Let's all get a moment of silence for Biggy

[Drowzy_Shooter]

We still miss ya man!

[#FF0000]

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[Ostrinski]

Probably the most chauvinistic of characteristically-non sexist east coast hip hop, though he was talented. Ready to Die is a classic. RIP.

[Invader Zim]

Words fail to describe how little of a shit I give about the fate of a wealth obsessed misogynist.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Perhaps it is because I am in my mid 50s, but I only have a vague notion of who Biggie Smalls was.

[~Spectre]

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[~Spectre]

Words fail to describe how little of a shit I give about the fate of a wealth obsessed misogynist.

He was a product of circumstance. Much of that recorded as a young kid. As his music progressed, he became very self aware of what he had become, and how he despised it.

[Dr Doom]

Words fail to describe how little of a shit I give about the fate of a wealth obsessed misogynist.

yawn.

hah, slicker than ur average....

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[bricolage]

I remember there used to be a video on youtube of biggies funeral where the streets are packed and someone puts on hypnotise and the whole place goes nuts, but it's been taken off now. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and where I can watch it?

[~Spectre]

I remember there used to be a video on youtube of biggies funeral where the streets are packed and someone puts on hypnotise and the whole place goes nuts, but it's been taken off now. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and where I can watch it?

They spliced some of that footage into the ending of the movie they did about him:

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Last part of the clip.

[~Spectre]

Also, it seems like such a different standard that rap is held to. When someone like Orwell, writes in a book how one of his characters wants a girl to blow him, and then to slit her throat while he climaxes - we don't assume these are the personal views advocated by Orwell.

Likewise, hip hop is art, and sometimes rappers tell darker stories about the characters of inner city life.

[Dr Doom]

I remember there used to be a video on youtube of biggies funeral where the streets are packed and someone puts on hypnotise and the whole place goes nuts, but it's been taken off now. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and where I can watch it?

yea man i remember seeing it in that louis theroux documentary 'biggie and tupac'. anyway here it is.

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[ed miliband]

Words fail to describe how little of a shit I give about the fate of a wealth obsessed misogynist.

lol get back to listening to wevolutionary misogynists like immortal technique or whatever the fuck it is

best biggie cut:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdciOXroU9o

[manic expression]

RIP BIG

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[Delenda Carthago]

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If the game shakes me or breaks me
I hope it makes me a better man
Take a better stand
Put money in my moms hand
Get my daughter this college plan, so she don't need no man
Stay far from timid
Only make moves when ya heart's in it
And live the phrase Sky's The Limit


This brings a smile on my face every godamn time!

[Invader Zim]

lol get back to listening to wevolutionary misogynists like immortal technique or whatever the fuck it is

best biggie cut:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdciOXroU9o

I don't listen to that homophobic prick either.

[bcbm]

well aren't you special.

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[Os Cangaceiros]

I've posted this before in another notorious BIG thread I think, but it's my favorite thing that he did:

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[bricolage]

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[l'Enfermé]

Rap is a pretty poor form of music.

Yes, someone had to say it.

[gorillafuck]

Words fail to describe how little of a shit I give about the fate of a wealth obsessed misogynist.wealth obsessed? are you kidding me?

his mom had to work two jobs since he was a toddler! and you're gonna criticize him for caring about wealth?

[Ostrinski]

Rap is a pretty poor form of music.

Yes, someone had to say it.You're a pretty poor form of a human being.

[Ele'ill]

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[Delenda Carthago]

wealth obsessed? are you kidding me?

his mom had to work two jobs since he was a toddler! and you're gonna criticize him for caring about wealth?
Its really easy to look down on money when you know that every time you need them, you got them. And then critise like a true anti-revolutionary elitist people who dont have them for wanting them. How you gonna make the working class change the world when you look down on them, this I dont get.

[gorillafuck]

well to be fair biggie smalls was not an average working class guy, but point well made.

[ed miliband]

yo one thing tho - when biggie says he just ate sardines for dinner in that one song somehow i don't believe him

love him for life tho

he sounds awesome chopped and screwed

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first ever mix i did featured this

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Biggie Smalls? The first time I ever heard of him was from that South Park episode where butters said his name three times into the mirror.

[#FF0000]

Rap is a pretty poor form of music.

Yes, someone had to say it.

anyone who says that a genre in general is bad is more often than not, wrong.

there are exceptions. rap is not one of them.

[gorillafuck]

anyone who says that a genre in general is bad is more often than not, wrong.

there are exceptions. rap is not one of them.nintendocore is great music just give it a chance!

[Invader Zim]

Its really easy to look down on money when you know that every time you need them, you got them. And then critise like a true anti-revolutionary elitist people who dont have them for wanting them. How you gonna make the working class change the world when you look down on them, this I dont get.


Except, of course, that I don't have any money. And these multi-millionaire rappers most certainly do, as they insist on repeatedly pointing out throughout their highly public lives. These people are not, by any coherant definition 'working class', they may have started life in the working classes, but they are not working class. You might as well call 50 Cent and his $100,000,000, or however much it is, working class. You evidently are bereft of even the most basic faculty for socio-political analysis.

Furthermore, your prolier-than-thou claptrap (a statement of abject ignorance by the way) betrays a fundermental fear of addressing the salient issue, which is that you defend the most outspoken peddlers of the most base reactionary sentiment within modern society because of their allegedly, and plainly non-existent, working class credencials. Moreover that is, in itself, highly dismissive of workers because it assumes that because of their background they are incapable of the most basic social conscience, which is, of course the bread-and-butter sentiment of the rightwing socio-economic elite.


his mom had to work two jobs since he was a toddler! and you're gonna criticize him for caring about wealth?

I have three part time jobs, I used to have four. What is your point? That being deprived material wealth grants you licence to be a shallow, vacuous, wealth obsessed and irredeemably misogynistic both in terms of lyrics and actions?

[#FF0000]

i personally only listen to musicians who share my worldview to the t

[ed miliband]

Except, of course, that I don't have any money. And these multi-millionaire rappers most certainly do, as they insist on repeatedly pointing out throughout their highly public lives. These people are not, by any coherant definition 'working class', they may have started life in the working classes, but they are not working class. You might as well call 50 Cent and his $100,000,000, or however much it is, working class. You evidently are bereft of even the most basic faculty for socio-political analysis.

Furthermore, your prolier-than-thou claptrap (a statement of abject ignorance by the way) betrays a fundermental fear of addressing the salient issue, which is that you defend the most outspoken peddlers of the most base reactionary sentiment within modern society because of their allegedly, and plainly non-existent, working class credencials. Moreover that is, in itself, highly dismissive of workers because it assumes that because of their background they are incapable of the most basic social conscience, which is, of course the bread-and-butter sentiment of the rightwing socio-economic elite.



I have three part time jobs, I used to have four. What is your point? That being deprived material wealth grants you licence to be a shallow, vacuous, wealth obsessed and irredeemably misogynistic both in terms of lyrics and actions?

if only biggie was still alive to sit on you son

[La Comédie Noire]

Biggies Smalls was a great story teller and all his songs had a narrative quality to them. While he wasn't as hood in real life as in his raps, I still consider him a great artist.

He did excel academically in English and it shows in his songs which are all like short stories.

[Fawkes]

I love Biggie's skills as a rapper, I hate his sexism and admiration of gangster and mafioso lifestyles. Why is that distinction so difficult for the "not revolutionary enough" crowd to grasp?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Except, of course, that I don't have any money. And these multi-millionaire rappers most certainly do, as they insist on repeatedly pointing out throughout their highly public lives. These people are not, by any coherant definition 'working class', they may have started life in the working classes, but they are not working class.

i thought we were talking about biggie. why do you feel the need to use this thread about a great musician who was tragically killed and never given justice to dump on a whole genre? what is the matter with you?

[Anarcho-Brocialist]

I liked Biggie Smalls, but compared to 2pac [don't get pissed], 2pac brought about the social injustices, and possessed the rebel attitude that got the oppressed to stand up for themselves, to love themselves, and bring into the light of the problem that resonated in his demographics communities. Biggie brought out realities too, but was more in the 'shake your ass in the club' music.

[El Oso Rojo]

i thought we were talking about biggie. why do you feel the need to use this thread about a great musician who was tragically killed and never given justice to dump on a whole genre? what is the matter with you?


I do not think he was dumping on rap, he was just dumping what they rap about and of course the later. Also there are a lot of people tragically killed and never give justice. Which baffles me about why there is a double standard of attention.

[El Oso Rojo]

Except, of course, that I don't have any money. And these multi-millionaire rappers most certainly do, as they insist on repeatedly pointing out throughout their highly public lives. These people are not, by any coherant definition 'working class', they may have started life in the working classes, but they are not working class. You might as well call 50 Cent and his $100,000,000, or however much it is, working class. You evidently are bereft of even the most basic faculty for socio-political analysis.

Furthermore, your prolier-than-thou claptrap (a statement of abject ignorance by the way) betrays a fundermental fear of addressing the salient issue, which is that you defend the most outspoken peddlers of the most base reactionary sentiment within modern society because of their allegedly, and plainly non-existent, working class credencials. Moreover that is, in itself, highly dismissive of workers because it assumes that because of their background they are incapable of the most basic social conscience, which is, of course the bread-and-butter sentiment of the rightwing socio-economic elite.



I have three part time jobs, I used to have four. What is your point? That being deprived material wealth grants you licence to be a shallow, vacuous, wealth obsessed and irredeemably misogynistic both in terms of lyrics and actions?

He realized it was wrong later, that way he made that one song" more money more problems"

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Still my favorite.

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Also, it is possible to like Biggie and not agree with every little thing the fucker said and appreciate his rapping/music abilities, wtf, come on.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I do not think he was dumping on rap, he was just dumping what they rap about and of course the later. Also there are a lot of people tragically killed and never give justice. Which baffles me about why there is a double standard of attention.

theyre public figures.
anyway
if he had something to say about biggie's lyrics that's cool. i just dont understand the need to bring all of "them rappers" into this. people who make it their duty to loudly condemn all rap because of the content of certain sexist gangsta rap lyrics are the worst people in the world. literally.

[L.A.P.]

Words fail to describe how little of a shit I give about the fate of a wealth obsessed misogynist.

Words fail to describe how stupid of a mind set this is, I thought I was done dealing with conservatives so I don't have to hear this bullshit. People who thanked that are idiots too.

[El Oso Rojo]

Words fail to describe how stupid of a mind set this is, I thought I was done dealing with conservatives so I don't have to hear this bullshit. People who thanked that are idiots too.

What is stupid is the double standard attention, people get shot and killed in cars at the club all the time and those people don't get attention. He being a tab bit bitter? yes. But it the truth he was a wealth obbesive person, who called the people who birth kids like him "*****es".

I mean the guy is not Victor Jara, and just because he was working class, doesn't mean he should be so atttentive to. But what zim forgot was he realized it later on in his life, that shit was stupid, too bad he didn't realized it sooner.

[El Oso Rojo]

theyre public figures.
anyway
if he had something to say about biggie's lyrics that's cool. i just dont understand the need to bring all of "them rappers" into this. people who make it their duty to loudly condemn all rap because of the content of certain sexist gangsta rap lyrics are the worst people in the world. literally.

The person who is the real life version of precious's father and her mother are the worst people in the world, the person who pimp her/his kids are the person in the world worst, some fucking twat here in my city who frought at one of our local community college in south county, with her fucking toddler in her arm is the WORST person in the world.

A person who stating a reasonable opinion, is not. He was very specific about which rappers and which type of rap. He doesn't favor. so, he was not condeming it as a whole. I share his opinion but i have to say latter on in his life he saw his error, that where people need to give biggy some creds. Plus zim should of put it in a way where it didn't seem he was condeming rap as a whole.

[Invader Zim]

Words fail to describe how stupid of a mind set this is, I thought I was done dealing with conservatives so I don't have to hear this bullshit. People who thanked that are idiots too.


What disliking the most shallow, vacuous and reactionary mindset is 'conservative'? Do you even understand what conservatism actually is? Evidently not.

[ed miliband]

rockism is a conservative approach to culture and it drips off you like the sweat on biggie's bloated body

[Invader Zim]

rockism is a conservative approach to culture and it drips off you like the sweat on biggie's bloated body

Biggie doesn't sweat anymore, and thankfuly neither does he rap. Thank God for small mercies.

[#FF0000]

Biggie doesn't sweat anymore, and thankfuly neither does he rap. Thank God for small mercies.

edgy

[ed miliband]

Biggie doesn't sweat anymore, and thankfuly neither does he rap. Thank God for small mercies.

i bet he makes you sweat tho






(when you get really annoyed about his music obv)

[Misanthrope]

I prefer A tribe called Quest, Digable Planets, Big L ect to Biggie. I also prefer pac over biggie as well. Biggie is pretty overrated

[Prometeo liberado]

How long is this "moment" of silence supposed to last? By the time this is over he won't even be dead anymore. I got shit to do folks!

[ed miliband]

I prefer A tribe called Quest, Digable Planets, Big L ect to Biggie. I also prefer pac over biggie as well. Biggie is pretty overrated

i thought the same and then i listened to 'ready to die' really loud and it blew me away

[#FF0000]

i thought the same and then i listened to 'ready to die' really loud and it blew me away

Yeah pretty much exactly this.

[El Oso Rojo]

Biggie doesn't sweat anymore, and thankfuly neither does he rap. Thank God for small mercies.

ouch.

[Invader Zim]

i bet he makes you sweat tho

(when you get really annoyed about his music obv)

It isn't his music that is annoying; its the reactionary shit in his lyrics, such as his attitude towards women, that I find distasteful.

[JustMovement]

im just going to put this out there, you can take it or leave it. Its just my opinion..
biggie is way better than 2pac

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

i can get down with that
tupac had a handful of great songs, but virtually everything biggie did was briliant. his flow was just better imo

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

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Also, virtually any major genre within the last 50-60 years has elements of misogyny most especially rock, let's not be selective "critics."

[L.A.P.]

What disliking the most shallow, vacuous and reactionary mindset is 'conservative'? Do you even understand what conservatism actually is? Evidently not.

No, having some lifestylist view on music and art in general that it can only relate to certain feelings that you feel comfortable with is. I honestly beg the question, what is wrong with music or art that has obscene, violent, indecent, and down right evil content? Part of the beauty of art is that it can express and relate to feelings that make us uncomfortable, and to deny this aspect of art I think is a pretty conservative and reactionary mindset. I think a lot of moral self-righteousness plays into this too, like I don't need to restrict myself to only listening to sister circle chant songs to prove to myself that I'm not sexist.

[Invader Zim]

No, having some lifestylist view on music and art in general that it can only relate to certain feelings that you feel comfortable with is.

My guess is that 'lifestylist' is another word you don't actually grasp, along with 'conservatism'. Let me ask you a couple of questions. How does disliking a figure who uses their position and platform of millions to demean and objectify women either a 'lifestylist' or 'conservative' position? Surely yours is the conservative position as your statement here is basically defending the right of a super-rich capitalist to dehumanise women, to render them as little more than attractive ornaments to hang at the side of men like Biggie and to offer them sexual gratification? That is, after all, the basis of Biggie's perseption of the role of women. And doubtless that is the relatively tame. Do you really not see the problem with his lyrics and the position he used his platform to propagate?

So let me put this plainly to you, so you don't misunderstand; if you think disliking Biggie makes me a conservative of lifestylist, then what does liking him make you?

[bricolage]

So let me put this plainly to you, so you don't misunderstand; if you think disliking Biggie makes me a conservative of lifestylist, then what does liking him make you?
someone with good taste in music.

[Invader Zim]

someone with good taste in music.


I don't dislike his music, I dislike the content of his lyrics.