Shocking video in Libya

[Arlekino]

Libyan rebels cage black Africans in Zoo forced to feed flags.
Is warning quite disturbing.
http://rt.com/news/libya-rebels-torture-africans-679/

[PhoenixAsh]

Yes...this comes in the middle of growing number of reports of increasing violent racism against dark skinned people in Lybia and non-Libyans from southern descent.

These people were accused of being mercenaries for GHadaffi

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Yes...this comes in the middle of growing number of reports of increasing violent racism against dark skinned people in Lybia and non-Libyans from southern descent.

These people were accused of being mercenaries for GHadaffi

The mercenaries already went back to Mali or went south with Saadi G into Niger. Naturally, at this point most or all of the people being accused of being mercenaries are only migrant workers. And even if they were mercenaries, then they deserve to be treated like prisoners of war, not animals. Stories like this have been happening for a while and there were similar stories in Bahrain where migrant Sunni workers were lynched in revenge of the violence by Shiite protesters, and the same is probably happening in Syria to the Alawites.

Some militias in Libya seem to be responsible for more of the racist crimes than others, like the militia from Misratah which victimized the immigrant town of Tawergha. I wonder when/where this video was taken.

[PhoenixAsh]

The mercenaries already went back to Mali or went south with Saadi G into Niger. Naturally, at this point most or all of the people being accused of being mercenaries are only migrant workers. And even if they were mercenaries, then they deserve to be treated like prisoners of war, not animals. Stories like this have been happening for a while and there were similar stories in Bahrain where migrant Sunni workers were lynched in revenge of the violence by Shiite protesters, and the same is probably happening in Syria to the Alawites.

Just in case you got me wrong....wasn't defending it.

Just stating the facts as they are.

Some factions of the "rebels" (like it ever was a coherent entity :rolleyes: ) are rounding up people based on bias and racial stereotype. I even wonder how many actual mercenaries there were.

[Fennec]

Extremely disturbing but not surprising. I referred (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2368653&postcount=54) to this video in a post a week ago:


That's why you have NATO rebels putting blacks in Tripoli zoo cages and forcing them to eat green flags.

[The Cheshire Cat]

Most of the mercenaries hired by Gadaffi weren't mercenaries. Gadaffi had supported some tribes in I believe Mali once in a war. The tribes he supported were expelled from their country and Gadaffi gave them a place amongst the Libyan people. After a couple of years, these tribes went back to the countries of origin.

When the conflict of Libya started, those tribes returned to Libya to support Gadaffi, as they owed their lives to him.

Just read the official report from the African Union.

[Ocean Seal]

The rebels are disgusting and so are their "leftist" apologists.

[bcbm]

The rebels are disgusting and so are their "leftist" apologists.

all bourgeois parties are disgusting and so are their 'leftist' apologists

[Ocean Seal]

all bourgeois parties are disgusting and so are their 'leftist' apologists
I happen to be grateful when a racist genocidal party of the bourgeoisie is defeated, and not so happy when one of them takes power. But maybe that's just me not being sufficiently educated in leftist theory.

[Decolonize The Left]

I happen to be grateful when a racist genocidal party of the bourgeoisie is defeated, and not so happy when one of them takes power. But maybe that's just me not being sufficiently educated in leftist theory.

All bcbm was saying is that of course this is despicable and of course this party is to be opposed, but not because of the fact that they tortured some people (all bourgeois parties do this) but because they are parties of the capitalist state and hence their interests are diametrically opposed to our own.

- August

[Agathor]

The rebels are disgusting and so are their "leftist" apologists.

You don't have a fucking clue about what's happening in Libya. The rebels are not a centralized entity; they are many different militias with their own leaders and tribal affiliations, briefly united under an anti-Gadaffi banner, and now largely pursuing their own agendas. All of the racist violence has come from some of the Misratan militias (there are 150 militias in Misrata alone). Many of the refugees running from the Misratan militias were aided and protected by militias from Tripoli.

You're just desperate to fit this conflict into your dogmatic anti-western complex.

[l'Enfermé]

You don't have a fucking clue about what's happening in Libya. The rebels are not a centralized entity; they are many different militias with their own leaders and tribal affiliations, briefly united under an anti-Gadaffi banner, and now largely pursuing their own agendas. All of the racist violence has come from some of the Misratan militias (there are 150 militias in Misrata alone). Many of the refugees running from the Misratan militias were aided and protected by militias from Tripoli.

You're just desperate to fit this conflict into your dogmatic anti-western complex.
Reports of racist violence, since the start of the conflict in Libya, has come from all over the country, and not just from Misrata alone, unless you're saying that Misratan militias are running around Libya lynching blacks without any support from non-Misratan militias.

[Krano]

I soo this video on RT and i was told by others that it was a Jewish conspiracy, but then again what isn't these days :lol:

[GoddessCleoLover]

Sad to see anti-Semitism is on the rise.

[seventeethdecember2016]

I've been saying these things for months. Gaddafi had allowed black refugees come from poor African nations into his nation because of his Pan-African beliefs. Now the Fascist bands are going to get them out due to their Libyan Nationalism.

The Libyan 'Revolution' was actually a Western funded Reactionary Civil War. It seems the Western Nations are adopting some type of pseudo-Revolutionary policies for unfriendly neighbors. Otpor! has confirmed that the US has been funding them for years, so these things are no more than Strategical gains for the West.

R.I.P Gaddafi
Assad must stay!

[Agathor]

I've been saying these things for months. Gaddafi had allowed black refugees come from poor African nations into his nation because of his Pan-African beliefs. Now the Fascist bands are going to get them out due to their Libyan Nationalism.

The Libyan 'Revolution' was actually a Western funded Reactionary Civil War. It seems the Western Nations are adopting some type of pseudo-Revolutionary policies for unfriendly neighbors. Otpor! has confirmed that the US has been funding them for years, so these things are no more than Strategical gains for the West.

R.I.P Gaddafi
Assad must stay!
Upside of the Arab Spring: watching leftists make idiots out of themselves trying to jam the events into their dogmatic Hollywood worldview.

[GoddessCleoLover]

The fate of those Black Africans is tragic, and all progressive persons ought to demand that they be treated like human beings. Nonetheless, IMO Gaddafi misruled Libya for decades and would have committed even greater horrors had his forces taken Benghazi. The difference being that Gaddafi's forces would not allowed their butcheries to have been captured on video.

[Rafiq]

You don't have a fucking clue about what's happening in Libya. The rebels are not a centralized entity; they are many different militias with their own leaders and tribal affiliations, briefly united under an anti-Gadaffi banner, and now largely pursuing their own agendas. All of the racist violence has come from some of the Misratan militias (there are 150 militias in Misrata alone). Many of the refugees running from the Misratan militias were aided and protected by militias from Tripoli.

You're just desperate to fit this conflict into your dogmatic anti-western complex.

And quite evidently, the so-called "Misraton Rebels" are the ones in control, the ones being armed by Imperialism. They are the centralized authority in the organized reaction, the "Progressive Liberals" are mere lapdogs for western cameras.

[GoddessCleoLover]

Perhaps BOTH these "rebels" and the Gaddafi forces were fundamentally reactionary forces? Nonetheless, IMO Gaddafi plotted a bloodbath in Cyrenaica generally and Benghazi in particular.

[Ocean Seal]

Upside of the Arab Spring: watching leftists make idiots out of themselves trying to jam the events into their dogmatic Hollywood worldview.
Downside, unfortunately seeing some leftists support racism and imperialism because "Qaddafi was a terrible dictator".

[Ostrinski]

Political crises are viewed by some as a football game, I see. Why leftists choose to take sides in developments that don't involve the class struggle idk.

[Homo Songun]

Political crises are viewed by some as a football game, I see. Why leftists choose to take sides in developments that don't involve the class struggle idk.

To the contrary, current middle east events are the most acute manifestation of the struggle of the big ruling classes for hegemony at the moment.

Some people will just never learn that imperialism is the main contradiction in the world today. Reap the whirlwind, friends.

[Omsk]

I never understood why people have so much debates around Libya?Everything seems pretty clear to me.

Gaddafi - not even close to being a socialist,not proggresive,he funded some conflicts,and i don't understand anti-revisionist who 'support' him - He was a good 'friend' with Tito,comrades.

Rebels - (NTC and various groups) NATO/US/EU as their main ally,islamists,rascists,certainly not progressive.Ect ect.I mean,watch the video posted.

Third party - ???

Communists/Socialists - ??? (Because there was no proper education in Libya about such subjects,or literature,primely because Gaddafi was no socialist/progressive.)

It's a tragedy,intrinsically.

[Homo Songun]

Libya is not a fucking tragedy. That would imply some unavoidable act of nature or fate. What is happening to Libya is ongoing criminal aggression and racist violence. To be followed by prolonged economic looting no doubt. There is nothing unavoidable about it.

[l'Enfermé]

Libya is not a fucking tragedy. That would imply some unavoidable act of nature or fate. What is happening to Libya is ongoing criminal aggression and racist violence. To be followed by prolonged economic looting no doubt. There is nothing unavoidable about it.
Followed by economic looting? More than already? The economy of Libya has been destroyed and the lifeline of the Libyan people, the oil, was already sold to western imperialists. Everything has already been looted.

[seventeethdecember2016]

Upside of the Arab Spring: watching leftists make idiots out of themselves trying to jam the events into their dogmatic Hollywood worldview.
Downside of Arab Spring: Millions of people losing their livelihoods while a minority of aggressive Reactionists destroy stability across the non-Western Friendly Middle East.
Oh, and a bunch of naive Center-Lefties alienating and ridiculing anyone that supports the governments in power.

Stabilization > Uncertainty

[Omsk]

Libya is not a fucking tragedy. That would imply some unavoidable act of nature or fate. What is happening to Libya is ongoing criminal aggression and racist violence. To be followed by prolonged economic looting no doubt. There is nothing unavoidable about it.


While i may have expressed myself in the wrong way,but what i tried to say is that the situation in Libya is an direct outgrowth of the economical organization and the mode of production,which was,as we know and agree,not socialist.

While maybe not unavoidable,the situation is certainly something not surprising.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

It's wrong to paint Gaddafi as a progressive, but it seems just as wrong to pretend that workers aren't worse off under the NATO puppets. The possibility that some of the militias are going to turn out to be progressives seems like a serious delusion at this point. This may have started as a part of the Arab Spring but it ended with regular old Imperialism.

[seventeethdecember2016]

The events in the middle east aren't supported by the majority of people. We see minorities of 20-30% of the population siding with these rebels. The only legitimacy these pseudo-democratic movements have is whatever the West identifies them to have. Assad is not butchering his people, he is putting down rebels who are a danger to the stability of Syria. Any murderings of children and unarmed people are from the self-righteous acts of a few individual soldiers. Get off Assad's back already!

To all of you who will continue to attack Assad for how he is handling this uprising, please write a guide on how to stop uprisings(giving up is not an option). I'm really interested in knowing how you naive lefties would do so.

As for the US, I expect them to cede power, in the future, to the revolution that will enevidably come. Seeing the rhetoric they've used against Gaddafi and Assad, they've more than condemned themselves.

[Ostrinski]

I don't even think manic expression supports the Assad regime anymore, I think you're like the only one left on the board.

[seventeethdecember2016]

I don't even think manic expression supports the Assad regime anymore, I think you're like the only one left on the board.
Yes that's right. Only I and the majority of the Syrian population support the Assad regime. I guess the Syrian people don't count though, at least in your mind.

I will support Assad, even though he has a bourgeois tendency, and I will continue to do so until a FAR-LEFT Revolution starts.

[robbo203]

Downside, unfortunately seeing some leftists support racism and imperialism because "Qaddafi was a terrible dictator".


Your logic is absurd. Why is it not possible to have opposed the Gaddafi regime AND the rebel forces/western imperialist intervention? How does saying "Qaddafi was a terrible dictator" - which he was - translate into supporting "rascism and imperialism"?

[Grenzer]

Downside, unfortunately seeing some leftists support racism and imperialism because "Qaddafi was a terrible dictator".

Good to see that the old dogmatic "anti-imperialism" in the name of supporting the anti-Western bloc of imperialists is still alive and well.

Obviously, supporting the Western intervention or the NTC is supporting Western imperialism, but supporting Gaddafi is not any better. This goes without saying. However, it is also no mystery that Gaddafi was nominally a part of the anti-Western bloc of imperialists which includes Russia and China, and their cronies such as Syria, North Korea, and Iran. Your pro-imperialist anti-western dogma is a relic of the twentieth century. To support Gaddafi is to directly support the imperialist ambitions of China and Russia, which is just as bad as supporting American imperialism.

The most prudent and logical choice is to condemn both factions.

[robbo203]

Good to see that the old dogmatic "anti-imperialism" in the name of supporting the anti-Western bloc of imperialists is still alive and well.

Obviously, supporting the Western intervention or the NTC is supporting Western imperialism, but supporting Gaddafi is not any better. This goes without saying. However, it is also no mystery that Gaddafi was nominally a part of the anti-Western bloc of imperialists which includes Russia and China, and their cronies such as Syria, North Korea, and Iran. Your pro-imperialist anti-western dogma is a relic of the twentieth century. To support Gaddafi is to directly support the imperialist ambitions of China and Russia, which is just as bad as supporting American imperialism.

The most prudent and logical choice is to condemn both factions.

And just to add to that, it should be noted that the Libyan regime was itself a minor imperialist power with considerable sums of capital officially invested abroad in both the developing and developed world. Dont quote me but i believe, if my memort serves me correctly, the total amount of sovereign wealth invested abroad came to abouit 80 billion US dollars

[Amal]

The rebels, as I have heard and seen on TV, want to enforce Shariat law in Libya and allowing more than one marriage. How worse Gaddafi was than those feudal bastards? I am pretty sure, that without air and other kind of support from imperialists, those "fighters" will be ousted from even Benghazi.
Actually, I can not understand those "leftists" whose hate for Gaddafi is so staunch that such feudal imperialism supported scoundrels were welcomed by them. By that standard, probably Bin Laden was also a good "freedom fighter".

[danyboy27]

Yes that's right. Only I and the majority of the Syrian population support the Assad regime. I guess the Syrian people don't count though, at least in your mind.

I will support Assad, even though he has a bourgeois tendency, and I will continue to do so until a FAR-LEFT Revolution starts.

anti-imperialism FTW!
http://www.france24.com/en/20110423-sniper-kills-at-least-three-at-protesters-funerals