Israeli Airstrikes hit Gaza; death toll 11 thus far.

[Susurrus]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/03/201239235251961119.html

[Fennec]

And Netanyahu threatens (http://rt.com/news/netanyahu-threat-iran-strike-231/) unilateral strike against Iran in months.

[Red Rabbit]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Fuck Israel.

[Ostrinski]

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[∞]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Fuck Israel.


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Some real constructive dialog going on here.

[Ostrinski]

What's to say? It's the same bullshit that's happened over and over and over.

Is there any information on why the Palestinians hit Isreal? Like if it was coordinated by a certain group etc.

[Sasha]

What's to say? It's the same bullshit that's happened over and over and over.

Is there any information on why the Palestinians hit Isreal? Like if it was coordinated by a certain group etc.

Israëli drones took out a leader of the popular resistance commitees (a hamas aligned group)and his seccond in command, the man was released from Israeli prison a few weeks ago in the big swap for shaleed i believe. Israel claims they where about to execute a big terror attack but it was more probably a message to both the Israeli public and released militants that the released militants should not take up arms again or face execution.
Also they try to drive a wedge between hamas and the more reluctant groups in the ceasefire like the prc and Islamic jihad. Whether that means the Israelis have decided that they will start negotiating with hamas or the opposite I don't know yet.

[ABMarx]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Fuck Israel.

Basically; this is an every day occurrence almost.. :(

[Sir Comradical]

Hamas really needs to step up their drone defence.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16489-truckmounted-laser-shoots-down-spy-drone.html

[ChrisK]

Do you expect anything less? This is simply a continuation of Israeli oppression against Palestinians. Of course. American media will find a way to make this into a "Well Palestine deserved it" sort of thing.

[RedZero]

Latest Israeli airstrike in Gaza brings death toll to 17 - http://www.ksbw.com/news/Officials-Latest-Israeli-airstrike-in-Gaza-bring-death-toll-to-17/-/1852/9274980/-/anbpr9/-/

[Yehuda Stern]

This shows the value of cutting deals with the Zionists. (Not that I'm saying that it was wrong to have the prisoner exchange; but it should've been clear that this can't be the way to liberation.)

[Yefim Zverev]

17 people killed in Palestine by airstrike. That news takes only a small corner in a newspaper..

17 people would have been killed by airstrike in New York somehow by airstrike by Palestina air forces. US air forces would kill 1.700.000 palestinians in return. By the way the event would be talked about 170 years everywhere and 170.000 books would be written in the name of killed New Yorkers. And 170.000.000 $ dollars would be won on interesting stories about killed New Yorkers by authors and publishers.

[RedZero]

Seeing reports on Twitter that an IDF soldier has been found dead. If true, I hope things don't escalate further..

edit: I haven't seen anything else since an hour or so ago...I assume it was a rumor. No idea, but I only saw a few tweets reporting it and then nothing since.

[RedZero]

25 people, all of the same family, have been wounded in new air strikes. A three-story build has also been hit according to reports, maybe connected? via @MaathMusleh (twitter)

[RedZero]

"a spokesperson in Kamal Adwan Hospital described the injuries of the 25 members of Hammad family as medium, mostly women and children"
picture of some of the children injured: https://p.twimg.com/Anv9gvsCIAA3xfN.jpg

[RedZero]

25 family members injured as Israeli air strike hits their home - http://gazatvnews.com/2012/03/breaking-news-25-family-members-injured-as-israeli-air-strike-hits-their-home/

25 members of the Hammad family have been injured in the past hour after an Israeli missile hit their home. 17 of the injured are women and children.

Everyone was asleep when their house was hit.

The house which belong to Hammad family has engulfed in flames.

The Palestinian Red Crescent headquarters in Jabalia in northern Gaza sustained severe damage in the attack.

The injured have been brought to the Kamal Awad hospital amid panic scenes.

Other explosions have been reported in Khan Younis, and 2 civilians have been injured in an attack in Shejaeyah east of Gaza.

[RedZero]

Death toll now at 25 as Israeli strikes kill 2: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-strike-kills-two-militants-in-gaza-as-rockets-continue-to-hit-southern-israel-1.418052

[blake 3:17]

From the article above:


The IAF struck 44 sites since the escalation began on Friday, out of which, 18 were high-trajectory missiles and 15 were weapons-manufacturing and storage facilities.

They've created a situation where no possibility of distinguishing between military and civilian exists. They refuse international law for the sake of immunity. Disgusting.

[RedZero]

Egyptian diplomats in talks to bring about a ceasefire by Tuesday morning - http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-gaza-ceasefire-within-48-hours-says-egypt-s-pa-envoy-1.418038

[RedZero]

Al Arabiya earlier reported a truce between the factions in Gaza and Israel, but they've retracted the news report since.

(https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=imD&pwst=1&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=gWheT-qUKerb0QHWlP2-Dw&ved=0CCMQvwUoAQ&q=Al+Arabiya&spell=1)

[Brosa Luxemburg]

It's funny how easily these types of situations could be stopped. UN Resolution 242, or also known as the "International Consensus" because of it's widespread support barring the U.S. and Israel, would stop situations like this. If the U.S. pressured it, Israel would comply with the international consensus. This would mean Israel going back to it's pre-1967 borders and letting the Palestinian population have their own independent state outside of Israeli domination.

I don't want to hear the old arguement that "the Palestinians are a fake people." Israel is the only country who seems to be able to defend their entire colonialist policy on race!

[RedZero]

Here's ynet citing al-Arabiya, but I'm not sure if they kept that report up or not. They reported it, took down the report, but now I'm not sure..

Report: Israel, Palestinian groups agree on ceasefire - http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4202021,00.html


Israel and terror groups in the Gaza Strip have reached a ceasefire agreement, al-Arabiya network reported Monday night.

According to the report, the agreement was facilitated by Egypt and finalized without preconditions.

[Yehuda Stern]

Anti-Capitalist: I'm afraid you're a but naive on that point. Israel has no problem bombing, violating the borders of and massacring the citizens of sovereign states. It has done so on numerous occasions in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria (most recently). The two-state solution will just allow Israel to box the Palestinians in all the better, and now they'll also be able to justify their attacks as acts of war rather than acts of maintaining their occupation.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Anti-Capitalist: I'm afraid you're a but naive on that point. Israel has no problem bombing, violating the borders of and massacring the citizens of sovereign states. It has done so on numerous occasions in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria (most recently). The two-state solution will just allow Israel to box the Palestinians in all the better, and now they'll also be able to justify their attacks as acts of war rather than acts of maintaining their occupation.
They are only able to do such things because of U.S. backing with huge amounts of military aid, foreign aid, unwavering diplomatic support, military protection, etc. If the U.S. told Israel to support the 2 state option (that Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO have all supported) and the option the international community supports Israel would immediately do so. They would not want to lose our backing. I am not naive on this subject, I know Israel invaded Egypt on the wim of Western nations. I know they invaded Lebanon in 1978 and in the 1980's. I also know they are basically an American client state and the only reason they have influence in the U.S. is because they help push along American imperialism in the region. If the U.S. pressured them to conform to the international consensus and respect it they would. The two-state solution would not box the Palestinians in. Most Palestinians support the two-state solution and as long as there is U.S. pressure on Israel not to mess with the Palestinian areas (such as the Golan Heights, Gaza, and West Bank) then Israel would. The key is U.S. pressure on Israel. That is the key.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Why do you think that? If Israel goes back to it's pre-1967 borders the international community would be happy, the Palestinians would be happy, Hamas would be happy, Hezbollah would be happy, etc. I don't understand the whole idea that a two state solution is not viable at the present. That doesn't make sense. If a two-state option is wrong, then what do you support blake 3:17 and Yehuda Stern?

[RedZero]

A rocket was just fired into Israel (Eshkol Regional Council), per @IDFSpokesperson on Twitter. Wondering if it was just a lone rocket or if things will continue to escalate...so much for the ceasefire.

[Yehuda Stern]

Anti-Capitalist: Palestinians (wouldn't be too sure that it's most of them) support the two-state solutions because the resistance is defeated and desparate. It is a disservice to them to act upon this when offering a solution to the question of Palestine. As long as Israel exists, the imperialists will continue to support it and its aggression against the Palestinians. That is the entire reason for the state's existence.

A two-state solution would leave the question of the refugees unsolved and would allow Israel to keep most of the land it has stolen from the Palestinians. It will normalize and reinvigorate Zionist oppression. The only right solution is one that includes giving back all land to the Palestinian people, while allowing Jews who are willing to accept that to live as equals in the new Palestinian state. The only way that this can be done is by the working class, in a Palestinian workers' state.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Anti-Capitalist: Palestinians (wouldn't be too sure that it's most of them) support the two-state solutions because the resistance is defeated and desparate. It is a disservice to them to act upon this when offering a solution to the question of Palestine. As long as Israel exists, the imperialists will continue to support it and its aggression against the Palestinians. That is the entire reason for the state's existence.

A two-state solution would leave the question of the refugees unsolved and would allow Israel to keep most of the land it has stolen from the Palestinians. It will normalize and reinvigorate Zionist oppression. The only right solution is one that includes giving back all land to the Palestinian people, while allowing Jews who are willing to accept that to live as equals in the new Palestinian state. The only way that this can be done is by the working class, in a Palestinian workers' state.
Okay. While I don't agree with you, I do see where you are coming from and your ideas are logical.
BTW polls by different institutions, especially ones that aren't connected with Israel or the U.S. show that the majority of Palestinians support a 2 state solution. So I can be sure it is, if not most, a lot that support the 2 state option in which Israel goes back to it's pre-1967 borders and returns the Golan Heights, Gaza Strip, etc.