What is the best way to leak disinformation?

[ellipsis]

I am wonder what folks think the best way to leak disinformation to law enforcement about an upcoming action?

[marl]

That's a really sketchy question. I imagine if someone that wasn't a moderator asked that, they'd be banned or so. I'd try mailing the station, or something.

[ellipsis]

i don't think so, asking advice on legal things is generally allowed.

[ВАЛТЕР]

On the day of the action send in a bunch of fake phone calls regarding other crimes in different parts of the city. Preferably in areas with an otherwise lower crime rate (ie: wealthier parts of the city), since this will come as a shock. Basically, make the cops have to be somewhere else. You know, All war is based on deception and whatnot.

[marl]

What if they're people that actually need help, but the cops just sent people to the fake crime? I dunno.

[ellipsis]

im thinking twitter and facebook would be a good place to post random disinfo and hope it gets trolled up by somebody.

[pastradamus]

That's a really sketchy question. I imagine if someone that wasn't a moderator asked that, they'd be banned or so. I'd try mailing the station, or something.

No they wouldn't. Its on the level and perfectly legal.

[NewLeft]

im thinking twitter and facebook would be a good place to post random disinfo and hope it gets trolled up by somebody.
This for sure.. They are always looking up groups.

[pastradamus]

To answer the question.

I generally wouldn't advise disinforming people as A) It gives your group a bad image with the public...some people might actually turn up and expect something and B) The cops are going to be extra tough on your group thereafter.

So what if a bunch of cops turn up at a rally or meeting etc....let them turn up. What are they going to do to you as long as its just a meeting or protest.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

My first thought was a pre-paid drop phone

[Ostrinski]

Wouldn't the twitter/facebook method actually attract people to the false location or whatnot? How would you go about disinforming only the police and not people as well?

[Leftsolidarity]

In here it talks about what happened here a little bit ago

http://www.revleft.com/vb/milwaukee-police-officer-t168893/index.html?t=168893

[ellipsis]

Wouldn't the twitter/facebook method actually attract people to the false location or whatnot? How would you go about disinforming only the police and not people as well?

i was thinking of putting out vague info that would lead to a specific dummy location if investigated.

[Ele'ill]

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[Tim Cornelis]

To answer the question.

I generally wouldn't advise disinforming people as A) It gives your group a bad image with the public...some people might actually turn up and expect something and B) The cops are going to be extra tough on your group thereafter.

So what if a bunch of cops turn up at a rally or meeting etc....let them turn up. What are they going to do to you as long as its just a meeting or protest.

You could poke some fun at the police in a manner that does not harm anyone else. There was an anarchist organisation in the 1960s in the Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provo_(movement)) which spread the rumour that they put LSD in the drinking water of the horses used security of the queen prior to a parade. They also subtly hinted towards an acquainted cop that they would be carrying weed on them while they didn't:


"One day a whole group of us went by bus to Belgium," says Grootveld. "Of course I had informed my friend Houweling [police officer] that some elements might take some pot along. At the border, the cops and customs were waiting for us. Followed by the press, we were taken away for a thorough search. The poor cops . . . all they could find was dogfood and some legal herbs. 'Marijuana is dogfood,' joked the papers the next day. After that, the cops decided to refrain from hassling us in the future, afraid of more blunders."

(regarding the LSD, wikipedia states something different)


The White Rumour Plan was put into action, as part of which wild rumours were spread in Amsterdam, including that the Provos were preparing to dump LSD in the city water supply. These rumours led the authorities to request 25,000 troops to help guard the parade route.

Anyway, I guess if you want to spread disinformation just spread rumours I suppose.

[ellipsis]

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Why?

also, best way to start rumors?

[Red Rabbit]

Pro-tip: Make sure you're using a proxy IP or connected to a VPN when talking about this kind of stuff on the internet.

[Ostrinski]

I guess you could do false leaflets.

[The Douche]

Any disinformation put out through twitter is gonna have negative consequences as well, because people are gonna pick it up and follow through. So if you say "the march meets at Malcolm X square" there are gonna be people showing up there, in addition to the cops.

Also, well-intentioned activists are going to tweet about the inaccuracy of your disinformation.

I wouldn't suggest calling to cops to report crimes that aren't actually happening, thats filing a false report, and is a crime. But if diversionary attacks carried about by small groups managed to thin police presence, then the goal would still be accomplished, no?

[gorillafuck]

really the only way is to say false stuff to eachother about actions.

[Ele'ill]

Why?



I wouldn't suggest calling to cops to report crimes that aren't actually happening, thats filing a false report, and is a crime.

Just this and any interaction with police can come back to haunt you later.

[ellipsis]

OK. I think I'm cool but thanks.

[ellipsis]

Apparently, spamming the shit out of twitter does the trick.

[o well this is ok I guess]

Just this and any interaction with police can come back to haunt you later. I think those who were suggesting such were suggesting doing it from a more anonymous location (ie. from a payphone or public phone, rather than your own cellphone).

[ellipsis]

Just so its clear, I was never considering calling the police, making a false statement or anything like that. I was talking about how/where to disseminate information so that the state's intel apparatus would at least pick up on it as potentially valid.

[Ocean Seal]

What if they're people that actually need help, but the cops just sent people to the fake crime? I dunno.
The vast majority of what the cops do is not exactly helping people.