taking 10% of a record contract

[cubist]

i think this deserves a seperate thread to allow the welcome back CS to die now he is back

ComradeRobertRiley, debora aro,
Sorry

it wasn't a dig at any ethics it was just a bit of irony (the thought of someone being a member of a commie club taking money for someone else's genius is very capitalist thus ironic)

do i need experience in music to be funny??

do you have any experience in humour it doesn't appear so are you american???

yes i do give money to charity i also help out for a chairty my parents are involved in for orphans in the ukraine many of which suffer from ailments due to radioactive levels in the main water supply.

[canikickit]

the thought of someone being a member of a commie club taking money for someone else's genius is very capitalist thus ironic

The money is not taken "for someone else's genius", it is taken for Debora's genius in securing the artist's livelyhood by means of negotiations with the record company.

[cubist]

i don't refute that but it is still a capitalist standard, and thus ironic are you american too?? anyone here understand irony

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 05:14 PM

the thought of someone being a member of a commie club taking money for someone else's genius is very capitalist thus ironic

The money is not taken "for someone else's genius", it is taken for Debora's genius in securing the artist's livelyhood by means of negotiations with the record company.
Thank you, Canikickit. Tho there is no genious in what I do. Alot of diplomacy, hard work, negotiation skills. Just think of how useful I will be in the revolution!

I have been blessed (or what ever you want to call it) to have been put in the position I am in. I have about 10 AIDS patients I am still in contact with from when I was a social worker 5 years ago. I spend alot of time with them as "friends". I am also in the position to help them financially if they havent the money for food, or medication, or even rent.

I accept your apology, cephas. But dont try to act like you were joking. There was no indication (by saying, just kidding) or whatever! If you are truly sorry, then next time, how just keeping your comments to yourself? Because in your apology you are still calling me names.

By the way just out of curiousity. How old are you? IS mommie and daddy still supporting you? Because I have 4 children I am supporting.

Oh to walk in my shoes for one day! Bet you come off your high horse then!

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 05:37 PM
i don't refute that but it is still a capitalist standard, and thus ironic are you american too?? anyone here understand irony
Hummm, how bout slinging that pile of crap at Zack De Rocha. He is on a much bigger level than I am, but supports the ideals of socialism/comminism by working within Capitalistist society.

What would you prefer us do, go live in the Ukraine?? Sorry I have my hands full getting the message out right where I am. :rolleyes:

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Debora [email protected] 26 2003, 05:45 PM
Hummm, how bout slinging that pile of crap at Zack De Rocha. He is on a much bigger level than I am, but supports the ideals of socialism/comminism by working within Capitalistist society.



EXCELLENT point Deborah! I highly doubt Zack is living in a small house surrounded by orphans of war. ;)

I guess the way it works in this industry is you need the musician and the musician needs you. I don't think anyone is TAKING from anyone else, rather utilizing the tools, expertise, knowledge and talents (both from the musician AND the promoter). Guys, you may not like it, but bills still need to be paid! ;)

[canikickit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 05:37 PM
i don't refute that but it is still a capitalist standard, and thus ironic are you american too?? anyone here understand irony
No, I'm not from the US. I do understand irony. What you said wasn't ironic.

"I don't refute that..."

You tried to!
Do you actually think no members of the commie club have jobs?

[cubist]

debora it was a joke i know you can't see it, i apologise for assuming you did see it. if it wasn't a joke i wouldn't apologise

i don't need to speak to zack de la rocha, he knows what he is doing, and unlike you i know what he has done in terms of good things for the world i don't know you to judge. you of all people should know being in the business the bigger the label the easier to distribute your work.

i don't want to wear your shoes, the music industry makes me sick

canikickit

the more time i spend here the more i hate you all, i love socialism i love the communist ideology but you do the communist movement no favours that goes for the majority of you i will probs get restricted for writing this but i don't mind

obviously you have to work, most of you commies will live in a capitalist country and depend upon things that you claim to hate in words on here. thats why it is IRONIC i am too part of this irony which is why i said it as a joke,

i don't give a fuck what you all think actually i tried to apologise for saying something people didn't find funny, but why should i you closed minded fuckers talk down to anyone you want with out hesitation.

[canikickit]

No, it's still not ironic. Maybe it will be next time you say it.

Where's the irony?
Someone has a job and they advoacte an end to wage slavery? That's not ironic.

Fair enough if you hate most people here, I don't mind. I don't see why you reached the conclusion that I "do the communist movement no favours". Surely it takes more than criticism of your definition of "irony" to destroy the communist movement.

You're pretty ridiculous.

[cubist]

Some one who believes in communism hates capitalism but survives becuase of capitalism i don't know what dictionary you use buts that pretty ironic to me.

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 08:28 PM
Some one who believes in communism hates capitalism but survives becuase of capitalism i don't know what dictionary you use buts that pretty ironic to me.

quote by me I accept your apology, cephas.

Why do you keep going on and on? I accepted your apology. It is possible to be in a capalistic society and be a socialist.
Let me tell you a little story. Once upon a time there was a girl named Debbie. She lost some very dear friends to AIDS. So she and 3 gay men started a local group called ACT-UP. As members of this group, we fought for the rights of those dying of AIDS (and at that time ppl died of AIDS, they didnt live with AIDS like today, and theres a reason for that)

This group of 4 ppl spread the word of the way the system treated PWAs. We grew in number. We commited , some civil disobedent crimes, lobbied at state level, petitioned the Dept of Hospitals, wrote grants, until 2 years later we were heard. I actually have a FBI file as a threat to the US government. For years my phone was tapped!

Now in my 9 parish region, there is a government resource center where these ppl can receive help AND the most important part, a clinic of their own, where they dont have to sit for hours with other patients who are sick therefore contagious.

During this point, I realized it was my life calling to work with PWAs. I wanted to work hands on, so I went to school, got a social workers degree and accomplished my dreams. My comrades actually sounded alot like you cephas, "You are going to work for government money? You sell out! Blah blah blah"

Know what happened tho? I was there for those 56 ppl whose funeral I went to. I was there to help that 12 year old boy pick out his mothers casket. I was there to tell that 15 year old mother her baby was born with AIDS...............I was there. It was the most rewarding thing I will ever do with my life.

My point??? I did more good within the system than I ever could have done by standing outside of it, chaining myself to pharmacutical doors in protest. It IS possible to cause change in the system.

Do you see the irony in that, cephas?

Like I said, I accept your apology. Please just dont tell ppl you dont know they should give up their wages when you dont know what they do with them. If you have a problem with someone, why dont you try the PM?
One more thing, in debate or argument, the minute you resort to name calling? You have lost the debate AND the attention of your opponent.

Now, shall we call it a truce? :D

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Im not a yankee, and dont insinuate that i am one. Im English and not proud of it!

[Urban Rubble]

Sorry for jumping in, I want to add one thing.

I don't agree at all with what cephas is saying, he seems like a pretty big dick, but I do agree that being a Socialist in a Capitalist society is a bit ironic. Not overtly so.

Here's a good quote from a Propagandhi song:


And yes, I recognize the irony
The system I oppose affords me the luxury
Of biting the hand that feeds
That's exactly why priviledged fucks like me
Should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream
Until everyone has everything they need

He's saying it's ironic that the Capitalist system gives him the luxury to spread his views to everyone.

Anyway, fuck off cephas, but I do think there is a bit of irony in the situation.

[Guest1]

I agree with urban that the irony is "the capitalist will sell you the noose to hang him by".

as for you cephas, the music industry should make you sick. Big record labels rip off artists and inflate cd prices, sue downloaders and sharers of mp3's and just generally stifle music. That's why Debora is doing something heroic actually. she's there to yell at the labels, and try to get as much of that money back to the artist who deserves it as possible, instead of into the pockets of the bllionaires attempting to kill the internet. At the same time, she tries to keep creative control with the artists, especially now with labels wanting more of this everyday crap, pressure lands on artists to comply.Think of Debora as a union rep for the tiny artist, up against the high-powered lawyers of the record label.

I for one am proud of her (feels weird to be proud of someone more experienced than me :P). Rock on Debora!

[Le Libérer]

Well thank you all. I certainly wasnt expecting that! :D

I did negotiate for a band out of a small La town and got them a deal recently. Thing is, record companies want all the glory while we do all the work! They throw us a bit of cash, and thats when all the work begins! Its up to us to produce or the contract becomes null and void.

The way an artist makes money is to tour. Thats where I come in. I also book and do publicist work. In other words, when you hear, "And a spokeman for Choke said......" Thats me! :-D

And beleive me, theres not much money in what I do ( at least at my level, how many unsigned bands do you think live in mansions and are whisked around in limos?) I dont work for big names any more. ( the personalities is what I hate about the business) I have been focusing on unsigned bands. Theres something wonderful about the climb. Once on top of that mountain, it just aint that rewarding!

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 27 2003, 06:50 AM
I agree with urban that the irony is "the capitalist will sell you the noose to hang him by".


Just like the Soviets always said about america! And THAT I agree as well!!....Oh no!! What's happening to me????!!!! :(

[cubist]

deboro

no probs i don't particualrly care,

it wasn't directed as it sounds but hey it doesn't matter nothing bad has really come from it.

i wasn't ever having a dig on a serious level it's not my business, i am glad you are one of those people who cares for the artists if i had a true problem you would have heard about it through a little more than a quick"one liner" i can assure you i may appear an asshole but i

as for the rest of ya fuckers so what if i am a dick you will change your minds in time when i have posted a bit more and you find out more about me and my messy yet meaningfull line of thought,

again i am sorry that something i saw as so little got so silly, nemind

propergandhi top band we like that.

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 12:07 PM

i am glad you are one of those people who cares for the artists if i had a true problem you would have heard about it through a little more than a quick"one liner"
Sometimes I think we forget we are on the same side here. If one keeps that in mind, half the silly pettiness disappears!

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Debora [email protected] 27 2003, 06:32 PM
Sometimes I think we forget we are on the same side here. If one keeps that in mind, half the silly pettiness disappears!
Thats with every side, but the diff here is that we are honest and in that you can't find on the other sides ...

[Le Libérer]

Awwyou guys....group hug? ;)