Communism/socialism is brainwashing?

[NorwegianCommunist]

"Communism and socialism is brainwashing"
This is something I have heard at my school recently.

When a country is socialist or partly communist, then there are not as much rascism to minorities and black people as there would be if a country is capitalist.

Someone says that the state tells you what to think, but I have always said to myself that it's better to be anti-rascist, then to be a rascist.
It is always right wing people telling me this, so they are probably xenophobic or something.

But can I get some opinions on this? Some help or insight? =D

[Ostrinski]

Don't bother with responding to those idiots.

[Dire Helix]

Tell them that they have been conditioned to think that way of socialism and that it`s not really their opinion.

[GoddessCleoLover]

So-called "brainwashing" is part of every society, certainly capitalist society attempts to inculcate bourgeois values to maintain its cultural hegemony. The "brainwashing" strategy wasn't even successful in the bad old day of the Soviet Union as clandestine dissenting opinions circulated verbally and via samizdat publications. In this day and age of the internet such a strategy is even more likely to fail. In the PRC the regime strongly appeals to patriotism or nationalism to build support from the populace. Nothing new there.

[Caj]

"Communism and socialism is brainwashing"

That doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't even know how to respond to such an idiotic statement.


When a country is socialist or partly communist, then there are not as much rascism to minorities and black people as there would be if a country is capitalist.

A country can't be socialist or communist. I know what you mean though, and it is probably true that racism will decline after the implementation of socialism.


Someone says that the state tells you what to think, but I have always said to myself that it's better to be anti-rascist, then to be a rascist.
It is always right wing people telling me this, so they are probably xenophobic or something.

The state is an organ of class rule. It is incompatible with socialism.

[NorwegianCommunist]

Tell them that they have been conditioned to think that way of socialism and that it`s not really their opinion.

Norway is more of a socialist country, so by saying that I would say that a socialist government tells them to hate on socialism. It becomes wrong, but I wil say that when someone calls communism brainwashing! =)

[Caj]

Norway is more of a socialist country, so by saying that I would say that a socialist government tells them to hate on socialism. It becomes wrong, but I wil say that when someone calls communism brainwashing! =)

But Norway is not socialist.

[thriller]

Any state will attempt to brainwash their populace in order to control them. As many others have said communism isn't operational in a state with boarders since that would be a barrier to class cohesion. However in response to 'socialist' states like the USSR, Cuba, Eastern Bloc, etc, there were attempts to get the populace to support the regimes, but same thing here in the US. Saying the pledge of allegiance every morning at public school could be considered brainwashing. Hell there are people who have been tricked into thinking racism is dead and gone in the US because of Obamas election to the presidency. And the fact that my history teacher keeps saying Stalin was worse than Hitler shows how he was brainwashed in the Cold War era.

[NorwegianCommunist]

But Norway is not socialist.

I know it's not compleatly socialist, but I also wrote that its more of a socialist country.
It is still capitalist, but unless you live here you should not say too much about how people in Norway think.

[Caj]

I know it's not compleatly socialist, but I also wrote that its more of a socialist country.
It is still capitalist, but unless you live here you should not say too much about how people in Norway think.

Something can't be "more" socialist; it's not something expressed in degrees. It also has nothing to do with how people "think." It has to do with class relations to the means of production.

[NorwegianCommunist]

Something can't be "more" socialist; it's not something expressed in degrees. It also has nothing to do with how people "think." It has to do with class relations to the means of production.

Doesn't free healthcare and education have anything to do with socialism?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Doesn't free healthcare and education have anything to do with socialism?

Depends on what kind of "free" healthcare it is and what operations and procedures are covered under the plan. There is "Universal" healthcare here in the U.S (or will be in a number of years) but that doesn't mean it is socialist in any way, shape, or form. Same for education.

Also remember: social-democracy isn't socialism.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"Communism and socialism is brainwashing"

Socialism,like capitalism, is a political ideology; if these moron wants to get into specifics I would say the Western Capitalist regimes have been far better at "brainwashing" than any socialist one given the level of ignorance about socialism.


When a country is socialist or partly communist, then there are not as much rascism to minorities and black people as there would be if a country is capitalist.

There is no such as being "partly" communist: one is either capitalist or socialist, there is no "middle ground."

As for the lesser levels of racism: depends on where you are talking about at what time. Socialism is progressive but historically so-called leftist have done less than marvelous things in regards to race.


Someone says that the state tells you what to think, but I have always said to myself that it's better to be anti-rascist, then to be a rascist.
It is always right wing people telling me this, so they are probably xenophobic or something.

Right wingers will tell you any bold faced lie if it helps them distort your forming idea of what socialism is. Ignore them and read Marx, Lenin, etc

[NorwegianCommunist]

Depends on what kind of "free" healthcare it is and what operations and procedures are covered under the plan. There is "Universal" healthcare here in the U.S (or will be in a number of years) but that doesn't mean it is socialist in any way, shape, or form. Same for education.

Also remember: social-democracy isn't socialism.

I mean that if you need surgery, breake your arm or need to sow on a new finger, then it doesn't cost any money.
I saw a documentary of USA and a guy lost the tip of 2 fingers and he had to pay 12,000$ for the first and 60,000$ for the others.
That is fucked up and does so that regular people need to take up loans of big amounts.
the documentary is called "Sicko" I think.


I know that social-democratic isn't socialism. I also wrote a little ferther up in the thread that people think of Norway of a socialist country.
I can't controll what people think, and if you ask anybody what kind of country Norway is, they probably would have answared socialist.
It is several parties in the Norwegian government and some of them are socialist.

[NewLeft]

Free healthcare/education..etc are defended by leftists because they're reforms that help the proletariat, rather than being socialist..

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Free healthcare/education..etc are defended by leftists because they're reforms that help the proletariat, rather than being socialist..

^This.

Such plans are incorporated into socialism because in order for communism to function one must have all areas of life be socialized.

[NorwegianCommunist]

aaaah, thanks NewLeft.

[NorwegianCommunist]

^This.

Such plans are incorporated into socialism because in order for communism to function one must have all areas of life be socialized.

By socialized; Do you mean free like in free for everybody? :p

[TheGodlessUtopian]

By socialized; Do you mean free like in free for everybody? :p

Yes and no. Free for everybody but based on a gift economy where everyone puts in work to better society and keep things running; in exchange for working, people are given everything they need to keep healthy and well (education, housing, healthcare, etc).

[NorwegianCommunist]

Yes and no. Free for everybody but based on a gift economy where everyone puts in work to better society and keep things running; in exchange for working, people are given everything they need to keep healthy and well (education, housing, healthcare, etc).

Good, that's what I was thinkin' =)

[rednordman]

I Blame Siv Jensen. Fucking B****!:cursing: