National Socialism

[safeduck]

I have a few questions about national socialism.

1) How can it claim to be against left wing politics, yet be socialist?
2) Is private property still used?
3) How does a national socialist economy work/function?
4) How does the means of production operate in a national socialist system?
5) Is national socialism just a form of state capitalism?
6) Are there any other contradictions in the system apart from the left wing bit?
7) Is a national socialist system collectivist?


Thanks.

[Igor]

I have a few questions about national socialism.

1) How can it claim to be against left wing politics, yet be socialist?

Because socialism was pretty huge among working class Germans back in 1920's, it was a good prestige term to get votes out of the lower classes. It doesn't actually have anything to do with socialism.


2) Is private property still used?

Very much so. Unless, of course, you're a Jew or a homosexual or a communist or a... well, you get the point, I guess.


3) How does a national socialist economy work/function?
4) How does the means of production operate in a national socialist system?
5) Is national socialism just a form of state capitalism?

National socialism is capitalist, all the way. National socialism has nothing to do with anti-capitalism, national socialist government can't really be separated from the big business under national socialism.


6) Are there any other contradictions in the system apart from the left wing bit?

National socialist propaganda and the way it's represented to your average voter is certainly nothing but a contradiction. It doesn't benefit the working class, considering it is about systematical and violent exploitation. But for the upper classes, those who actually benefit from the system, it's a very logical and functioning system with little contradictions.


7) Is a national socialist system collectivist?

Uhm, I guess it kind of is. It certainly isn't individualist, with all the shit about serving your Nation and how its interest always before your interests.

[Blake's Baby]

1 - it isn't socialist;
2 - yes there is private property;
3 - it's capitalism with a strong state sector;
4 - as capitalist property;
5 - yes it's another form of state capitalism, one where there is actually little 'nationalisation';
6 - it's capitalism, there are always contradictions, but 'national socialism' is a particulalry irrational form of capitalism;
7 - depends what you mean by 'collectivist'; as to me that refers to Bakunin's brand of anarchism, no it's not 'collectivist' but your understanding of 'collectivism' may be different to mine.

[Red Noob]

To start off, watch this.

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If you pause at 7:41, there is a banner that says "Der Marxismus muß sterben damit die Nation wieder auferstehe"

Which in English translates to: Maxism must die so that the nation can rise again.

I can claim to be an ice cream truck, but if all I have in my truck is rocks and boulders, am I really an ice cream truck?


1) How can it claim to be against left wing politics, yet be socialist?
It borrows some left-wing policies.

2) Is private property still used?
Yes.

3) How does a national socialist economy work/function?
it's just blending the private and state bourgeoisie in some collective efforts.

4) How does the means of production operate in a national socialist system?
Mostly state-owned, some privately owned. Depends. From my understanding, the idea isn't about creating a system with a functioning economy that benefits all and minimizes exploitation, it's more like trying to prop op the people of one state or race, collectively, to oppress and exploit the people of another state or nationality. But using the state and free-enterprise as a tool to do so.

5) Is national socialism just a form of state capitalism?
Sort of, but just on steroids, and normally mixed with some occult and racism.

6) Are there any other contradictions in the system apart from the left wing bit?
Yes.

7) Is a national socialist system collectivist?
No.

[Igor]

Double posts I can understand but quadruple? Man, hardcore, man.

[daft punk]

Hitler wrote a letter to industrialists in 1927 saying it was all bullshit:

"Emil Kirdorf (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERkirdorf.htm), a very wealthy industrialist met Hitler in 1927. Although Kirdorf agreed with most of Hitler's views he was concerned about some of the policies of the Nazi Party (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERnazi.htm). He was particularly worried about the opinions of some people in the party such as Gregor Strasser (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERstrasser.htm) who talked about the need to redistribute wealth in Germany.
Hitler tried to reassure Kirdorf that these policies were just an attempt to gain the support of the working-class in Germany and would not be implemented once he gained power. Kirdorf suggested that Hitler should write a pamphlet for private distribution amongst Germany's leading industrialists that clearly expressed his views on economic policy.
Hitler agreed and The Road to Resurgence was published in the summer of 1927. In the pamphlet distributed by Kirdorf to Germany's leading industrialists, Hitler tried to reassure his readers that he was a supporter of private enterprise and was opposed to any real transformation of Germany's economic and social structure."


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERhitler.htm

[revhiphop]

To start off, watch this.

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If you pause at 7:41, there is a banner that says "Der Marxismus muß sterben damit die Nation wieder auferstehe"

Wait, what? lol. Dude that was way too many posts..

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Here are a couple links...

http://www.revleft.com/vb/national-socialism-iiiii-t141196/index.html

http://www.revleft.com/vb/national-socialism-t38966/index.html

[#FF0000]

1) How can it claim to be against left wing politics, yet be socialist?

They use 'socialism' in a different way but don't, uh, really explain it. Hitler said that 'their' socialism respected private property, and in practice, the german economy was basically a keynesian war economy. So, yeah.


2) Is private property still used?
3) How does a national socialist economy work/function?
Private property existed, though nazism doesn't really have an economic theory. Hitler didn't really care about those things. Like I said, though, the German economy was basically like every other economy in the word.


4) How does the means of production operate in a national socialist system?
Privately owned with the government getting real buddy-buddy with folks in certain industries so they produce what the state wants. Some industries, I believe, were also nationalized but I'm not sure.


5) Is national socialism just a form of state capitalism?
Not even state capitalism, really. It's just regular old capitalism.


6) Are there any other contradictions in the system apart from the left wing bit? Not really sure what you're asking


7) Is a national socialist system collectivist?
Everyone else is saying no here but I'd say 'yes' in the sense that it is a nationalist system and thus sort of focuses on the interdependence of people.

[Prometeo liberado]

I was always of the opinion that as far as ownership of the means of production, National Socialism, because of its racial beliefs, concentrated capital in even fewer hands. Excluding all other "inferior" races from the right to exploit others.

[Blake's Baby]

If it redistributed property from Jews to Germans though (as an example) it would be the same property and perhaps pretty much the same number of capitalists. So there might not be any particular concentrations of capital due to their policies.

[Prometeo liberado]

If it redistributed property from Jews to Germans though (as an example) it would be the same property and perhaps pretty much the same number of capitalists. So there might not be any particular concentrations of capital due to their policies.

A National Socialist regime does not simply replace Jew owner with German owner on a person by person basis per se. Also one class did not replace another. The new regime narrowed the criteria by which ownership or control of the means of production could be held. No longer could it be Catholic, Jew, Marxist, Homosexual, Mormon or Roma. Along with being a Nazi in good standing, often ones bloodline needed to be proven pure. This limited and indeed shrank the pool of likely "new owners" in the new Germany. The ruling political class was never intent on "replacing" or redistributing confiscated wealth so long as they could amass fortune for themselves. But for either propaganda purposes or reward, small holdings,capital and/or real property were dispersed using the aforementioned criteria, but on a miniscule basis.

[Brosip Tito]

I have a few questions about national socialism.Awesome, learning is good.


1) How can it claim to be against left wing politics, yet be socialist?It was NOT socialist.


2) Is private property still used?Yes. "Our adopted term ‘Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not." - Hitler


3) How does a national socialist economy work/function?The same way capitalism works. Private ownership of the Means of production, and production for profit not need.


4) How does the means of production operate in a national socialist system? Private for the most part, with some state and joint ownership.


5) Is national socialism just a form of state capitalism? Not necessarily.


6) Are there any other contradictions in the system apart from the left wing bit? In the system? All sorts of contradictions in the capitalist system. In the National Socialist rhetoric? yes.


7) Is a national socialist system collectivist?No.



Thanks.You're welcome.