Asexual discrimination

[LOLseph Stalin]

Sorry I'm posting this here, but I am restricted so I didn't really have a choice.

I just want to say that I am an asexual and I feel that in many ways we are also discriminated against, but in a different way than homosexuals. It's more so in the way that most people don't even realize we exist so already have preconceived assumptions about us in their minds such as many mentioned here: http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Katluver1991/Political%20Crap/385811_197648736996194_100002532069917_388210_1310 537661_n.jpg

Soooooo...fellow asexuals(if there's any here) do you feel that society kinda just leaves us out? Should we be considered allies of the LGBT community despite having slightly different goals? How can we raise awareness?

[Marvin the Marxian]

Asexuals do seem to be rarer than homosexuals, bisexuals, or transgender people, but that doesn't make their feelings and perspectives any less worthy of respect. I'm not an asexual myself, but I see no reason why the LGBT community shouldn't be extended to become the LGBTA community.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Asexuals do seem to be rarer than homosexuals, bisexuals, or transgender people, but that doesn't make their feelings and perspectives any less worthy of respect. I'm not an asexual myself, but I see no reason why the LGBT community shouldn't be extended to become the LGBTA community.

Yea, we're only about 10% of the world's population or something so it is more difficult to come across an asexual thus huge amounts of misunderstanding.

[Ostrinski]

For clarification: What do you mean when you say asexual? Does it mean that you don't have any sexual attraction or that you choose not to engage in sexual activity?

[LOLseph Stalin]

For clarification: What do you mean when you say asexual? Does it mean that you don't have any sexual attraction or that you choose not to engage in sexual activity?

Choosing not to engage in sexual activity is celibacy. Asexuality is just not having any sexual attraction. Depending on the asexual some may not have romantic attraction either. I hope this clears things up. :)

[gorillafuck]

Yea, we're only about 10% of the world's population or something so it is more difficult to come across an asexual thus huge amounts of misunderstanding.asexuals are much less than 10% of the worlds population.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

For clarification: What do you mean when you say asexual? Does it mean that you don't have any sexual attraction or that you choose not to engage in sexual activity?

a·sex·u·al (ā-sĕk'shū-əl)

adj.

Having no evident sex or sex organs; sexless.
Relating to, produced by, or involving reproduction that occurs without the union of male and female gametes, as in binary fission or budding.
Lacking interest in or desire for sex.
I rather not talk about the first one.
The second one is not for humans, unless . . .
The third one is the one that I believe would be applicable to the OP, because someone could have not yet engaged in sexual activity, like me, but they could also belong to a group that usually does not have sex, like teenagers . . . like me. Yet I am still sexually attracted to females. I am pretty sure asexuality is not celibacy.

Edit: I just found out people already explained asexuality. Now I am 100% sure it is not celibacy.

[LOLseph Stalin]

asexuals are much less than 10% of the worlds population.

Probably. I'm actually not sure of the exact statistics, but it is quite low.

[gorillafuck]

trust me, it's WAY lower than 10%.

[Lobotomy]

I'm really sorry if this is an ignorant question, but I want to clarify. is it always wrong to ask an asexual person if they intend to get married and have children? just because someone has no desire for sex doesn't mean that they don't want companionship (with another asexual person, perhaps?) or a family. I mean, there are asexual dating sites (http://asexualitic.com/).

[LOLseph Stalin]

I'm really sorry if this is an ignorant question, but I want to clarify. is it always wrong to ask an asexual person if they intend to get married and have children? just because someone has no desire for sex doesn't mean that they don't want companionship (with another asexual person, perhaps?) or a family. I mean, there are asexual dating sites (http://asexualitic.com/).

It really depends on the asexual as some don't experience romantic attraction. Asking an aromantic asexual about marriage might be a bit disrespectful, but for somebody like me I wouldn't rule out the possibility of marriage.

[RGacky3]

A lot of those things are not bigoted, but things that people would say because its a strange phenomenon and rare and very few people know about it, and many times those things COULD be true.

i.e. scared of sex, late bloomer.

If people are honestly curious or trying to figure out what the issue, its NOT bigoted.

[9]

I tend to agree, actually. I think its more that people have just never come into contact with this phenomenon. I had actually never even heard of it until revleft, so... a lot of people probably go through life without ever knowing it exists...

[Ostrinski]

A lot of those things are not bigoted, but things that people would say because its a strange phenomenon and rare and very few people know about it, and many times those things COULD be true.

i.e. scared of sex, late bloomer.

If people are honestly curious or trying to figure out what the issue, its NOT bigoted.I think it's dependent upon the manner that they are presented. If it is presented as an inquiry, i.e. trying to understand it, then it's not bigoted but if it is presented as a statement, i.e. telling someone about who they are then it is.

This, of course, could go for any phenomenon, sexual and beyond.

[l'Enfermé]

Such questions could be asked out of ignorance, not neccesarily because of bigotry. I've never met someone who describes themselves as asexual and I'd probably say many of those things. I'm not a bigot, trust me.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I tend to agree, actually. I think its more that people have just never come into contact with this phenomenon. I had actually never even heard of it until revleft, so... a lot of people probably go through life without ever knowing it exists...

Which is why I think we need to aligne ourselves with the LGBT community so we can make ourselves known; we need to show the world that we exist.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Such questions could be asked out of ignorance, not neccesarily because of bigotry. I've never met someone who describes themselves as asexual and I'd probably say many of those things. I'm not a bigot, trust me.

There's me, but I'm just a person online so I suppose I don't really count, lol.

[RGacky3]

Which is why I think we need to aligne ourselves with the LGBT community so we can make ourselves known; we need to show the world that we exist.

Why? Your not oppressed ... Your not discriminated against .... your just rare and out of the ordinary, why are you trying to make "I don't enjoy sex" into an identity and a movement!!!!???

I movement for what? To let people know you don't enjoy sex? Why?

[LOLseph Stalin]

Why? Your not oppressed ... Your not discriminated against .... your just rare and out of the ordinary, why are you trying to make "I don't enjoy sex" into an identity and a movement!!!!???

I movement for what? To let people know you don't enjoy sex? Why?

Just to spread awareness. Like just a few decades ago homosexuality was thought to not exist and was viewed as a mental illness. Asexuality has a similar status now.

[RGacky3]

I don't think Asexuality are considered a mental illness amung professionals, and amung regular people I don't think anyone ever thinks about it or honestly cares that much.

Whats the point of spreading awareness that some people don't want to get laid??? its like spreading awareness that some people like having sex in funny costumes ... Its not an issue.

[gorillafuck]

are asexuals really discriminated against aside from people just not understanding what it is? to be totally honest, most of the bigoted statements listed are basically people showing that they have no idea what the definition of asexuality even is, as opposed to actually opposing it.

[LOLseph Stalin]

are asexuals really discriminated against aside from people just not understanding what it is? to be totally honest, most of the bigoted statements listed are basically people showing that they have no idea what the definition of asexuality even is, as opposed to actually opposing it.

Perhaps it is not discrimination, but just yesterday in a discussion the topic of my asexuality somehow came up and then the other person said I have nothing to live for since I'm not interested in sex. I facepalmed pretty hard.

I'm not sure if this actually happens, but I know in many religious groups marriage is viewed as a pretty big thing so I'm sure there's huge amounts of pressure for marriage, which many asexuals obviously wouldn't be interested in engaging in. Even I'm often questioned by muslim men when I intend to marry and such. :blushing:

[Ostrinski]

the other person said I have nothing to live for since I'm not interested in sex.This is a miserable person.

[Fennec]

Good that someone is finally paying attention this. I'm asexual and I've heard some of these phrases so many times.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Good that someone is finally paying attention this. I'm asexual and I've heard some of these phrases so many times.

Yes, I tend to hear 9 and 18 a lot.

[gorillafuck]

I'm not sure if this actually happens, but I know in many religious groups marriage is viewed as a pretty big thing so I'm sure there's huge amounts of pressure for marriage, which many asexuals obviously wouldn't be interested in engaging in. Even I'm often questioned by muslim men when I intend to marry and such. :blushing:a lot of asexuals do marry, though. and some even have sex for the sake of their partner. so I don't see what the big deal there is.

[Nox]

I saw this on the list and sorry if this sounds slightly ignorant or offensive, but I am genuinely curious, do asexual people masturbate?

[Fennec]

I saw this on the list and sorry if this sounds slightly ignorant or offensive, but I am genuinely curious, do asexual people masturbate?

Wikipedia:

Some may masturbate as a solitary form of release, while others do not feel a need to do so.[5] The need or desire for masturbation is commonly referred to as a "sex drive" and is disassociated from sexual attraction and being sexual; asexuals who masturbate generally consider it to be a normal product of the human body and not a sign of latent sexuality, and may not even find it pleasurable.[6]

[LOLseph Stalin]

a lot of asexuals do marry, though. and some even have sex for the sake of their partner. so I don't see what the big deal there is.

Again, it depends on the asexual. Some are completely repulsed by the idea of any romantic relationships whatsoever while others like me would probably consider marriage. I would never consider sex though, which is why I would only be comfortable being with another asexual. Obviously that won't be easy since there's so few around, but It seems I'm meeting more and more online.

As for the masturbation question, I personally very rarely masturbate so it does vary among asexuals. A sex drive can still be present even if you don't have any actual sexual attraction. Yes, I realize this is complicated to grasp. I even have a hard time explaining it in a way that makes sense. I guess you can also inquire from this that porn doesn't really serve much of a purpose for asexuals either.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Soooooo...fellow asexuals(if there's any here) do you feel that society kinda just leaves us out? Should we be considered allies of the LGBT community despite having slightly different goals? How can we raise awareness?

If you want inclusion into the GLBT community you will have to fight. Such people have been historically dominated by Lesbians and gay men who have been less open minded than one would wish. In fact, the inclusion of the "T" in "GLBT" was accepted only after a movement by Transgendered people. Bisexuals have been through much of the same.

If you are looking for inclusion I would participate in the Queer community as there isn't "letter labeling" so sexually different people come as they are (is why I always refer to my community as queer, versus GLBT). :)

[LOLseph Stalin]

If you want inclusion into the GLBT community you will have to fight. Such people have been historically dominated by Lesbians and gay men who have been less open minded than one would wish. In fact, the inclusion of the "T" in "GLBT" was accepted only after a movement by Transgendered people. Bisexuals have been through much of the same.

If you are looking for inclusion I would participate in the Queer community as there isn't "letter labeling" so sexually different people come as they are (is why I always refer to my community as queer, versus GLBT). :)

I believe some asexuals have already marched in pride parades just to get it out there that we exist. It's a good first step anyway.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I believe some asexuals have already marched in pride parades just to get it out there that we exist. It's a good first step anyway.

It is a step, every movement begins with a step yet Asexuals must organize with like minded Queers, in my opinion, if real change is to be brought about.Activism groups, in other words, is what is needed; groups like GLF, GAA, Act Up, Queer Nation, etc only for Asexuals instead of a one group oriented strategy. Militancy with vision, essentially.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I think the primary issue for asexual folks at the moment is one of recognition and awareness. Sex and sexuality are frequently used to flog products, so a lot of people may find it difficult to accept the fact of asexuality when they are more or less constantly surrounded by the message that "sex sells".

Another cultural trope which I reckon contributes to the "invisibility" of asexuals (so to speak), is a strong cultural bias against being single and/or living alone.

[Azraella]

Soooooo...fellow asexuals(if there's any here) do you feel that society kinda just leaves us out? Should we be considered allies of the LGBT community despite having slightly different goals? How can we raise awareness?

I'm a demisexual or gray-A asexual depending on the day and I am an ally to the LGBT movement and an active participant in LGBT activism(I'm a pan-romantic and bigendered as well). I agree with what others have said here in that we should make ourselves more visible and such.

[human strike]

Wikipedia:

Some may masturbate as a solitary form of release, while others do not feel a need to do so.[5] The need or desire for masturbation is commonly referred to as a "sex drive" and is disassociated from sexual attraction and being sexual; asexuals who masturbate generally consider it to be a normal product of the human body and not a sign of latent sexuality, and may not even find it pleasurable.[6]

This is something that has always confused me about asexuality. Do asexual people have a sex drive? If the answer is no, why not? I really struggle to get my head around it. I once heard an asexual person in answer to the question "how do you know you're asexual if you haven't tried sex?" say "how do you know you're heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual if you've never tried anything else?" But to me that response make no sense. Indeed how does a heterosexual man, for example, know that he would not be sexually attracted to other men if he engaged in sex with a man? I don't believe our sexuality is something that is self-evident to ourselves. I think it's entirely possible for sexual preference to change over time, or rather that we can realise a sexual attraction towards people of any gender. Indeed I've come to a personal conclusion that potentially anyone can find anyone else sexually attractive regardless of what they consider their sexuality to be and regardless of that other person's gender or sex - that labels like heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual are inventions/myths, and that much like gender, sexuality is unique to each person.

However, I simply can't understand how some people might have no sexuality at all. The notion that some people may have a sex drive but feel no sexual attraction towards any person they've met begins to make some sense to me. But no sex drive at all? I feel there must be a biological or mental explanation for that, which very unfortunately causes us to stray into the territory of explaining this with the language of medical condition or disorder, as there being something wrong. I have no quarrel with any person who does not engage in sexuality activity, but at the same time I can't help but feel that such a thing has a negative (perhaps substantial) effect on that person's quality of life.

I remind myself that we live in a society that is aggressively anti-sex. Could this have something to do with it? Or perhaps I myself am massively mistaken in my view that sexual desire is one of the basic, fundamental and universal human desires. The whole thing hurts my head to be honest. :confused:

[LOLseph Stalin]

I remind myself that we live in a society that is aggressively anti-sex. Could this have something to do with it? Or perhaps I myself am massively mistaken in my view that sexual desire is one of the basic, fundamental and universal human desires. The whole thing hurts my head to be honest. :confused:

Seriously? If anything society is very pro-sex, too pro-sex. I actually think people are judged too much based on how they look or how much sex appeal they have rather than more important things that should matter such as personality. Also, it's hard to do anything without hearing about sex and this even comes from young people who should be children rather than worrying about more grown up things. Anyway, I'm not trying to be a prude or anything, I just think there's many things very very wrong with our society.

[NewLeft]

I think asexuals do have a sex drive, just not the actual desire for a sexual relationship?

[Franz Fanonipants]

look. this is an honest question, if get restricted for it i guess i understand:

how do you know your asexuality is not a pathology? like, how do you know it isn't something wrong with you, chemically or psychologically that could be changed?

[NewLeft]

Seriously? If anything society is very pro-sex, too pro-sex. I actually think people are judged too much based on how they look or how much sex appeal they have rather than more important things that should matter such as personality. Also, it's hard to do anything without hearing about sex and this even comes from young people who should be children rather than worrying about more grown up things. Anyway, I'm not trying to be a prude or anything, I just think there's many things very very wrong with our society.
It's contradictory, but the values are not at all pro-sex.. If you're a woman, you're automatically a slut if you like sleeping around. It's pretty much a taboo too.

Branding based on sex is very useful though.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I think asexuals do have a sex drive, just not the actual desire for a sexual relationship?

That's usually how it works.


It's contradictory, but the values are not at all pro-sex.. If you're a woman, you're automatically a slut if you like sleeping around. It's pretty much a taboo too.

Branding based on sex is very useful though.

That is pretty fucked up, yes. However, If people are sleeping around then obviously society is more pro-sex than you think? O.o So yea, maybe society as a whole isn't anti-sex even if some of the values are. You have to remember that things have changed a lot in recent decades, and maybe not necessarily all for the better.

[bcbm]

Just to spread awareness. Like just a few decades ago homosexuality was thought to not exist and was viewed as a mental illness. Asexuality has a similar status now.

i don't think its 'just like that' i don't think asexuals are given electric shocks and aversion therapy

[Guy Incognito]

I feel for you comrade. Not literally, I'm led about by my hormonal urge to make very good friends with nearly every female I meet (not that I do, I'm a faithful fellow), but I realize now what you're toalking about. I have a lady friend who could very well be asexual, as while she's always been romantically inclined, is utterly uninterested in (possibly even frightened of) sex. This would explain her reactions over the years to every man (or woman) she's been romantically attached to. Now I feel really bad for trying to help her out with finding a more permanant partner in terms of the usual sexualities.

[RGacky3]

I think the primary issue for asexual folks at the moment is one of recognition and awareness. Sex and sexuality are frequently used to flog products, so a lot of people may find it difficult to accept the fact of asexuality when they are more or less constantly surrounded by the message that "sex sells".

Another cultural trope which I reckon contributes to the "invisibility" of asexuals (so to speak), is a strong cultural bias against being single and/or living alone.

Its not visible because its rare and its not a problem .... just like people who like getting their balls whipped isn't visible.

The cultural bias, if there is any, is just really due to its rareness.

Honestly why do you want people to care?

[sithsaber]

For the continuation of our species all asexuals must be purged immediately for the following reasons:

1. Sex is necessary for reproduction.
2. Sex feels fucking great
3.This has to be some sort of genetic deficiency
4. If you are female, you obviously haven't met me yet:tt1:
jkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjjkjkjkjkjkj kjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkkjkjkjk
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::la ugh:

Seriously though what you do or not do is your problem. Just don't proselytize or flaunt it
(women are hard to deal with as is);)

jkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjjkjkjkjjkjkjjkjkjkjkjkjkjkj kjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjk
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::la ugh:

[LOLseph Stalin]

For a minute there I thought you were a troll until I saw the "jk" bit.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

look. this is an honest question, if get restricted for it i guess i understand:

how do you know your asexuality is not a pathology? like, how do you know it isn't something wrong with you, chemically or psychologically that could be changed?

Even if it was pathological (I do not believe it is though) if people are happy the way they are than there is no need to change them.


I think asexuals do have a sex drive, just not the actual desire for a sexual relationship?

You are going to have to clarify that but I am rather sure that if I were an Asexual I would be offended.

[human strike]

Seriously? If anything society is very pro-sex, too pro-sex. I actually think people are judged too much based on how they look or how much sex appeal they have rather than more important things that should matter such as personality. Also, it's hard to do anything without hearing about sex and this even comes from young people who should be children rather than worrying about more grown up things. Anyway, I'm not trying to be a prude or anything, I just think there's many things very very wrong with our society.

New Left touched on what I meant by this a bit. The dominant culture in society is intensely anti-sex but very pro-pornography. The difference may seem subtle but it's very important.

[The Douche]

For the continuation of our species all asexuals must be purged immediately for the following reasons:

1. Sex is necessary for reproduction.
2. Sex feels fucking great
3.This has to be some sort of genetic deficiency
4. If you are female, you obviously haven't met me yet:tt1:
jkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjjkjkjkjkjkj kjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkkjkjkjk
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::la ugh:

Seriously though what you do or not do is your problem. Just don't proselytize or flaunt it
(women are hard to deal with as is);)

jkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjjkjkjkjjkjkjjkjkjkjkjkjkjkj kjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjkjk
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::la ugh:

This really isn't appropriate. I understand you're joking, but its just not an appropriate place to make these kind of jokes.

[ComradeGrant]

One of our much-loved Comrades (Ducky) is asexual. She gets shit all the time from guys who hit on her and then want to change her. I would consider this a form of discrimination, which is why I think it's important to get knowledge about asexuality and asexual people out there.

[NewLeft]

You are going to have to clarify that but I am rather sure that if I were an Asexual I would be offended.
Why would you be offended?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Why would you be offended?

If I were an Asexual I would be offended because I would be having my bodily naturalness be thrown in my face by someone who isn't part of my community and contradicts everything I am.

[NewLeft]

If I were an Asexual I would be offended because I would be having my bodily naturalness be thrown in my face by someone who isn't part of my community and contradicts everything I am.
I am not trying to offend, it was not my intention. It was a question and it was to the best of my understanding.. But I get why you would feel that way. I apologize if it did offend anyone.

[LOLseph Stalin]

One of our much-loved Comrades (Ducky) is asexual. She gets shit all the time from guys who hit on her and then want to change her. I would consider this a form of discrimination, which is why I think it's important to get knowledge about asexuality and asexual people out there.

I have had a few similar experiences myself. I have been touched in inappropriate places because apparently guys can't take a hint I'm not interested.

[Agent Ducky]

One of our much-loved Comrades (Ducky) is asexual. She gets shit all the time from guys who hit on her and then want to change her. I would consider this a form of discrimination, which is why I think it's important to get knowledge about asexuality and asexual people out there.

This right here. ASEXUAL SWAG. I wouldn't say *all the time* but a lot of guys who hit on me will say something about changing me if I say I'm asexual.
See, I wouldn't care about raising awareness all that much UNTIL stuff like this happens. Actually, yesterday, someone said this to me in a public forum:

you're biologically programmed to feel attraction regardless of the sex, sometimes nature says we need to whittle it down and make this one homosexual but to be asexual is to be deficient in some genetic aspect
She didn't give any supporting evidence or anything. She just said that and a lot of people took her side and told me I was lying to them/myself and that I'm just repressed/in denial. And it was even more confusing coming from someone who you'd think would understand being non-heteronormative... But no...
It's a really misunderstood phenomenon. I think we're in there with the LGBT community, along with demisexuals/gray-A's. Most people I've found are tolerant...
Actually, I was asked by my transgender friend today to help him with his non-heteronormative Youtube collaborative channel thing.
I dunno. A vibe I'm kinda getting here off some people from Revleft is that "You guys don't want anything, so why do you want to raise awareness?"
It's because of shit like this. Because people seem concerned with "orientations" and as far as we're concerned this isn't even a thing in the eyes of most people... and it's the lack of orientation. Keeping it to ourselves is the equivalent, to us, as being a closeted gay person. A lot of times people will assume "Oh, that person is just homosexual but isn't expressing it." Especially if person in question doesn't conform to gender roles (I'm sure there's a fair share of people who think I'm a lesbian out there...)

I think asexuals do have a sex drive, just not the actual desire for a sexual relationship?
Some do. Some don't. As for me, I've little to no sex drive as far as I can tell.
Tried masturbation once out of curiosity, was quite the pointless waste of my time. :blink:

[bricolage]

I have had a few similar experiences myself. I have been touched in inappropriate places because apparently guys can't take a hint I'm not interested.
yeah but that's not a unique experience. guys molest non-asexual women all the time.

[RGacky3]

One of our much-loved Comrades (Ducky) is asexual. She gets shit all the time from guys who hit on her and then want to change her. I would consider this a form of discrimination, which is why I think it's important to get knowledge about asexuality and asexual people out there.


NO IT IS NOT DISCRIMINATION, its horniness, I don't claim discrimination if a gay guy hits on me, its not, calling getting hit on even though I don't want to get laid "discrimination" is degrading people who are actually discriminated against.


yeah but that's not a unique experience. guys molest non-asexual women all the time.


That happens to WOMEN all the time, and its terrible and guys that do that should be prosecuted, but its not some sort of a-sexual discrimination.

[Guy Incognito]

NO IT IS NOT DISCRIMINATION, its horniness, I don't claim discrimination if a gay guy hits on me, its not, calling getting hit on even though I don't want to get laid "discrimination" is degrading people who are actually discriminated against.



That happens to WOMEN all the time, and its terrible and guys that do that should be prosecuted, but its not some sort of a-sexual discrimination.

I agree with this, unless they're pressing the matter (which is getting into douchebag-town). I'm bloody flattered on those rare occasions when I'm hit on by gay men. All it usually takes is a "sorry bro, wrong team" and all's well in awesometown. People should be sensitive to situations once they know what's up, but until then, making a pass at a random is pretty harmless (and how to let people know you're interested... it's not like we can roll up and sniff butts like dogs).

[Luc]

I'm fairly certain you 2 ate missing the point it's not the being hit on it's the change you aspect of it

[Guy Incognito]

I'm fairly certain you 2 ate missing the point it's not the being hit on it's the change you aspect of it

I can't exactly understand this, as it's probably from a phone, but I'll try to field this one.

Are you proposing somehow that all of humanity should stop making passes on people, because they might somehow come upon an asexual and make them feel uncomfortable? Frankly that's a bit absurd if so. What people SHOULD do is understand that asexuals exist, and not press them on the subject if they're informed as such. Changing human courting behavior (displays of interest, which is nearly universal regardless of orientation) for such a minute minority of the population seems impossible. Reasonable accomidation(sp?) for those comerades who are asexual should be just fine.

[Luc]

I can't exactly understand this, as it's probably from a phone, but I'll try to field this one.

Are you proposing somehow that all of humanity should stop making passes on people, because they might somehow come upon an asexual and make them feel uncomfortable? Frankly that's a bit absurd if so. What people SHOULD do is understand that asexuals exist, and not press them on the subject if they're informed as such. Changing human courting behavior (displays of interest, which is nearly universal regardless of orientation) for such a minute minority of the population seems impossible. Reasonable accomidation(sp?) for those comerades who are asexual should be just fine.

That is what I'm saying not the other stuff. if someone says they're not interested or in this case asexual tehy are informed the person they are hitting on are asexual then they person hitting on them should sod off not say "oh i can change you baby" or in the case of some lesbians "you just haven't had a man please you before" and other such douchbagery which take on the offensive and discriminatory nature when they say bullshit about your specific sexuality. Not at the beginning but after they have been informed and the person refuses to take no as an answer and instead begin to basically say fuck your sexuality it doesn't exists et. al.

Of course I can't speak for any other comrades at all. So I could be wrong and if I offended comrades I am very sorry.

[Guy Incognito]

That is what I'm saying not the other stuff. if someone says they're not interested or in this case asexual tehy are informed the person they are hitting on are asexual then they person hitting on them should sod off not say "oh i can change you baby" or in the case of some lesbians "you just haven't had a man please you before" and other such douchbagery which take on the offensive and discriminatory nature when they say bullshit about your specific sexuality. Not at the beginning but after they have been informed and the person refuses to take no as an answer and instead begin to basically say fuck your sexuality it doesn't exists et. al.

Of course I can't speak for any other comrades at all. So I could be wrong and if I offended comrades I am very sorry.

No worries comrade, you didn't offend. I completely agree with you, I just didn't understand your prior post and figured I'd cover all the bases. :thumbup:

[Agent Ducky]

I can't exactly understand this, as it's probably from a phone, but I'll try to field this one.

Are you proposing somehow that all of humanity should stop making passes on people, because they might somehow come upon an asexual and make them feel uncomfortable? Frankly that's a bit absurd if so. What people SHOULD do is understand that asexuals exist, and not press them on the subject if they're informed as such. Changing human courting behavior (displays of interest, which is nearly universal regardless of orientation) for such a minute minority of the population seems impossible. Reasonable accomidation(sp?) for those comerades who are asexual should be just fine.

Einfach, you basically hit the nail on the said.
I don't blame people for hitting on me. But if they're asshats about it "I can change you" or "You are in denial", that's when it gets into discrimination territory. Like einfach said, it's just like a straight guy hitting on a lesbian and saying he can change her or that she's just never tried it with a man before so obviously she is wrong. Or if the gay guy hitting on you keeps pressing "you sure you're not gay? You don't know until you've tried it!" and shit like that. (I'm gonna take a wild guess and say this is more likely to happen against non-heteronormative people because their sexuality is more likely to be brought into question)...

Make sense? I think I started rambling...

[Althusser]

What exactly are asexual goals as you've said above?

[Luís Henrique]

I don' think there is any actual anti-asexual discrimination in modern society. To the extent that asexuals are discriminated, it is a subproduct of homophobia, as those who don't show evident signs of sexuality will quite probably be mistaken for closet homosexuals.

Luís Henrique

[electro_fan]

have asexuals been subjected to the same sort of murder or institutionalised medicalised torture as gay people and intersex people have? i'm not sure they have. not saying there isn't discrimination but i'm not sure it's in the same category.

[Guy Incognito]

have asexuals been subjected to the same sort of murder or institutionalised medicalised torture as gay people and intersex people have? i'm not sure they have. not saying there isn't discrimination but i'm not sure it's in the same category.

Probably not, but it's good to make sure such things don't happen eh? Right wingers are always on the lookout for new groups to bully.

[gorillafuck]

I think the primary issue for asexual folks at the moment is one of recognition and awareness. Sex and sexuality are frequently used to flog products, so a lot of people may find it difficult to accept the fact of asexuality when they are more or less constantly surrounded by the message that "sex sells".

Another cultural trope which I reckon contributes to the "invisibility" of asexuals (so to speak), is a strong cultural bias against being single and/or living alone.the invisibility of asexuals is more because there are so few asexual people, and asexuals have not been deprived of rights based on their (lack of) sexuality.

[Luís Henrique]

the invisibility of asexuals is more because there are so few asexual people, and asexuals have not been deprived of rights based on their (lack of) sexuality.

And perhaps because "coming out" as an asexual isn't as much a pressing issue as coming out as homosexual. Indeed, arguably, why would people who don't give a thought about sexuality be concerned in identifying as asexual?

Luís Henrique

[arilando]

Yea, we're only about 10% of the world's population or something so it is more difficult to come across an asexual thus huge amounts of misunderstanding.
I believe less than 1% would be a more accurate number.

[arilando]

Seriously? If anything society is very pro-sex, too pro-sex. I actually think people are judged too much based on how they look or how much sex appeal they have rather than more important things that should matter such as personality. Also, it's hard to do anything without hearing about sex and this even comes from young people who should be children rather than worrying about more grown up things. Anyway, I'm not trying to be a prude or anything, I just think there's many things very very wrong with our society.
Oh the old "children should be children". Ever heard of ageism, a much more serious issue than discrimination against asexuals?

[Guy Incognito]

Oh the old "children should be children". Ever heard of ageism, a much more serious issue than discrimination against asexuals?

Ever heard of racial cleansing? It's a much more serious issue than discrimination against the elderly. /sarc

Just because an issue is small, doesn't mean it should be ignored. The smaller ones, are easier to tackle.

[arilando]

Ever heard of racial cleansing? It's a much more serious issue than discrimination against the elderly. /sarc

Just because an issue is small, doesn't mean it should be ignored. The smaller ones, are easier to tackle.
Well i did mean ageism against minors, and was meant as a response to his idiotic and ignorant statement "young people who should be children rather than worrying about more grown up things".

[LOLseph Stalin]

Oh the old "children should be children". Ever heard of ageism, a much more serious issue than discrimination against asexuals?

So you're ok with little five year olds and such sleeping around and watching porn?

[bcbm]

So you're ok with little five year olds and such sleeping around and watching porn?

freedom for all

[LOLseph Stalin]

freedom for all

Wow, just wow... I'm not even sure how to respond to that...

[The Young Pioneer]

Originally Posted by InsertNameHere
So you're ok with little five year olds and such sleeping around and watching porn?

freedom for all


There is SO much wrong with this.

When I was six I was molested by a fellow student because his parents thought it was good for his fucking freedom to be allowed to watch porn at home.

Sorry if it seems silly to you, but such carelessness on the part of adults can lead to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child-on-child_sexual_abuse

[9]

I know that for some bizarre reason this is like THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL THING EVER to say on revleft, but believe it or not, the idea that it is abnormal for children to experiment sexually and that they are somehow naturally asexual is frankly complete bullshit.

please don't ban me... :rolleyes:

[bcbm]

Wow, just wow... I'm not even sure how to respond to that...

i was ridiculing your http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_fear

[The Young Pioneer]

I know that for some bizarre reason this is like THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL THING EVER to say on revleft, but believe it or not, the idea that it is abnormal for children to experiment sexually and that they are somehow naturally asexual is frankly complete bullshit.

please don't ban me... :rolleyes:

Not what I was saying, comrade. I agree with you. There's nothing wrong with consensual experimentation among children and I doubt that children are entirely asexual (unless they are individuals who grow up to identify as such later).

But exposing children to pornography can also encourage them to attempt to simulate the forceful behaviour they see on screen. Without understanding the content and therefore the idea of "consent," damage can be done.

I don't know if you were directing your comment to me or to the thread's theme in general, but I felt the need to clarify my stance. I really don't like talking about this, though so I'll end my input here (especially because most people discredit child-on-child sex abuse as "not real abuse."). But I did feel the need to speak up about that.

Back on topic, I think it's important for people to be aware of asexuality so they don't press or act ignorant when their advances on an asexual person go unrequited. However I don't think it's the same level of "discrimination" as the LGBT community often faces.

[arilando]

So you're ok with little five year olds and such sleeping around and watching porn?
Yes, let children control they own lives.

[arilando]

There is SO much wrong with this.

When I was six I was molested by a fellow student because his parents thought it was good for his fucking freedom to be allowed to watch porn at home.

Sorry if it seems silly to you, but such carelessness on the part of adults can lead to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child-on-child_sexual_abuse
Can you prove that children do this because they watch porn? When i was 7 there were kids in my class watching porn, and there was never any incident of sexual abuse at my school.

[gorillafuck]

given the amount of stuff on the internet it is a bad idea to let young kids watch porn. when I'm watching porn the ads I see on the side of the screen are fucked and depict sexual violence. this is regardless of what I'm watching on the actual video.

inadvertently exposing kids to sexual violence in absence of context is bad for developing an understanding of actual sexuality.

this libertarian mumbo jumbo doesn't take into account that development is gradual and a process, and if a kid is learning about sexuality then they need to learn about it in a way that shows context and where they can understand everything that's going on. I don't think this is conservative or anything, it's just understanding that it's okay for children to learn about sexuality while at the same time understanding that guidance is needed for any sort of development.

[arilando]

given the amount of stuff on the internet it is a bad idea to let young kids watch porn. when I'm watching porn the ads I see on the side of the screen are fucked and depict sexual violence. this is regardless of what I'm watching on the actual video.

inadvertently exposing kids to sexual violence in absence of context is bad for developing an understanding of actual sexuality.

this libertarian mumbo jumbo doesn't take into account that development is gradual and a process, and if a kid is learning about sexuality then they need to learn about it in a way that shows context and where they can understand everything that's going on. I don't think this is conservative or anything, it's just understanding that it's okay for children to learn about sexuality while at the same time understanding that guidance is needed for any sort of development.
How dump do you think children are? How dumb were yourself when you were a child?

[Azraella]

Oh the old "children should be children". Ever heard of ageism, a much more serious issue than discrimination against asexuals?

Cool! DERAILING! (http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#notthesame) It's totally AWESOME to DERAIL (http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#moreimportantly).

You know? I am an demisexual that advocates for youth rights. And yet, we live in a very fucked up society regarding sex. You know, I agree with some of the comments here regarding the idea that asexuals aren't denied rights for being ace or demi but you also know what? To the best of my knowledge, asexuals/demisexuals do not get murdered or arrested or turned away from jobs simply because they don’t experience sexual attraction. Any oppression we do experience, we experience because of being members of another group that is oppressed. For example, asexuals who are also transgender individuals experience discrimination against transgender individuals. Asexuals who wish to have romantic partners of the same gender might be read as gay and treated accordingly. And so on. I am so fucking tired of being hurt all of the time. Being invisible still hurts. Being mocked for who you are and not having others understand why it isn’t a big deal still hurts. And I want to be able to turn to someone with some power and say, “This is wrong,” and have them agree that is a Big Deal and worth telling the offender not to do anymore, without it taking away from the actual harm that others suffer as a result of untrue and negative beliefs about them. Stop being an acephobic shitbag. Now.


For everyone else:
Here is a blog post about asexual erasure (http://asexystuff.blogspot.com/2010/05/asexual-erasure.html) and a short article about it here (http://www.asexualnews.com/index.php/asexuality-101/473-what-is-asexual-erasure) and you might find this summary of asexual vs. sexual (http://asexystuff.blogspot.com/2008/12/all-people-are-sexual-beings-summary.html) to be useful. This thread (http://www.asexuality.org/en/index.php?/topic/61067-defining-orientation-by-attraction/) from the AVEN forums might be incredibly useful too. Here is a discussion of it in the show Glee (http://www.examiner.com/asexual-relationships-in-raleigh/asexuals-shouldn-t-laugh-off-glee-s-acephobic-attitudes) for it in a cultural context.

[RGacky3]

For example, asexuals who are also transgender individuals experience discrimination against transgender individuals. Asexuals who wish to have romantic partners of the same gender might be read as gay and treated accordingly.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with asexuality ....


Probably not, but it's good to make sure such things don't happen eh? Right wingers are always on the lookout for new groups to bully.

How about NO ONE CARES, why the hell would anyone care that your abstinant???

[The Young Pioneer]

Can you prove that children do this because they watch porn? When i was 7 there were kids in my class watching porn, and there was never any incident of sexual abuse at my school.

Can you prove there was never any incident of sexual abuse at your school? Ffs...

If you'd bothered to follow the link I posted, you would have seen the reasons listed for the act to be carried out, viewing of pornography being one of those.

[Kitty_Paine]

Yes, let children control they own lives.

Uhhh, this is sarcasm... right? I mean, just making sure... lol :rolleyes:

[arilando]

Cool! DERAILING! (http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#notthesame) It's totally AWESOME to DERAIL (http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#moreimportantly).

You know? I am an demisexual that advocates for youth rights. And yet, we live in a very fucked up society regarding sex. You know, I agree with some of the comments here regarding the idea that asexuals aren't denied rights for being ace or demi but you also know what? To the best of my knowledge, asexuals/demisexuals do not get murdered or arrested or turned away from jobs simply because they don’t experience sexual attraction. Any oppression we do experience, we experience because of being members of another group that is oppressed. For example, asexuals who are also transgender individuals experience discrimination against transgender individuals. Asexuals who wish to have romantic partners of the same gender might be read as gay and treated accordingly. And so on. I am so fucking tired of being hurt all of the time. Being invisible still hurts. Being mocked for who you are and not having others understand why it isn’t a big deal still hurts. And I want to be able to turn to someone with some power and say, “This is wrong,” and have them agree that is a Big Deal and worth telling the offender not to do anymore, without it taking away from the actual harm that others suffer as a result of untrue and negative beliefs about them. Stop being an acephobic shitbag. Now.
.
What part of my post did you find offensive?

[Revolution starts with U]

Yes, but that has nothing to do with asexuality ....



How about NO ONE CARES, why the hell would anyone care that your abstinant???

There's a difference between celibate and asexual.

[arilando]

Yes, but that has nothing to do with asexuality ....



How about NO ONE CARES, why the hell would anyone care that your abstinant???
This does't really come as a surprise, as you apparently yourself is wery bigoted, calling it abstinence instead of asexuality.

[arilando]

Can you prove there was never any incident of sexual abuse at your school? Ffs...
It's impossible to prove a negative, as opposed to your positive assertion.


If you'd bothered to follow the link I posted, you would have seen the reasons listed for the act to be carried out, viewing of pornography being one of those.
Have you followed your own link? It fails to prove that watching porn causes children to abuse other children.

[arilando]

Uhhh, this is sarcasm... right? I mean, just making sure... lol :rolleyes:
Why do you disagree with my post?

[Kitty_Paine]

Why do you disagree with my post?

'Let children control their own lives'

Well... I probably disagree, but it depends on what you mean exactly. That could be taken a whole lot of different ways. So you'd have to expand on it some so I knew exactly how much you think children should be given control of whatever they do.

Though now that I think about it, we would be going highly off-topic, lol.

[RGacky3]

There's a difference between celibate and asexual.

The difference is intent, an asexual does'nt have sexual drive, being ceilbate is a choice.

But as far as everyone else is concerned its not important, the point is no one cares uf people dont want to have sex, no one is discriminating because no one cares, nor should they, the only person that might care is someone who thought they had a shot at an asexual who they found attractive, other than that its a total non issue.


This does't really come as a surprise, as you apparently yourself is wery bigoted, calling it abstinence instead of asexuality.

explain to me why thats bigoted, as far as I'm concerned I don't care the reason you don't want to have sex, its not important.

[Agent Ducky]

How about NO ONE CARES, why the hell would anyone care that your abstinant???

...... If this was true, yes, I would agree with you. But that's not it. People insist on trying to analyze me and change me. They shouldn't care. So I don't know why anyone would care. But some people seem to.

This thread is starting to reek of Oppression Olympics....

[Vanguard1917]

Soooooo...fellow asexuals(if there's any here) do you feel that society kinda just leaves us out? Should we be considered allies of the LGBT community despite having slightly different goals? How can we raise awareness?

'Asexuals' are not a persecuted group. Feeling 'left out' is not the same thing as suffering discrimination. The last time i checked, people were not losing their jobs or being arrested by police for not wanting to have a sex life.

[arilando]

The difference is intent, an asexual does'nt have sexual drive, being ceilbate is a choice.

But as far as everyone else is concerned its not important, the point is no one cares uf people dont want to have sex, no one is discriminating because no one cares, nor should they, the only person that might care is someone who thought they had a shot at an asexual who they found attractive, other than that its a total non issue.



explain to me why thats bigoted, as far as I'm concerned I don't care the reason you don't want to have sex, its not important.
I'm not myself asexual, why do you assume that?

[gorillafuck]

How dump do you think children are? How dumb were yourself when you were a child?I am willing to argue that children are not mentally developed enough to be exposed to sexual violence without context.

I guess you could call me an "ultra-nazi". it's my unique brand of nazism that is more emphasized around not letting kids see violent sexual videos rather than hatred of jews.

[The Young Pioneer]

It's impossible to prove a negative, as opposed to your positive assertion.

My "positive assertion" was about my own experience, because uh, that's what happened.


Have you followed your own link? It fails to prove that watching porn causes children to abuse other children.

"In some instances, the perpetrating child was exposed to pornography or repeatedly witnessed sexual activity of adults at a very young age..."

Source: Gray, Alison; Busconi, Aida; Houchens, Paul; Pithers, William D. (1997). "Children with sexual behavior problems and their caregivers: Demographics, functioning, and clinical patterns". Sexual Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment 9 (4): 267–290. doi:10.1007/BF02674853.

If you can't read that's not my problem. Anymore questions, direct them to my PM box. I'm done derailing the topic here. Thanks.

[9]

"In some instances, the perpetrating child was exposed to pornography or repeatedly witnessed sexual activity of adults at a very young age..."

Source: Gray, Alison; Busconi, Aida; Houchens, Paul; Pithers, William D. (1997). "Children with sexual behavior problems and their caregivers: Demographics, functioning, and clinical patterns". Sexual Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment 9 (4): 267–290. doi:10.1007/BF02674853.


actually, correlation does not imply causation, although it isn't even clear that there is a correlation to begin with.

[Erratus]

I remembering talking with some Christian and asking what he thought about asexuals. This was in the same vein as homosexuals, and were linked since he was talking about homosexuality being wrong since they do not reproduce naturally. Said that celibacy was respectable. Did not believe that there were people who did not have a sex drive. It was just a christian reactionary though.

[Agent Ducky]

'Asexuals' are not a persecuted group. Feeling 'left out' is not the same thing as suffering discrimination. The last time i checked, people were not losing their jobs or being arrested by police for not wanting to have a sex life.

Nobody's claiming persecution here.

Also, on the subject of children and what they should/shouldn't watch:

Although it would seem that seeing stuff shouldn't really affect kids, I'd have to say it does. Even silly stuff. Because, I remember, as a kid, seeing stuff on TV and wanting to emulate it. This was nothing detrimental, it was just some idiosyncrasies/differences in everyday stuff that doesn't matter in the end. But I did this stuff because I saw it and I wanted to emulate it. I don't know why. I was a generally smart kid, too. But I had that sort of mild fixation. I'm sure plenty of other kids have done that too. "Why did you do X? Why?" "Because they did it on this show and it seemed fun."

But yeah that's completely off-topic.

[9]

nvm offtopic

[RGacky3]

I'm not myself asexual, why do you assume that?

Because I cannot see any possible reason anyone would care ... becuase asexuality is NOT doing something or NOT wanting to do something.


...... If this was true, yes, I would agree with you. But that's not it. People insist on trying to analyze me and change me. They shouldn't care. So I don't know why anyone would care. But some people seem to.


That does'nt suprise me perse, since romantic love and sex are generally a very important parts of peoples lives and asexuality is pretty rare, so when they find out your asexual (espescially if they are your family or something), the first thought might be "something might be wrong," simply because it is so rare and because romance is an important part of most peoples lives.

Thats basically out of ignorance.

What I'm saying is society at large, why would they care?

[DinodudeEpic]

Well, I am asexual and aromantic. To be honest, there isn't that much discrimination, except for those 'Family-Values' people who say that not having a family somehow means that life is purposeless. Even then, it isn't discrimination as much as being really stupid and insulting.

It does get occasionally annoying when you hear your father saying "I'm going to get a new kid to actually extend my legacy."

[sithsaber]

According a episode of "House" episode i just watched asexuality is a curable condition


just sayin:thumbup:

[Agent Ducky]

According a episode of "House" episode i just watched asexuality is a curable condition


just sayin:thumbup:

That irritates me a little bit. How did they go about "curing" this???

[DinodudeEpic]

That irritates me a little bit. How did they go about "curing" this???

For males: Skyscraper-sized breasts

For females: Penises the size of Texas

Problem solved

:laugh:

Of course, I'm joking.

[sithsaber]

That irritates me a little bit. How did they go about "curing" this???

There was a tumor growing in the brain blocking testosterone development.
I think
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thum bup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:: thumbup::thumbup:

[9]

That irritates me a little bit. How did they go about "curing" this???

but do they actually know that it isnt a medical condition? Like for example, is it not possible that it could be caused by a hormonal imbalance or something correctable?

[Agent Ducky]

but do they actually know that it isnt a medical condition? Like for example, is it not possible that it could be caused by a hormonal imbalance or something correctable?

I'm not sure. I don't think a whole lot of research has been done on it. I think some people might have a hormonal imbalance while others don't and are still asexual. Although wouldn't something like a hormonal imbalance have other effects? I'm reading about this right now... I guess from what I'm reading that I could possibly have low estrogen levels b/c of low body fat but I honestly don't think that's the case. I think I would've experienced actual problems related to that.
Personally, if it's a "medical condition," as long as it doesn't have any other adverse effects, I don't have a problem with it for myself. I wouldn't necessarily pursue correction for that unless there was some other medical reason.
But maybe it's not. Maybe it's as much of a "condition" as other sexual orientations are? I'm not gonna make a judgement. Condition or not, people should accept others for who they are.

[Ostrinski]

let's just let people be goddamn

[9]

Condition or not, people should accept others for who they are.

I agree completely. And if people are happy that way, then more power to them. I was just curious.

[9]

But also, I gotta wonder... you are pretty young. sixteen, right? Is it not possible that you are just a late bloomer? Sorry if the question seems offensive. I dont mean it to be.

[Agent Ducky]

But this is it. Until something proves that this is some sort of "condition," I don't want to be treated like that.
You say "asexuals don't want anything, so shut up." But this is what we want. We want people to stop telling us that we have a problem, to stop telling us we have a condition.

I'm just curious as to if someone had asked if transgender people had a "medical condition" on here... would that be okay?
Does it matter if we have a condition? .... Shit like a lot of stuff that's been said in this thread are the reason some asexual people are speaking out. Because we're sick of being told there's something wrong. Sick of being told we don't exist. Sick of being told to shut up because other people have bigger problems. Maybe you don't count that as "discrimination" but whatever the fuck you call it, it's shitty and nobody should have to have all of this brought into question.

[Agent Ducky]

But also, I gotta wonder... you are pretty young. sixteen, right? Is it not possible that you are just a late bloomer? Sorry if the question seems offensive. I dont mean it to be.

Oh, it's okay. And I get this. I might. I've accepted that. But then, maybe not. All I know is that's how I am as of right now. It's just been weird watching everyone around me being interested in sex and stuff and for the longest time I was just waiting to see if the same thing would happen. But it never did. That could change, I guess. I know that I'm still young. But right now it sure as hell seems like I'm not going there.

Sorry if I got ragey in my last post. :/ I just... I guess I expected not to see some of this stuff from Revleft.

[9]

But this is it. Until something proves that this is some sort of "condition," I don't want to be treated like that.
I don't know whether this is intended as a response to my comment, but I wasn't treating you like anything, to be honest, I was merely asking a question. I readily admit that I am ignorant about the subject as, like I said at the beginning of the thread, I have never even heard of this phenomenon outside of revleft, and to be frank, I don't think many people have..

I don't think it is that strange, if someone has a trait that is immensely uncommon and that most people don't have any experience with, that people would be curious, and would ask questions.

[Agent Ducky]

I don't know whether this is intended as a response to my comment, but I wasn't treating you like anything, to be honest, I was merely asking a question. I readily admit that I am ignorant about the subject as, like I said at the beginning of the thread, I have never even heard of this phenomenon outside of revleft, and to be frank, I don't think many people have..

I don't think it is that strange, if someone has a trait that is immensely uncommon and that most people don't have any experience with, that people would be curious, and would ask questions.

Oh, no, it wasn't directed at you. You're fine.

And I get that people would ask questions. I get it. But when people take it too far and start making statements instead of asking questions, it gets into bad territory. I didn't mean to lash out at anyone. I'm just a little bit frustrated.

[Luís Henrique]

I don't know whether this is intended as a response to my comment, but I wasn't treating you like anything, to be honest, I was merely asking a question.

Asking questions? How dare you?!


I readily admit that I am ignorant about the subject as, like I said at the beginning of the thread, I have never even heard of this phenomenon outside of revleft, and to be frank, I don't think many people have..

Indeed, the demographics of revleft are extremely unrepresentative of the actual world.


I don't think it is that strange, if someone has a trait that is immensely uncommon and that most people don't have any experience with, that people would be curious, and would ask questions.

It doesn't work like that. They want to tell you that they are, hm, let's say, "undismorphoplesiotypical" and for you to not bat an eyelid, else you are "predudiced" against the very oppressed minority of undismorphoplesiotypical people.

Luís Henrique

[Kronsteen]

The notion of asexuality seems quite clear to me.

There are heterosexuals, who're attracted to the opposite gender, but are indifferent to their own. A het man isn't repulsed by the idea of two men kissing - unless he's a cretin, of course. He'd just indifferent, or maybe slightly baffled, as he would be by the idea of a man kissing a lamp post.

Then there are homosexuals who have the opposite pattern of attraction and indifference. And bisexuals, who like both.

So what's the missing forth possibility? People who're indifferent to both. Exactly why anyone should be made uncomfortable by the idea of indifference, I'm not sure, but evidently some are.

The difficulty comes in differentiating those who actually are asexual...from those who just want to be, because their experiences have turned them off sex.

[Agent Ducky]

It doesn't work like that. They want to tell you that they are, hm, let's say, "undismorphoplesiotypical" and for you to not bat an eyelid, else you are "predudiced" against the very oppressed minority of undismorphoplesiotypical people.

Luís Henrique

Who are "they"? What is this analogy supposed to accomplish?
Who in this thread said it's not okay to ask questions?
:confused:

[Genghis]

Old people are asexual - The simply lose interest in sex.

[bcbm]

thats not really true, plenty of old people have sex lives

[Os Cangaceiros]

http://www.newser.com/story/116720/stds-soar-among-seniors.html :closedeyes:

[Night Ripper]

Who in this thread said it's not okay to ask questions?

The OP implied that the questions on that list are bigoted.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

the invisibility of asexuals is more because there are so few asexual people, and asexuals have not been deprived of rights based on their (lack of) sexuality.

The fact that asexuality is atypical in humans would make it even more likely that such an orientation would not sit well with cultural conventions, no?

Also, am I correct in understanding your meaning to be that if social disapproval/ostracism of a social minority does not extend to the state getting involved, then that is some kind of test, threshold or qualifying character of whether the social minority under consideration deserves recognition of some unspecified kind?