyd.]

Below is a review for Motorcycle Diaries from Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/_/id/6150534?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=double1) in the second last paragraph it tells us what the Steven Soderbergh &#39;Che&#39; film will be like.


Before he was executed by a Bolivian firing squad in 1967, Argentina&#39;s Ernesto Che Guevara had become (at the side of Fidel Castro) an icon of guerrilla warfare, a killer in a beret who celebrated hatred as the key to revolution. That image of Che (a name he acquired later in life) has been co-opted by everyone from rockers to ad whores. But you won&#39;t find him in The Motorcycle Diaries, a mesmerizing look at an asthmatic, rich-boy medical student in the act of discovering his insurgent spirit.
The impetus for this enlightenment is a 1952 motorcycle trip that Ernesto (Gael Garc&#39;a Bernal), then 23, took with his biochemist pal Alberto Granado (Rodrigo de la Serna), 29. Jose Rivera based his script on the diaries both men kept of their eight-month trip through South America (from the snows of the Andes to the heat of the Amazon. Cheers to Walter Salles, the Brazilian director of 1998&#39;s Central Station, for keeping the focus intimate and thrillingly immediate.

A good part of the film&#39;s power is the way it sneaks up on you. The boys are sniffing out adventure, not an odyssey that will change their lives. Ernesto has been living large in Buenos Aires. He stops off at a resort for a fast hookup with his girl (Mia Maestro). The tart-chasing Alberto just wants to get laid. Neither man is a paragon of Easy Rider cool. For starters, they&#39;re riding Alberto&#39;s junk bike, a 1939 Norton 500 he calls the Mighty One. Salles gets terrific comic mileage out of the bike, especially when it breaks down and forces the guys to hitchhike or journey on foot.

It&#39;s the slowing of the trip that gives Ernesto and Alberto a chance to observe the starving workers and the politically oppressed they encounter in Chile, Peru and Venezuela. Whenever possible, Salles shot in the actual locations, letting us see what the protagonists saw, including the remnants of the Incan culture in Machu Picchu.

Most moving of all is the visit to the San Pablo leper colony in the Amazon. Ernesto feels an instant connection with the lepers. It galls him that the patients and the hospital staff live on opposite sides of the river. His night swim (gasping for breath with each stroke) to join the lepers is the film&#39;s true climax.

Salles has already taken heat from critics who think the compassionate Ernesto doesn&#39;t jibe with the executioner he became when he and Castro took down the Batista regime in Cuba in 1959. That Che will be the subject of a planned Steven Soderbergh film, starring Benicio Del Toro. But look closer at the scenes Salles seems to catch on the fly, such as Ernesto throwing a stone at a mining truck carrying men to exploitative labor, and you see how quickly romantic ideals can harden into brutal ideology.

The actors meet the film&#39;s challenges every step of the way. De la Serna finds the humor and the messy humanity in Alberto, who joined Ernesto in Cuba and makes an appearance, at age eighty-two, in the film&#39;s coda. The Mexican Bernal, far from the erotic romp of Y Tu Mama Tambien, gives a breakthrough performance, playing Ernesto like a gathering storm. In his published diaries, Che wrote, "I&#39;ll leave you now, with myself, the man I used to be." In this wild ride of a movie that is part epic poem and part political provocation, it&#39;s that man who holds the screen as a portent of history.


PETER TRAVERS
(Posted Sep 16, 2004)

Sorry to break the bad news.

[Floyd.]

Below is a review for Motorcycle Diaries from Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/_/id/6150534?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=double1) in the second last paragraph it tells us what the Steven Soderbergh &#39;Che&#39; film will be like.


Before he was executed by a Bolivian firing squad in 1967, Argentina&#39;s Ernesto Che Guevara had become (at the side of Fidel Castro) an icon of guerrilla warfare, a killer in a beret who celebrated hatred as the key to revolution. That image of Che (a name he acquired later in life) has been co-opted by everyone from rockers to ad whores. But you won&#39;t find him in The Motorcycle Diaries, a mesmerizing look at an asthmatic, rich-boy medical student in the act of discovering his insurgent spirit.
The impetus for this enlightenment is a 1952 motorcycle trip that Ernesto (Gael Garc&#39;a Bernal), then 23, took with his biochemist pal Alberto Granado (Rodrigo de la Serna), 29. Jose Rivera based his script on the diaries both men kept of their eight-month trip through South America (from the snows of the Andes to the heat of the Amazon. Cheers to Walter Salles, the Brazilian director of 1998&#39;s Central Station, for keeping the focus intimate and thrillingly immediate.

A good part of the film&#39;s power is the way it sneaks up on you. The boys are sniffing out adventure, not an odyssey that will change their lives. Ernesto has been living large in Buenos Aires. He stops off at a resort for a fast hookup with his girl (Mia Maestro). The tart-chasing Alberto just wants to get laid. Neither man is a paragon of Easy Rider cool. For starters, they&#39;re riding Alberto&#39;s junk bike, a 1939 Norton 500 he calls the Mighty One. Salles gets terrific comic mileage out of the bike, especially when it breaks down and forces the guys to hitchhike or journey on foot.

It&#39;s the slowing of the trip that gives Ernesto and Alberto a chance to observe the starving workers and the politically oppressed they encounter in Chile, Peru and Venezuela. Whenever possible, Salles shot in the actual locations, letting us see what the protagonists saw, including the remnants of the Incan culture in Machu Picchu.

Most moving of all is the visit to the San Pablo leper colony in the Amazon. Ernesto feels an instant connection with the lepers. It galls him that the patients and the hospital staff live on opposite sides of the river. His night swim (gasping for breath with each stroke) to join the lepers is the film&#39;s true climax.

Salles has already taken heat from critics who think the compassionate Ernesto doesn&#39;t jibe with the executioner he became when he and Castro took down the Batista regime in Cuba in 1959. That Che will be the subject of a planned Steven Soderbergh film, starring Benicio Del Toro. But look closer at the scenes Salles seems to catch on the fly, such as Ernesto throwing a stone at a mining truck carrying men to exploitative labor, and you see how quickly romantic ideals can harden into brutal ideology.

The actors meet the film&#39;s challenges every step of the way. De la Serna finds the humor and the messy humanity in Alberto, who joined Ernesto in Cuba and makes an appearance, at age eighty-two, in the film&#39;s coda. The Mexican Bernal, far from the erotic romp of Y Tu Mama Tambien, gives a breakthrough performance, playing Ernesto like a gathering storm. In his published diaries, Che wrote, "I&#39;ll leave you now, with myself, the man I used to be." In this wild ride of a movie that is part epic poem and part political provocation, it&#39;s that man who holds the screen as a portent of history.


PETER TRAVERS
(Posted Sep 16, 2004)

Sorry to break the bad news.

[Floyd.]

Below is a review for Motorcycle Diaries from Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/_/id/6150534?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=double1) in the second last paragraph it tells us what the Steven Soderbergh &#39;Che&#39; film will be like.


Before he was executed by a Bolivian firing squad in 1967, Argentina&#39;s Ernesto Che Guevara had become (at the side of Fidel Castro) an icon of guerrilla warfare, a killer in a beret who celebrated hatred as the key to revolution. That image of Che (a name he acquired later in life) has been co-opted by everyone from rockers to ad whores. But you won&#39;t find him in The Motorcycle Diaries, a mesmerizing look at an asthmatic, rich-boy medical student in the act of discovering his insurgent spirit.
The impetus for this enlightenment is a 1952 motorcycle trip that Ernesto (Gael Garc&#39;a Bernal), then 23, took with his biochemist pal Alberto Granado (Rodrigo de la Serna), 29. Jose Rivera based his script on the diaries both men kept of their eight-month trip through South America (from the snows of the Andes to the heat of the Amazon. Cheers to Walter Salles, the Brazilian director of 1998&#39;s Central Station, for keeping the focus intimate and thrillingly immediate.

A good part of the film&#39;s power is the way it sneaks up on you. The boys are sniffing out adventure, not an odyssey that will change their lives. Ernesto has been living large in Buenos Aires. He stops off at a resort for a fast hookup with his girl (Mia Maestro). The tart-chasing Alberto just wants to get laid. Neither man is a paragon of Easy Rider cool. For starters, they&#39;re riding Alberto&#39;s junk bike, a 1939 Norton 500 he calls the Mighty One. Salles gets terrific comic mileage out of the bike, especially when it breaks down and forces the guys to hitchhike or journey on foot.

It&#39;s the slowing of the trip that gives Ernesto and Alberto a chance to observe the starving workers and the politically oppressed they encounter in Chile, Peru and Venezuela. Whenever possible, Salles shot in the actual locations, letting us see what the protagonists saw, including the remnants of the Incan culture in Machu Picchu.

Most moving of all is the visit to the San Pablo leper colony in the Amazon. Ernesto feels an instant connection with the lepers. It galls him that the patients and the hospital staff live on opposite sides of the river. His night swim (gasping for breath with each stroke) to join the lepers is the film&#39;s true climax.

Salles has already taken heat from critics who think the compassionate Ernesto doesn&#39;t jibe with the executioner he became when he and Castro took down the Batista regime in Cuba in 1959. That Che will be the subject of a planned Steven Soderbergh film, starring Benicio Del Toro. But look closer at the scenes Salles seems to catch on the fly, such as Ernesto throwing a stone at a mining truck carrying men to exploitative labor, and you see how quickly romantic ideals can harden into brutal ideology.

The actors meet the film&#39;s challenges every step of the way. De la Serna finds the humor and the messy humanity in Alberto, who joined Ernesto in Cuba and makes an appearance, at age eighty-two, in the film&#39;s coda. The Mexican Bernal, far from the erotic romp of Y Tu Mama Tambien, gives a breakthrough performance, playing Ernesto like a gathering storm. In his published diaries, Che wrote, "I&#39;ll leave you now, with myself, the man I used to be." In this wild ride of a movie that is part epic poem and part political provocation, it&#39;s that man who holds the screen as a portent of history.


PETER TRAVERS
(Posted Sep 16, 2004)

Sorry to break the bad news.

[Freedom Writer]

In Benicio we trust, I think hes perfect man to the role of Che. And some rumours say that hes one the "hollywood lefties" or something like that.

[Freedom Writer]

In Benicio we trust, I think hes perfect man to the role of Che. And some rumours say that hes one the "hollywood lefties" or something like that.

[Freedom Writer]

In Benicio we trust, I think hes perfect man to the role of Che. And some rumours say that hes one the "hollywood lefties" or something like that.

[Sabocat]

an icon of guerrilla warfare, a killer in a beret who celebrated hatred as the key to revolution

WTF?

Rolling Stone is such liberal pablum trash.

[Sabocat]

an icon of guerrilla warfare, a killer in a beret who celebrated hatred as the key to revolution

WTF?

Rolling Stone is such liberal pablum trash.

[Sabocat]

an icon of guerrilla warfare, a killer in a beret who celebrated hatred as the key to revolution

WTF?

Rolling Stone is such liberal pablum trash.

[Orange Juche]

Celebrated hatred as the key to revolution? What shit&#33; This is an actual che quote:

"At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality."
- Ernesto Che Guevara

[Orange Juche]

Celebrated hatred as the key to revolution? What shit&#33; This is an actual che quote:

"At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality."
- Ernesto Che Guevara

[Orange Juche]

Celebrated hatred as the key to revolution? What shit&#33; This is an actual che quote:

"At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality."
- Ernesto Che Guevara

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Clearly the ass-hole who wrote that shit saw that Che was a communist who killed capitalist bastards like himself and automatically jotted down, obviously with no evidence, that Che was a hateful fella. What a fucking tool.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Clearly the ass-hole who wrote that shit saw that Che was a communist who killed capitalist bastards like himself and automatically jotted down, obviously with no evidence, that Che was a hateful fella. What a fucking tool.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Clearly the ass-hole who wrote that shit saw that Che was a communist who killed capitalist bastards like himself and automatically jotted down, obviously with no evidence, that Che was a hateful fella. What a fucking tool.

[SonofRage]

In fairness, Guevara also said:

“Hatred is an element of struggle —relentless hatred of the enemy— that impels us over; and beyond the natural limitations of man transforms us into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines. Our soldiers must be thus; people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy.”


That is probably what they were talking about

[Freedom Writer]

In war hate can be a great allie, but these cappies dont even know what war really is.. Neither do I. For one thing its like ~90% of all those that seen war go against it. And we must remember that these "negative" feelings are part of human nature - evolution (and they aint sins).